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« on: April 13, 2010, 10:49:36 AM »
Hello everyone.

I'm a 19 year old male, who was once a typical American protestant-Baptist type... and of course, I fell away from the "Church". No one seemed to be practicing Christianity truly, or taking it seriously, or trying to be more Christ like... it was more just for fun, and so on... I'm sure some of you know what I mean.

I then moved to research other religions: Most prominent of them is Tibetan Buddhism, which had the sincerity, rituals, incense and music I was looking for. I practiced this on and off for a few years, and also short periods of time searching - Another year was spent to Sikhism, which was probably (in review) one of the worst experiences I have had, but at the time, it gave me a sense of Community that I felt I lacked in Tibetan Buddhism.

I would also like to admit a stint with Theistic Satanism here to you all.

I guess I am here to learn about the Church, more about who I am, as an ethnic Russian, and of course to somehow see that there is nothing wrong with Christ's message of Love, and above all that it's not about converting as many people as you can, about showing off your faith... That it's about practice, striving and personal belief... and Imitating Christ.

Thank you all.

PS. I am 19, and spent from 13 downwards at a protestant Christian school, and then converted to Tibetan Buddhism. It's been about 6 years since I've had anything to do with Christanity, and as such, some of you may even have to explain to me the concept of just "One God" all over again... But I'm here to learn.

Sincerely,
Richard

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Re: New here
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 10:53:21 AM »
Hi Richard: Welcome! Do you live in an area where there is an Orthodox Church? If so, the best thing to do is to start attending and talk to the priest there. If you haven't ever been to Orthodox Christian worship, it would probably help to read this before you go: http://www.frederica.com/12-things/

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 11:24:38 AM »
Hello everyone.

I'm a 19 year old male, who was once a typical American protestant-Baptist type... and of course, I fell away from the "Church". No one seemed to be practicing Christianity truly, or taking it seriously, or trying to be more Christ like... it was more just for fun, and so on... I'm sure some of you know what I mean.

I then moved to research other religions: Most prominent of them is Tibetan Buddhism, which had the sincerity, rituals, incense and music I was looking for. I practiced this on and off for a few years, and also short periods of time searching - Another year was spent to Sikhism, which was probably (in review) one of the worst experiences I have had, but at the time, it gave me a sense of Community that I felt I lacked in Tibetan Buddhism.

I would also like to admit a stint with Theistic Satanism here to you all.

I guess I am here to learn about the Church, more about who I am, as an ethnic Russian, and of course to somehow see that there is nothing wrong with Christ's message of Love, and above all that it's not about converting as many people as you can, about showing off your faith... That it's about practice, striving and personal belief... and Imitating Christ.

Thank you all.

PS. I am 19, and spent from 13 downwards at a protestant Christian school, and then converted to Tibetan Buddhism. It's been about 6 years since I've had anything to do with Christanity, and as such, some of you may even have to explain to me the concept of just "One God" all over again... But I'm here to learn.

Sincerely,
Richard

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Hi Richard, welcome to the forum!

The advice that Pensateomnia gave is--as usual--wise, as nothing quite surpasses actually experiencing the Divine services with knowledge and understanding. You could supplement that by reading couple of standard books on the Orthodox Church: The Orthodox Church by Metropolitan Kallistos (Timothy Ware) and For the Life of the World by Father Alexander Schmemann. Since you were a Baptist at one time, you could also benefit from reading the journey of some Evangelical pastors to Orthodoxy--Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith by Father Peter Gillquist (Conciliar Press).

Praying for your spiritual journey to be completed successfully.

 

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 11:34:47 AM »
Welcome to the forum, Richard! This is a good place, there are many knowledgeable and nice people on this forum.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 11:43:05 AM »
Welcome to the forum! I also agree that your best first course of action is just to visit a local Orthodox Temple. If you're like me, you can just hang out at the back and observe, and usually most people will leave you in peace.

At some point, if you want to take it a step further, you can talk to the priest and tell him you'd like to meet and discuss things.

May God bless you and keep you!

