Serbian Church glorifies Father Justin Popovic, Father Simeon of Dajbabe

[Irish Hermit]

Christ is Risen!

Serbian Church glorifies Father Justin Popovic, Father Simeon of Dajbabe

The Holy Assembly of Bishops of the Serbian Orthodox Church has 
released this communiqué:

At its afternoon session on April 29 of this year, the Holy Assembly 
of Bishops of the Serbian Orthodox Church unanimously adopted the 
recommendations of the responsible diocesan bishops and added to the 
diptychs of the saints of the Orthodox Church the names of   
Archimandrite Justin Popovic spiritual father of the Chelije Monastery 
near Valjevo of blessed memory (1894-1979), hereafter known as our 
Venerable Father Justin of Chelije, and Simeon Popovic, abbot of the 
Dajbabe Monastery near Podgorica (1854-1941), hereafter known as our 
Venerable Father Simeon of Dajbabe.

The liturgical commemoration of our Venerable Father Justin will be on 
June 1 on the old calendar (June 14 according to the new calendar), 
and the commemoration of our Venerable Father Simeon will be 
celebrated on March 19 on the old calendar (April 1 o the new calendar).

The festal glorification of these newly-canonized God-pleasing ones 
will take place at the Holy Hierarchical Liturgy of the Holy Assembly 
of Bishops next Sunday, May 2, at St. Sava Church on Vracar in 
Belgrade, beginning at 9:00 AM.

O our Venerable and God-bearing Fathers Justin and Simeon, pray to God 
for us!

[Andrew21091]

Glory to God!

O Holy Saints Justin of Chelije and Simeon of Dajbabe pray to God for us!

[Michał Kalina]

Asteriktos now has the true patron Saint

[Michał Kalina]

Some source state that St. Justin was canonised in 1993. Can anyone explain this?

[Asteriktos]

     This is good news indeed!

Some source state that St. Justin was canonised in 1993. Can anyone explain this?

I know that "local veneration" or something along those lines had been approved previously, perhaps that is what was meant?

[SolEX01]

Lord have Mercy.

[Punch]

Glory to God!  Father Justin and Father Simeon pray for us.

[Altar Server]

Venerable Holy Fathers Saints Justin of Chelije and Simeon of Dajbabe  Pray to God for us that He May Save our Souls!

[Alveus Lacuna]

The liturgical commemoration of our Venerable Father Justin will be on 
June 1 on the old calendar (June 14 according to the new calendar), 
and the commemoration of our Venerable Father Simeon will be 
celebrated on March 19 on the old calendar (April 1 o the new calendar).

What does this mean? What is the official date on the calendar, old or new (i.e. what is the liturgical date)? I would assume it's universally June 14th and April 1st, and the journalist simply meant when the days fall on the civil calendar for the Old Calendar dates.

[PeterTheAleut]

The liturgical commemoration of our Venerable Father Justin will be on  
June 1 on the old calendar (June 14 according to the new calendar),  
and the commemoration of our Venerable Father Simeon will be  
celebrated on March 19 on the old calendar (April 1 o the new calendar).

What does this mean? What is the official date on the calendar, old or new (i.e. what is the liturgical date)? I would assume it's universally June 14th and April 1st, and the journalist simply meant when the days fall on the civil calendar for the Old Calendar dates.

No, all Orthodox will, until 2100, commemorate each of these two saints on the same day, just like we do Pascha.  It's just that the date will be reckoned, for the example of St. Justin, as June 1 on the Old Calendar and as June 14 on the New.  (We do the same for any other saint glorified since the calendar reforms of the 1920's--e.g., St. John Maximovitch, who died in 1966.)  This is not like our commemoration of saints preceding the 20th century, whom we commemorate on the same calendar date, such that those who follow the Old Calendar will commemorate them 13 days after those on the New.

[Alveus Lacuna]

No, all Orthodox will, until 2100, commemorate each of these two saints on the same day, just like we do Pascha.  It's just that the date will be reckoned, for the example of St. Justin, as June 1 on the Old Calendar and as June 14 on the New.  (We do the same for any other saint glorified since the calendar reforms of the 1920's--e.g., St. John Maximovitch, who died in 1966.)  This is not like our commemoration of saints preceding the 20th century, whom we commemorate on the same calendar date, such that those who follow the Old Calendar will commemorate them 13 days after those on the New.

What a strange way of doing it. How will the calendar issue be resolved with more drifts like this? Now saints are getting two different dates on two different calendars? We need to resolve this as a church.

[Iconodule]

Glory to God! St. Justin, pray for us.

[Irish Hermit]

Can anybody share with us information about the new Saint Simeon of Dajbabe?  I'd like to learn about him.

