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Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« on: April 14, 2010, 02:43:29 PM »
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Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 02:51:27 PM »
Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 9, 2010

Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

Full Article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/

THis is new?  Didn't Disney do a movie based on this "mind-bending new theory" 30 years ago? 
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 02:52:13 PM »
Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 9, 2010

Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

Full Article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/

THis is new?  Didn't Disney do a movie based on this "mind-bending new theory" 30 years ago? 
I think what's new is the research and equations on this particular form of the theory.
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 03:33:28 PM »
Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 9, 2010

Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

Full Article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/

I never thought "Men in Black" would be ahead of the scientific curve.  Oh, well. ;)
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 04:32:39 PM »
Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 9, 2010

Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

Full Article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/

I never thought "Men in Black" would be ahead of the scientific curve.  Oh, well. ;)

LOL!  I have notice that many things that are theories now or just science fiction now have come true to a degree.   For example, submarines, computers, rockets, cell phones (not sure if that is a blessing or not), etc.

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 05:28:20 PM »
Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 9, 2010

Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe.

In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

Full Article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/

I never thought "Men in Black" would be ahead of the scientific curve.  Oh, well. ;)

LOL!  I have notice that many things that are theories now or just science fiction now have come true to a degree.   For example, submarines, computers, rockets, cell phones (not sure if that is a blessing or not), etc.
Yes, we often theorize about science years or even decades before we actually have a successful experiment. Science fiction writers pick up on these theories and write as though they are already reality. Other times the science fiction writers are the ones who think, "Wouldn't this be a cool idea?" and then later scientists and engineers say, "Yeah, we could do that." For example, Star Trek's medical tricorder and hypospray were the inspiration for infrared thermometers and jet injectors.
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 07:39:37 PM »
But of course God creating the heavens and the earth is way too farfetched for National Geographic.

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 07:48:48 PM »
But of course God creating the heavens and the earth is way too farfetched for National Geographic.
What makes you say that?  Is National Geographic supposed to be a religious magazine?  I, for one, am very happy that they're not.
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 02:54:49 AM »
"Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe."

Are they implying that instead of looking for white holes, that the universe we're in right now is THE WHITE HOLE, and the black holes that occur are smaller "big bangs" for other smaller universes?
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 03:37:41 AM »
In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.
According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole.
Regardless of what the Disney movie says, I don’t think that a black hole is a gateway to heaven, hell or purgatory or to other universes or even tunnels that lead back to our own universe. There is an idea of John Wheeler that a black hole might have a wormhole inside of it which allows travel like going through a tunnel at a superspeed so that if you went in at one end, you could then end up at some distant place in the universe in a few seconds. This is all based on a mathematical equation derived from General Relativity. Of course there are a few things wrong with it, even though it is true, that it is a mathematical solution. First of all the solution applies to black holes that have no past and extend infinitely into the future so that it would not apply to black holes that are forming in time from stars collapsing. And secondly, the wormhole opens and closes so rapidly that nothing can pass through it, including light.
On the other hand, a black hole can be a one way time machine enabling you to travel into the future. This is because time will slow down in the neighborhood of a black hole. The only problem is that would you really want to go into the future with no way of getting back to where you started from? All your friends would be very old or died off and you would still be young. And there is no way to travel back in time, because that would involve a logical contradiction.

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2010, 01:18:29 PM »
But of course God creating the heavens and the earth is way too farfetched for National Geographic.
How do you think the universes got inside those black holes?
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2010, 02:10:07 PM »
But of course God creating the heavens and the earth is way too farfetched for National Geographic.
What makes you say that?  Is National Geographic supposed to be a religious magazine?  I, for one, am very happy that they're not.
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2010, 07:15:08 PM »
Sort of like some scientists believe that life might have been "seeded" on Earth and that's the explanation of how life began.  Aliens are not too farfetched to believe in but God apparently is, and they will hold onto their nutty theories until they come up with better theories that also exclude God and then parrot them on the discovery channel and other places with a straight face.  This is today's science establishment--trekkies with too much time on their hands.

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2010, 07:37:07 PM »
Sort of like some scientists believe that life might have been "seeded" on Earth and that's the explanation of how life began.  Aliens are not too farfetched to believe in but God apparently is, and they will hold onto their nutty theories until they come up with better theories that also exclude God and then parrot them on the discovery channel and other places with a straight face.  This is today's science establishment--trekkies with too much time on their hands.
It is quite possible that simple single-celled micro-organisms are quite common in the Universe, so an hypothesis such a panspermia is definitely worth investigating.  Though I will admit, it is likely little will come from such research until we begin to further explore the cosmos.  Simulations have shown that an Universe that lacks 'weak interaction' could still produce life, a very strange form of life, but still life.  We know that this Universe has the capability to produce life, who knows what might be out there (might only be single-celled micro-organism, might be much more).  Glad to see contempt for modern science is still alive and strong.
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 07:38:09 PM »
Sort of like some scientists believe that life might have been "seeded" on Earth and that's the explanation of how life began.  Aliens are not too farfetched to believe in but God apparently is, and they will hold onto their nutty theories until they come up with better theories that also exclude God and then parrot them on the discovery channel and other places with a straight face.  This is today's science establishment--trekkies with too much time on their hands.
Certainly scientists are permitted to hold to their own outlandish speculations of how something or another happened, since scientists are people, too.  But not everything a scientist says can truly be called science.  (Just curious...  Does your anti-science vitriol indicate that your faith is so weak that you have to resort to such base ad hominem to destroy the work of the scientific community and thereby make your faith look sound in the process?  I don't know about you, but I think a faith that weak not worth professing.)