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 12:31:46 PM »
Hi Richard: Welcome! Do you live in an area where there is an Orthodox Church? If so, the best thing to do is to start attending and talk to the priest there. If you haven't ever been to Orthodox Christian worship, it would probably help to read this before you go: http://www.frederica.com/12-things/


I have not and thank you very much! There is a Russian Orthodox Church close to here, that (Once I get my license) I will be able to drive. My sisters aren't religious, and my mother is (was) Episcopalian, hence the wait...

I'm reading as much as I can right now. :)

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2010, 12:39:10 PM »
Hello everyone.

I'm a 19 year old male, who was once a typical American protestant-Baptist type... and of course, I fell away from the "Church". No one seemed to be practicing Christianity truly, or taking it seriously, or trying to be more Christ like... it was more just for fun, and so on... I'm sure some of you know what I mean.

I then moved to research other religions: Most prominent of them is Tibetan Buddhism, which had the sincerity, rituals, incense and music I was looking for. I practiced this on and off for a few years, and also short periods of time searching - Another year was spent to Sikhism, which was probably (in review) one of the worst experiences I have had, but at the time, it gave me a sense of Community that I felt I lacked in Tibetan Buddhism.

I would also like to admit a stint with Theistic Satanism here to you all.

I guess I am here to learn about the Church, more about who I am, as an ethnic Russian, and of course to somehow see that there is nothing wrong with Christ's message of Love, and above all that it's not about converting as many people as you can, about showing off your faith... That it's about practice, striving and personal belief... and Imitating Christ.

Thank you all.

PS. I am 19, and spent from 13 downwards at a protestant Christian school, and then converted to Tibetan Buddhism. It's been about 6 years since I've had anything to do with Christanity, and as such, some of you may even have to explain to me the concept of just "One God" all over again... But I'm here to learn.

Sincerely,
Richard

Richard,

I recommend that you read a book by Fr. Seraphim Rose titled: Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=traditionalorthodoxy-20&l=as2&o=1&a=188790400X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />

Also, look at getting a basics of Orthodoxy book such as: The Orthodox Church: New Edition<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=traditionalorthodoxy-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0140146563" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />

The best thing that you can do is get to an Orthodox Church and talk to a priest.

May God keep you,
Michael

 
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 12:43:17 PM »
Hello everyone.

I'm a 19 year old male, who was once a typical American protestant-Baptist type... and of course, I fell away from the "Church". No one seemed to be practicing Christianity truly, or taking it seriously, or trying to be more Christ like... it was more just for fun, and so on... I'm sure some of you know what I mean.

I then moved to research other religions: Most prominent of them is Tibetan Buddhism, which had the sincerity, rituals, incense and music I was looking for. I practiced this on and off for a few years, and also short periods of time searching - Another year was spent to Sikhism, which was probably (in review) one of the worst experiences I have had, but at the time, it gave me a sense of Community that I felt I lacked in Tibetan Buddhism.

I would also like to admit a stint with Theistic Satanism here to you all.

I guess I am here to learn about the Church, more about who I am, as an ethnic Russian, and of course to somehow see that there is nothing wrong with Christ's message of Love, and above all that it's not about converting as many people as you can, about showing off your faith... That it's about practice, striving and personal belief... and Imitating Christ.

Thank you all.

PS. I am 19, and spent from 13 downwards at a protestant Christian school, and then converted to Tibetan Buddhism. It's been about 6 years since I've had anything to do with Christanity, and as such, some of you may even have to explain to me the concept of just "One God" all over again... But I'm here to learn.

Sincerely,
Richard

Christ Risen!

Hi Richard, welcome to the forum!

The advice that Pensateomnia gave is--as usual--wise, as nothing quite surpasses actually experiencing the Divine services with knowledge and understanding. You could supplement that by reading couple of standard books on the Orthodox Church: The Orthodox Church by Metropolitan Kallistos (Timothy Ware) and For the Life of the World by Father Alexander Schmemann. Since you were a Baptist at one time, you could also benefit from reading the journey of some Evangelical pastors to Orthodoxy--Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith by Father Peter Gillquist (Conciliar Press).

Praying for your spiritual journey to be completed successfully.

