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The Visible and Invisible Church
« on: April 22, 2010, 03:02:43 AM »
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Inasmuch as the earthly and visible Church is not the fullness and completeness of the whole Church which the Lord has appointed to appear at the final judgment of all creation, she acts and knows only within her own limits; and (according to the words of St. Paul the Apostle, to the Corinthians, I Cor. 5:12) does not judge the rest of mankind, and only looks upon those as excluded, that is to say, not belonging to her, who exclude themselves. The rest of mankind, whether alien from the Church, or united to her by ties which God has not willed to reveal to her, she leaves to the judgment of the great day.

I'm curious about what people think of this quote, specifically the part about people being united to the Church in some unknown way. Is this orthodox belief or no?
"as [you've] informed us that respect chills love, it is natural to conclude that all your pretty flights arise from your pampered sensibility; and that, vain of this fancied preeminence of organs, you foster every emotion till the fumes, mounting to your brain, dispel the sober suggestions of reason. It is not in this view surprising that when you should argue you become impassioned, and that reflection inflames your imagination instead of enlightening your understanding." - Mary Wollstonecraft

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Re: The Visible and Invisible Church
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 06:04:51 PM »
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Inasmuch as the earthly and visible Church is not the fullness and completeness of the whole Church which the Lord has appointed to appear at the final judgment of all creation, she acts and knows only within her own limits; and (according to the words of St. Paul the Apostle, to the Corinthians, I Cor. 5:12) does not judge the rest of mankind, and only looks upon those as excluded, that is to say, not belonging to her, who exclude themselves. The rest of mankind, whether alien from the Church, or united to her by ties which God has not willed to reveal to her, she leaves to the judgment of the great day.

I'm curious about what people think of this quote, specifically the part about people being united to the Church in some unknown way. Is this orthodox belief or no?
Who uttered this quote?
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Re: The Visible and Invisible Church
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 06:44:11 PM »
Who uttered this quote?

I was hoping to get some thoughts on it before anyone knew who said it, but fwiw it was Alexei Khomiakov, in his work The Church is One.
"as [you've] informed us that respect chills love, it is natural to conclude that all your pretty flights arise from your pampered sensibility; and that, vain of this fancied preeminence of organs, you foster every emotion till the fumes, mounting to your brain, dispel the sober suggestions of reason. It is not in this view surprising that when you should argue you become impassioned, and that reflection inflames your imagination instead of enlightening your understanding." - Mary Wollstonecraft

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Re: The Visible and Invisible Church
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 06:46:26 PM »
Who uttered this quote?

I was hoping to get some thoughts on it before anyone knew who said it, but fwiw it was Alexei Khomiakov, in his work The Church is One.
I guess I was just looking for context, since I hate analyzing such quotes apart from the context of the larger works wherein they were written/spoken.
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Re: The Visible and Invisible Church
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 06:54:25 PM »
Who uttered this quote?

I was hoping to get some thoughts on it before anyone knew who said it, but fwiw it was Alexei Khomiakov, in his work The Church is One.
I guess I was just looking for context, since I hate analyzing such quotes apart from the context of the larger works wherein they were written/spoken.

A sensible practice  :) (they need a thumbs up emoticon here). Fwiw, the work is available online. The quote is taken from the section titled "The Visible and Invisible Church".
"as [you've] informed us that respect chills love, it is natural to conclude that all your pretty flights arise from your pampered sensibility; and that, vain of this fancied preeminence of organs, you foster every emotion till the fumes, mounting to your brain, dispel the sober suggestions of reason. It is not in this view surprising that when you should argue you become impassioned, and that reflection inflames your imagination instead of enlightening your understanding." - Mary Wollstonecraft