Personally, I find the idea that our universe may have been created by the explosion of a white hole pure speculation and not even worthy of the title "theory"--maybe a hypothesis worthy of testing, but certainly not a theory, since true scientific theory must have passed the scrutiny of extensive testing and peer review and been found somewhat reliable before it can be classed a theory--but such speculation is often the seed for testable hypotheses.  I'm actually interested to see if our scientists can find a way to test their hypotheses of what actually happens inside a black hole, especially considering the overwhelming obstacles (i.e., the fact that not even light can escape the intense gravitational pull of a black hole once locked inside).
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 07:52:12 AM »
Sort of like some scientists believe that life might have been "seeded" on Earth and that's the explanation of how life began.  Aliens are not too farfetched to believe in but God apparently is, and they will hold onto their nutty theories until they come up with better theories that also exclude God and then parrot them on the discovery channel and other places with a straight face.  This is today's science establishment--trekkies with too much time on their hands.
Certainly scientists are permitted to hold to their own outlandish speculations of how something or another happened, since scientists are people, too.  But not everything a scientist says can truly be called science.  (Just curious...  Does your anti-science vitriol indicate that your faith is so weak that you have to resort to such base ad hominem to destroy the work of the scientific community and thereby make your faith look sound in the process?  I don't know about you, but I think a faith that weak not worth professing.)

Personally, I find the idea that our universe may have been created by the explosion of a white hole pure speculation and not even worthy of the title "theory"--maybe a hypothesis worthy of testing, but certainly not a theory, since true scientific theory must have passed the scrutiny of extensive testing and peer review and been found somewhat reliable before it can be classed a theory--but such speculation is often the seed for testable hypotheses.  I'm actually interested to see if our scientists can find a way to test their hypotheses of what actually happens inside a black hole, especially considering the overwhelming obstacles (i.e., the fact that not even light can escape the intense gravitational pull of a black hole once locked inside).

What I am criticizing is not science, it is the junk science passed off as science by the atheist community, and how speculations like this get serious attention in respected magazines and TV channels.  It has nothing to do with faith, it is the so-called "Christian" atheists in drag who are weak.

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 02:09:30 PM »
Sort of like some scientists believe that life might have been "seeded" on Earth and that's the explanation of how life began.  Aliens are not too farfetched to believe in but God apparently is, and they will hold onto their nutty theories until they come up with better theories that also exclude God and then parrot them on the discovery channel and other places with a straight face.  This is today's science establishment--trekkies with too much time on their hands.
Certainly scientists are permitted to hold to their own outlandish speculations of how something or another happened, since scientists are people, too.  But not everything a scientist says can truly be called science.  (Just curious...  Does your anti-science vitriol indicate that your faith is so weak that you have to resort to such base ad hominem to destroy the work of the scientific community and thereby make your faith look sound in the process?  I don't know about you, but I think a faith that weak not worth professing.)

Personally, I find the idea that our universe may have been created by the explosion of a white hole pure speculation and not even worthy of the title "theory"--maybe a hypothesis worthy of testing, but certainly not a theory, since true scientific theory must have passed the scrutiny of extensive testing and peer review and been found somewhat reliable before it can be classed a theory--but such speculation is often the seed for testable hypotheses.  I'm actually interested to see if our scientists can find a way to test their hypotheses of what actually happens inside a black hole, especially considering the overwhelming obstacles (i.e., the fact that not even light can escape the intense gravitational pull of a black hole once locked inside).

What I am criticizing is not science, it is the junk science passed off as science by the atheist community, and how speculations like this get serious attention in respected magazines and TV channels.
And just how is this "junk science" getting passed off as science?  National Geographic isn't the first magazine I think of when I think of respected scientific publications.  In fact, I don't think they even intend to be read as a scientific publication.  To my knowledge, National Geographic publishes their material for general public consumption, as do also most TV networks.  If you want to read real science, you'd do better to find a scientific journal.

It has nothing to do with faith, it is the so-called "Christian" atheists in drag who are weak.
I don't understand this statement. ???  Who are these so-called "Christian" atheists in drag, and what do they have to do with this discussion?
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 03:40:00 AM »
Not sure how that applies to me, but thanks for resurrecting the thread to let me know  :P

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Re: Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 03:43:03 AM »
Not sure how that applies to me, but thanks for resurrecting the thread to let me know  :P

OC.net acted oddly and this showed up on my unread threads list. I didn't realize till after I posted it was old. Thought about tossing in another Stargate reference.

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