 
Thanks, they have been added to my wishlist of things to read.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 12:45:18 PM »
Welcome to the forum! I also agree that your best first course of action is just to visit a local Orthodox Temple. If you're like me, you can just hang out at the back and observe, and usually most people will leave you in peace.

At some point, if you want to take it a step further, you can talk to the priest and tell him you'd like to meet and discuss things.

May God bless you and keep you!
I'm just glad to know that sitting in the back and watching is alright... Thank you very much :)

I would feel much better that way.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 12:51:14 PM »
I have not and thank you very much! There is a Russian Orthodox Church close to here, that (Once I get my license) I will be able to drive. My sisters aren't religious, and my mother is (was) Episcopalian, hence the wait...

I'm reading as much as I can right now. :)

If you're reading and waiting, then I'd recommend starting to make the sign of the Cross as an initial Orthodox Christian prayer. Here's an article that explains how: http://www.greekorthodox.org.au/general/spirituality/thesignofthecross

And, as far as reading goes, by far the best thing to read for free online is Fr. Thomas Hopko's introductory catechism: http://www.oca.org/OCorthfaith.asp?SID=2
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 12:56:16 PM »
I have not and thank you very much! There is a Russian Orthodox Church close to here, that (Once I get my license) I will be able to drive. My sisters aren't religious, and my mother is (was) Episcopalian, hence the wait...

I'm reading as much as I can right now. :)

If you're reading and waiting, then I'd recommend starting to make the sign of the Cross as an initial Orthodox Christian prayer. Here's an article that explains how: http://www.greekorthodox.org.au/general/spirituality/thesignofthecross

And, as far as reading goes, by far the best thing to read for free online is Fr. Thomas Hopko's introductory catechism: http://www.oca.org/OCorthfaith.asp?SID=2
Very good idea, thank you.

What is the orthdox's preferred English translation of the bible?

Thank you again...
<3

EDIT: What about Mary and the Saints? What "saints" do the Orthodox recognize, and how important are they? Just curious as to how one becomes a Saint in Orthdoxy, and how it's recognized. I guess it's because I like the feeling of things being "beyond" just that Protestant Trinity & the Bible alone... and that somehow when I left Christanity, it was because I didn't *know* at my age about liturgy and icons, and I found that in Asia...

EDIT part 2: I'd like to add i'm big on universal compassion & love... What is the Orthodox belief on Animals? Will they go to Heaven also, or.. How does that work? I know that in Catholicism, St. Francis called birds his "little Sisters"... Just curious on the Orthodox view.
(As you can tell, I've been reading Catholic forums for a bit)
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Re: New here
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2010, 12:59:25 PM »

Richard!

Christ is Risen!

Welcome to the forum!

Read as much as you can...

If you have a good Internet connection visit AncientFaithRadio.org where you will hear Orthodox hymns and prayers 24/7.  There are also links to podcasts, sermons, etc.

...glad to have you on board!



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Re: New here
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2010, 01:00:29 PM »
Hello everyone.

I'm a 19 year old male, who was once a typical American protestant-Baptist type... and of course, I fell away from the "Church". No one seemed to be practicing Christianity truly, or taking it seriously, or trying to be more Christ like... it was more just for fun, and so on... I'm sure some of you know what I mean.

I then moved to research other religions: Most prominent of them is Tibetan Buddhism, which had the sincerity, rituals, incense and music I was looking for. I practiced this on and off for a few years, and also short periods of time searching - Another year was spent to Sikhism, which was probably (in review) one of the worst experiences I have had, but at the time, it gave me a sense of Community that I felt I lacked in Tibetan Buddhism.

I would also like to admit a stint with Theistic Satanism here to you all.

I guess I am here to learn about the Church, more about who I am, as an ethnic Russian, and of course to somehow see that there is nothing wrong with Christ's message of Love, and above all that it's not about converting as many people as you can, about showing off your faith... That it's about practice, striving and personal belief... and Imitating Christ.

Thank you all.

