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Are there any Arianists (Arian Christians) in the world today, and what exactly do they believe?
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 03:55:59 PM » |
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Jehovah's Witnesses.
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 04:10:09 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 04:19:10 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 05:20:29 PM » |
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This group acts like Evangelicals and is actually invited to participate with them in my city. Note their statement of beliefs clearly denies the divinity of the Holy Spirit, and avoids proclaiming the divinity of Christ. http://www.abc-coggc.org/statement_of_faith.html |
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 05:59:35 PM » |
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I am not sure though whether Arius opposed the doctrine of the Holy Spirit's divinity. Arius' main theology and heresy were concerned with the origin and nature of the Son (Logos).
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 06:01:31 PM » |
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Are there any Arianists (Arian Christians) in the world today, and what exactly do they believe?
Jehovah's (actually, Arius') Witnesses Unitarian Universalists Christadelphians (Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly) These are the major groups that come to my mind. |
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 06:08:53 PM » |
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As a side note, people who consider Islam a heresy of Christian origin may label it basically Arian. This is because the Qur'an teaches that Jesus was given by Allah even the authority to create, but it also overtly denies Jesus' divinity. There are significant signs of Arian and Nestorian influence on the Islamic scripture.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 06:13:43 PM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 06:14:03 PM » |
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This group acts like Evangelicals and is actually invited to participate with them in my city. Note their statement of beliefs clearly denies the divinity of the Holy Spirit, and avoids proclaiming the divinity of Christ. http://www.abc-coggc.org/statement_of_faith.htmlThe dangers of sola scriptura. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2010, 10:05:29 PM » |
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This group acts like Evangelicals and is actually invited to participate with them in my city. Note their statement of beliefs clearly denies the divinity of the Holy Spirit, and avoids proclaiming the divinity of Christ. http://www.abc-coggc.org/statement_of_faith.htmlThe dangers of sola scriptura. Well, if they really payed attention to the scriptures in the first place, then they wouldn't be Arian. The need to read John 1:1, though with the English translation, many Protestants have come to believe that the Word spoken about is actually the Bible.  |
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2010, 10:23:23 PM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. They are, but can often be confused with the JWs because both groups make the claim that the Archangel Michael and our Lord Jesus Christ are one and the same. With the JWs the claim is used to allow Christ to approach divinity without actually being divine. With the Seventh Day Adventists it has more to do with a confusion of the "Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament with the Archangel Michael, using passages where certain Israelites (specifically Samson's parents) fell down and worshiped in conjunction with the passage in the St John's Revelation where the angel that John attempts to bow to tells him most emphatically not to do so. So to their mind the Archangel Michael is one and the same with the "Angel of the LORD", and the "Angel of the LORD" receives worship, the Archangel Michael must be divine, and since there is only the Trinity, then the Archangel Michael must be one of the Trinity, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2010, 02:19:17 AM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. They are, but can often be confused with the JWs because both groups make the claim that the Archangel Michael and our Lord Jesus Christ are one and the same. With the JWs the claim is used to allow Christ to approach divinity without actually being divine. With the Seventh Day Adventists it has more to do with a confusion of the "Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament with the Archangel Michael, using passages where certain Israelites (specifically Samson's parents) fell down and worshiped in conjunction with the passage in the St John's Revelation where the angel that John attempts to bow to tells him most emphatically not to do so. So to their mind the Archangel Michael is one and the same with the "Angel of the LORD", and the "Angel of the LORD" receives worship, the Archangel Michael must be divine, and since there is only the Trinity, then the Archangel Michael must be one of the Trinity, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. The Adventists have a very muddy history when it comes to Christology and theology. They were some sort of Arians for a while, at least. Even now, their theology is not Orthodox. They are just a bunch of confused sectarians. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 04:14:49 AM » |
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Are there any Arianists (Arian Christians) in the world today, and what exactly do they believe?