[PeterTheAleut]

No, all Orthodox will, until 2100, commemorate each of these two saints on the same day, just like we do Pascha.  It's just that the date will be reckoned, for the example of St. Justin, as June 1 on the Old Calendar and as June 14 on the New.  (We do the same for any other saint glorified since the calendar reforms of the 1920's--e.g., St. John Maximovitch, who died in 1966.)  This is not like our commemoration of saints preceding the 20th century, whom we commemorate on the same calendar date, such that those who follow the Old Calendar will commemorate them 13 days after those on the New.

What a strange way of doing it. How will the calendar issue be resolved with more drifts like this? Now saints are getting two different dates on two different calendars? We need to resolve this as a church.

But let's not pollute this wonderful thread with what is certain to be a rancorous debate.

Glory be to God, who art wondrous in His saints!

[serb1389]

Can anybody share with us information about the new Saint Simeon of Dajbabe?  I'd like to learn about him.

Žitije Svetog Simeona Dajbabskog Sveti Simeon je rođen 1854. godine na Cetinju, u donjokrajskom bratstvu Popovića kao mali Savo. Osnovno školovanje završio je na Cetinju. obrazuje u Kijevskoj Bogosloviji a potom i u tamošnjoj Duhovnoj akademiji, nadahnjujući se životima i podvizima osnivača i prepodobnih otaca Kijevske Lavre. Godine 1888. vraća se manastiru Svetog Nikole na Vranjini, a godinu dana kasnije i u manastiru Ostrogu,. Ostatak svog života jeromonah Simeon je proveo služeći u novootkrivenom manastiru Dajbabe. Sveti Simeon Dajbabski upokojio se u Gospodu 1. aprila (po Gregorijanskom kalendaru) 1941. godine. Njegove prepodobne mošti su otkrivene na 55. godišnjicu od njegovog upokojenja 1996. godine u manastiru Dajbabe.

http://vesti.aladin.info/2010-04-30/188705-justin-%C4%87elijski-u-diptihu-svetih

[my translation] St. Simeon of Dajbab was born 1854 in Cetinje (Montenegro) in the lower-region brotherhood of Popovic (popovic family) as Sava. He finished his elementary schooling in Cetinje. He then went to the seminary of Kiev, and along with that he participated in the spiritual life of the venerable fathers of the Kiev Lavra. In 1888 he returned to the monstery of St. Nicholas in Vranjina, and a year later he went to the Ostrog monastery. The remainder of his life the hieromonk Simeon served in the newly-revealed monastery Dajbabe. St. Simeon of Dajbabe passed in the Lord the 1st of April (according to the Gregorian Calendar), in the year 1941. His venerable relics were discovered at the 55th anniversary of his passing, in 1996, in the monastery of Dajbabe. (It seems like he was tonsured at the Kievan Caves).  [end my translation]

[Asteriktos]

Thank you for the translation/info 

[serb1389]

Thank you for the translation/info 

You're welcome!  I wish I had time for more research! 

[Asteriktos]

Something else interesting (regarding previous statements that St. Justin was glorified). I was flipping through a St. John of Kronstadt Press catalogue from 2007, and they started describing a book by St. Justin in the words "From the pen of the recently-glorified great theologian of the Serbian Orthodox Church".

[Iconodule]

I'm wondering if he was glorified by some Old Calendarists. St. John of Kronstadt Press is under Metropolitan Agafangel, who leads the section of ROCOR that did not accept the union with the MP and which is now united to the Cyprianites and the Bulgarian and Romanian Old Calendarists.

[Iconodule]

Glory be to God, who art wondrous in His saints!

(Pedant hat on)

The conjugation "art" agrees with the subject "thou." I say this not to pick on Peter, but because I've noticed this same thing in a lot of OCA liturgical texts. For example, the official Divine Liturgy text will say "for He is a good God who lovest mankind." It should be loveth. I'm all for the classical English diction, but let's make sure we do it properly, eh?

[Michał Kalina]

Why did SOC also set dates in revised-Julian calendar?

[serb1389]

Why did SOC also set dates in revised-Julian calendar?

That's just how things are done.  they do it for convenience of those who don't want to do the math. 

[Asteriktos]

Archimandrite Justin Popovic spiritual father of the Chelije Monastery 
near Valjevo of blessed memory (1894-1979), hereafter known as our 
Venerable Father Justin of Chelije,

How do you pronounce Chelije?

[serb1389]

the CH is written thus b/c of english speakers, so it would sound just like "Church"

the "j" is the only hard part.  It has the sound that Y makes in yo-yo, or yes.  so, cheliye would be the phonetic spelling.

[Asteriktos]

the CH is written thus b/c of english speakers, so it would sound just like "Church"

the "j" is the only hard part.  It has the sound that Y makes in yo-yo, or yes.  so, cheliye would be the phonetic spelling.

Many thanks!

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