PS. I am 19, and spent from 13 downwards at a protestant Christian school, and then converted to Tibetan Buddhism. It's been about 6 years since I've had anything to do with Christanity, and as such, some of you may even have to explain to me the concept of just "One God" all over again... But I'm here to learn.

Sincerely,
Richard

Don't worry, you are not the only former Buddhist looking into Orthodoxy. I have a few former Buddhists at my parish. And there may be some on the boards here.....so you are not alone. As far as Theistic Satanism.....well....that's the new thing going on right now with kids in America among neo-pagans/vampires/goth/some atheists or former atheists..........etc.

You might find a few former neo-pagans on the board......I don't know. My Orthodox friend on the westcoast was involved in certains forms of neo-paganism in his nominal protestant youth days.....but I don't know about the boards.



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http://www.orthodoxradio.ca/Shows.htm (Welcome Home podcasts)
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2010, 01:01:08 PM »

Richard!

Christ is Risen!

Welcome to the forum!

Read as much as you can...

If you have a good Internet connection visit AncientFaithRadio.org where you will hear Orthodox hymns and prayers 24/7.  There are also links to podcasts, sermons, etc.

...glad to have you on board!




I will do so later tonight, and I'll let you know how that turned out... Thank you for your care :)
(family situation as above, etc)

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2010, 01:43:45 PM »
Welcome to the forum! I also agree that your best first course of action is just to visit a local Orthodox Temple. If you're like me, you can just hang out at the back and observe, and usually most people will leave you in peace.

At some point, if you want to take it a step further, you can talk to the priest and tell him you'd like to meet and discuss things.

May God bless you and keep you!
I'm just glad to know that sitting in the back and watching is alright... Thank you very much :)

I would feel much better that way.

Probably depends on the parish, but this was certainly my experience.  People would greet me when I came in and would give me an occasional head-nod to acknowledge me, but they seemed pretty used to people "checking things out".  If people seem overly friendly or pushy, assume it is because they are passionate about the faith and how it has changed their lives and hearts.  After Holy Week and the Pascha (Easter) services I have certainly found it difficult to stop talking about it to everyone I know.  Also, if you decide to attend services commit to going for a number of weeks before you make any decisions about it.  I grew up protestant/non-denominational and I was warned by an Orthodox friend that there would be plenty of things that I wouldn't understand and might not even like if I only attended once.  I committed to attending for 8 weeks.  My friend also asked me not to try to figure everything out at first, but rather to just experience it.

P.S.  Welcome to the forum.

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2010, 01:49:23 PM »
I have not and thank you very much! There is a Russian Orthodox Church close to here, that (Once I get my license) I will be able to drive. My sisters aren't religious, and my mother is (was) Episcopalian, hence the wait...

I'm reading as much as I can right now. :)

If you're reading and waiting, then I'd recommend starting to make the sign of the Cross as an initial Orthodox Christian prayer. Here's an article that explains how: http://www.greekorthodox.org.au/general/spirituality/thesignofthecross

And, as far as reading goes, by far the best thing to read for free online is Fr. Thomas Hopko's introductory catechism: http://www.oca.org/OCorthfaith.asp?SID=2
Very good idea, thank you.

What is the orthdox's preferred English translation of the bible?

There isn't. There are ones that we avoid, though. We know have the Orthodox Study Bible and the Eastern Orthodox Bible. The Oxford Study Bible is my prefered (revised standard) version.



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Thank you again...
<3

EDIT: What about Mary and the Saints? What "saints" do the Orthodox recognize, and how important are they? Just curious as to how one becomes a Saint in Orthdoxy, and how it's recognized. I guess it's because I like the feeling of things being "beyond" just that Protestant Trinity & the Bible alone... and that somehow when I left Christanity, it was because I didn't *know* at my age about liturgy and icons, and I found that in Asia...

EDIT part 2: I'd like to add i'm big on universal compassion & love... What is the Orthodox belief on Animals? Will they go to Heaven also, or.. How does that work? I know that in Catholicism, St. Francis called birds his "little Sisters"... Just curious on the Orthodox view.
(As you can tell, I've been reading Catholic forums for a bit)

The "Catholic forums," stations, etc. that I have seen are adamant that animals don't have souls (I think it is some conclusion of Aquinas) so when they die they pass out of existence.  When our cat died, I asked our priest (Orthodox of course) if he believed that he went to kitty heaven and if he did so believe, tell my sons.  "I do not so believe," he said, "I believe that they go to our [heaven]."
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2010, 01:57:53 PM »
Richard,


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Welcome to the forum you'll be in my prayers.
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2010, 02:20:46 PM »
I have not and thank you very much! There is a Russian Orthodox Church close to here, that (Once I get my license) I will be able to drive. My sisters aren't religious, and my mother is (was) Episcopalian, hence the wait...

I'm reading as much as I can right now. :)

If you're reading and waiting, then I'd recommend starting to make the sign of the Cross as an initial Orthodox Christian prayer. Here's an article that explains how: http://www.greekorthodox.org.au/general/spirituality/thesignofthecross

And, as far as reading goes, by far the best thing to read for free online is Fr. Thomas Hopko's introductory catechism: http://www.oca.org/OCorthfaith.asp?SID=2
Very good idea, thank you.

What is the orthdox's preferred English translation of the bible?

There isn't. There are ones that we avoid, though. We know have the Orthodox Study Bible and the Eastern Orthodox Bible. The Oxford Study Bible is my prefered (revised standard) version.



Quote

Thank you again...
<3

EDIT: What about Mary and the Saints? What "saints" do the Orthodox recognize, and how important are they? Just curious as to how one becomes a Saint in Orthdoxy, and how it's recognized. I guess it's because I like the feeling of things being "beyond" just that Protestant Trinity & the Bible alone... and that somehow when I left Christanity, it was because I didn't *know* at my age about liturgy and icons, and I found that in Asia...

EDIT part 2: I'd like to add i'm big on universal compassion & love... What is the Orthodox belief on Animals? Will they go to Heaven also, or.. How does that work? I know that in Catholicism, St. Francis called birds his "little Sisters"... Just curious on the Orthodox view.
(As you can tell, I've been reading Catholic forums for a bit)

The "Catholic forums," stations, etc. that I have seen are adamant that animals don't have souls (I think it is some conclusion of Aquinas) so when they die they pass out of existence.  When our cat died, I asked our priest (Orthodox of course) if he believed that he went to kitty heaven and if he did so believe, tell my sons.  "I do not so believe," he said, "I believe that they go to our [heaven]."
Well, that right there, as a "Mahayana" Buddhist has really won me over. (In case you were wondering, my favorite animals are Cats, and Carpenter Bees)

Now, all I need to do is experience an actual church. :P

Is there anything I can do religiously right now? Getting my hands on a correct version of the Bible would be a start, I'm using an old KJV version that I hide between a pillow & the wall in my bedroom... Yeah, I guess i'm afraid to "come out" if that makes sense.

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2010, 03:00:06 PM »
Pray, pray and pray  and you could try to make contact with the closest Orthodox Priest by email

Just some thoughts
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2010, 03:39:43 PM »
Pray, pray and pray  and you could try to make contact with the closest Orthodox Priest by email

Just some thoughts
I have tried e-mailing one already, should I try again?

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2010, 04:59:11 PM »
I would give him a while to respond priests are generally a little slow responding to emails.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2010, 09:15:09 PM »
I would give him a while to respond priests are generally a little slow responding to emails.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2010, 09:20:27 PM »
Getting my hands on a correct version of the Bible would be a start, I'm using an old KJV version that I hide between a pillow & the wall in my bedroom... Yeah, I guess i'm afraid to "come out" if that makes sense.

There is noting fundamentally wrong with that Bible. There really is no perfect version of the Bible in existence anyway. So if you don't find the archaic language distracting your comprehension of the material, it is an absolutely beautiful translation.

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2010, 09:26:44 PM »
Welcome to the forum.
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2010, 09:30:02 PM »
Getting my hands on a correct version of the Bible would be a start, I'm using an old KJV version that I hide between a pillow & the wall in my bedroom... Yeah, I guess i'm afraid to "come out" if that makes sense.

There is noting fundamentally wrong with that Bible. There really is no perfect version of the Bible in existence anyway. So if you don't find the archaic language distracting your comprehension of the material, it is an absolutely beautiful translation.
It somewhat hinders me, I suppose, but nothing slow reading does not cover.

I really enjoyed the NIV.

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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2010, 10:00:54 PM »
Getting my hands on a correct version of the Bible would be a start, I'm using an old KJV version that I hide between a pillow & the wall in my bedroom... Yeah, I guess i'm afraid to "come out" if that makes sense.
There is noting fundamentally wrong with that Bible. There really is no perfect version of the Bible in existence anyway. So if you don't find the archaic language distracting your comprehension of the material, it is an absolutely beautiful translation.
It somewhat hinders me, I suppose, but nothing slow reading does not cover. I really enjoyed the NIV.

The NIV is really a fine translation of the Eclectic Greek Text, but all such translations are markedly different from the Textus Receptus, which is what the King James Bible is based on.

Despite some of the problems behind the assumptions of the scholars that put together the Eclectic Greek Text, all in all it is a fine basis for translation in most cases. The only issue I have run into with the NIV is that some of the translation is censored in favor of more Protestant sensibilities, for example, "tradition" is only translated in a negative light (Matthew 15:1-9), but not in a positive light (2 Thessalonians 2:15). In the latter example the Evangelicals translated the exact same Greek word that is used in both passages in two different ways. When the Lord is rebuking the Pharisees then they are "traditions", but when St. Paul admonishes the Christians of Thessaloniki to hold fast to the traditions he is teaching them orally and in writing, the word is translated as "teachings."

By the way, if one were to go to Thessaloniki today, what kind of churches would one find?  ;)

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Re: New here
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2010, 10:38:04 PM »
Christ is risen! Indeed He is risen!

Welcome to the forum! In addition to the advice that has been given above, I would recommend checking out Orthodox Christian Network, as you can watch live broadcasts of the Divine Liturgy on Sunday mornings, and they have a plethora of edifying podcasts.

Until you are able to get your hands on a complete copy of The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware, you can read excerpts of the text here.

If you don't hear from the priest you emailed after a week or so, I would give him a call. (Some are just really bad about checking email unfortunately! :) ) Talk to him, express your concerns, your questions, etc. Also, tell him about your transportation situation. There may be someone who lives nearby that may be willing to give you a ride to Church on Sundays.

Right now, just be patient, pray, read the Psalms, and have faith in God.

May the Lord bless you on your journey!
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11

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Re: New here
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2010, 07:37:23 AM »
Another question - DOes it matter how many books the bible has total?

Protestant vs. catholics with Macabees, etc.

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Re: New here
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2010, 08:08:21 AM »
Christ is risen! Indeed He is risen!

Welcome to the forum! In addition to the advice that has been given above, I would recommend checking out Orthodox Christian Network, as you can watch live broadcasts of the Divine Liturgy on Sunday mornings, and they have a plethora of edifying podcasts.

Until you are able to get your hands on a complete copy of The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware, you can read excerpts of the text here.

If you don't hear from the priest you emailed after a week or so, I would give him a call. (Some are just really bad about checking email unfortunately! :) ) Talk to him, express your concerns, your questions, etc. Also, tell him about your transportation situation. There may be someone who lives nearby that may be willing to give you a ride to Church on Sundays.

Right now, just be patient, pray, read the Psalms, and have faith in God.

May the Lord bless you on your journey!
Thank you for all of your help :)

I still have yet to listen to the Radio above, I plan to do that today. I'll check out the OCN.

And the point you made is indeed a good one: Did any of the Apostles ever actually go to Italy? What languages was the bible traditionally placed in? (obvious answer of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek)

It amazes me how easily come people are led away like that, but oh well.

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Re: New here
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2010, 10:02:21 AM »
Another question - DOes it matter how many books the bible has total?

Protestant vs. catholics with Macabees, etc.
It matters most that what is present is an accurate translation. Next most important is that all books are present.
"It is remarkable that what we call the world...in what professes to be true...will allow in one man no blemishes, and in another no virtue."--Charles Dickens

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Re: New here
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2010, 11:19:28 AM »
Another question - DOes it matter how many books the bible has total?

Protestant vs. catholics with Macabees, etc.
It matters most that what is present is an accurate translation. Next most important is that all books are present.
Thank you very much :)

Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches? :)

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Re: New here
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2010, 01:16:07 PM »
Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches?

Technically speaking I don't think that you are supposed to do this without the blessing of a priest. There are strict rules surrounding even the production of iconography, and I have heard that computer productions are the norm by any stretch.

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Re: New here
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2010, 01:38:04 PM »
Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches?

Technically speaking I don't think that you are supposed to do this without the blessing of a priest. There are strict rules surrounding even the production of iconography, and I have heard that computer productions are the norm by any stretch.
Ah okay. :)

Why is that?
I was just curious about that is all... I think I will read the Gospels, and then the Psalms.

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Re: New here
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2010, 01:51:40 PM »
Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches?

Technically speaking I don't think that you are supposed to do this without the blessing of a priest. There are strict rules surrounding even the production of iconography, and I have heard that computer productions are the norm by any stretch.

Would there be a problem if the pictures of icons were used for contemplation as opposed to veneration?

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Re: New here
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2010, 02:01:18 PM »
Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches?

Technically speaking I don't think that you are supposed to do this without the blessing of a priest. There are strict rules surrounding even the production of iconography, and I have heard that computer productions are the norm by any stretch.

Would there be a problem if the pictures of icons were used for contemplation as opposed to veneration?
Possibly: we're having a discussion about copyright issues on the faith board right now. Same applies to icons - very often they are copyrighted. Are you contemplating theft  ;)?

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Re: New here
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2010, 02:06:14 PM »
Does anybody know of a good website where I can print off icons I could use in a frame, such as 8 x 10 inches?

Technically speaking I don't think that you are supposed to do this without the blessing of a priest. There are strict rules surrounding even the production of iconography, and I have heard that computer productions are the norm by any stretch.

Would there be a problem if the pictures of icons were used for contemplation as opposed to veneration?
Possibly: we're having a discussion about copyright issues on the faith board right now. Same applies to icons - very often they are copyrighted. Are you contemplating theft  ;)?

Yes, I plan on stealing icons.   ::)

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Re: New here
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2010, 03:03:59 PM »
Christ  is Risen! Richard,

I want to welcome you to the Convert Issues Forum! Beloved in the Lord,

The purpose of the Convert issues forum is to provide a a place on the OC.Net where inquirers, catechumen, and newly converted could ask their questions about the Orthodox Faith in a safe and supportive forum without retribution or recrimination. We ask that  our members respond to your requests with direct and simple answers with sources if possible.

I always ask that on the convert Issues Forum that discussions be friendly and not controversial, if I note that the issues become faith or jurisdiction debates, I usually will split the topic and send it to the appropriate OC.Net forum to continue the discussion or debate. As like you , many coming here  wish to learn and not debate the faith, we openly remind posters that the convert forum is not a place for combative debate or arguement. 

Richard, I hope that you will enjoy your visits to the Convert Issues Forum and you will get many productive answers to your questions.

In Christ,
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Re: New here
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2010, 03:42:17 PM »
Christ  is Risen! Richard,

I want to welcome you to the Convert Issues Forum! Beloved in the Lord,

The purpose of the Convert issues forum is to provide a a place on the OC.Net where inquirers, catechumen, and newly converted could ask their questions about the Orthodox Faith in a safe and supportive forum without retribution or recrimination. We ask that  our members respond to your requests with direct and simple answers with sources if possible.

I always ask that on the convert Issues Forum that discussions be friendly and not controversial, if I note that the issues become faith or jurisdiction debates, I usually will split the topic and send it to the appropriate OC.Net forum to continue the discussion or debate. As like you , many coming here  wish to learn and not debate the faith, we openly remind posters that the convert forum is not a place for combative debate or arguement. 

Richard, I hope that you will enjoy your visits to the Convert Issues Forum and you will get many productive answers to your questions.

In Christ,
Thomas
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Thank you Thomas :)