No! Not if you mean in the Apostolic succession sense. The old Arians of the 4th century are gone. Yes! In the sense everyone else already mentioned. Christ is Risen! |
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2010, 04:19:28 AM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. They are, but can often be confused with the JWs because both groups make the claim that the Archangel Michael and our Lord Jesus Christ are one and the same. With the JWs the claim is used to allow Christ to approach divinity without actually being divine. With the Seventh Day Adventists it has more to do with a confusion of the "Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament with the Archangel Michael, using passages where certain Israelites (specifically Samson's parents) fell down and worshiped in conjunction with the passage in the St John's Revelation where the angel that John attempts to bow to tells him most emphatically not to do so. So to their mind the Archangel Michael is one and the same with the "Angel of the LORD", and the "Angel of the LORD" receives worship, the Archangel Michael must be divine, and since there is only the Trinity, then the Archangel Michael must be one of the Trinity, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. The Adventists have a very muddy history when it comes to Christology and theology. They were some sort of Arians for a while, at least. Even now, their theology is not Orthodox. They are just a bunch of confused sectarians. Yes, you are correct! You seem to know alot about the history and theology of Adventists. Are there alot of adventists in Romania? I know they are in Russia. Christ is Risen! |
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2010, 07:59:22 AM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. They are, but can often be confused with the JWs because both groups make the claim that the Archangel Michael and our Lord Jesus Christ are one and the same. With the JWs the claim is used to allow Christ to approach divinity without actually being divine. With the Seventh Day Adventists it has more to do with a confusion of the "Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament with the Archangel Michael, using passages where certain Israelites (specifically Samson's parents) fell down and worshiped in conjunction with the passage in the St John's Revelation where the angel that John attempts to bow to tells him most emphatically not to do so. So to their mind the Archangel Michael is one and the same with the "Angel of the LORD", and the "Angel of the LORD" receives worship, the Archangel Michael must be divine, and since there is only the Trinity, then the Archangel Michael must be one of the Trinity, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. The Adventists have a very muddy history when it comes to Christology and theology. They were some sort of Arians for a while, at least. Even now, their theology is not Orthodox. They are just a bunch of confused sectarians. Yes, you are correct! You seem to know alot about the history and theology of Adventists. Are there alot of adventists in Romania? I know they are in Russia. Christ is Risen! Indeed He is risen! There are 7-Day in Romania, but many got out during communism: Ceaucescu used them and other Protestants to prove there was religious freedom in Romania because he let them go (yeah, doesn't make much sense, but the US State Dept. bought it from Carter onward to let Romania have "Most Favored" Trading status). |
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2010, 09:58:05 AM » |
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There aren't that many Adventists in Romania.
What I know about them, I know because I happened to have a bit of contact with few of then many years ago, when they invited me at one or two of their proselytizing campaigns.
It didn't have any effect on me, but with the literature I got, I learned a bit about them and their funny restaurationist claims, also shared by JW, the Mormons and a few other sects.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2010, 09:13:11 PM » |
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There aren't that many Adventists in Romania.
What I know about them, I know because I happened to have a bit of contact with few of then many years ago, when they invited me at one or two of their proselytizing campaigns.
It didn't have any effect on me, but with the literature I got, I learned a bit about them and their funny restaurationist claims, also shared by JW, the Mormons and a few other sects.
I'm puzzled by how such beliefs get spread abroad like that. Its strange that a religion founded in a city which is a short drive from where I live is spreading in the world. The same applies for JWs and Mormons which are also American made faiths. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2010, 09:48:09 PM » |
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Didn't the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses start out as the same sect? Didn't they both descend from the Millerite movement, along with the Branch Davidians, of Waco infamy? I don't know much about them, but I think one may have spun off from the other.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2010, 10:46:46 PM » |
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Didn't the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses start out as the same sect? Didn't they both descend from the Millerite movement, along with the Branch Davidians, of Waco infamy? I don't know much about them, but I think one may have spun off from the other.
Yes, they both have roots from the Millerite movement. The only difference is that the Jehovah Witnesses directly broke off from the First Day Adventists........which is a sister church of the Seventh Day Adventists. The 1st day and 7th day Adventists both came from the Millerite movement, and they went their separate ways over the issue of the Sabbath.....and probably Ellen G. White. |
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2010, 10:59:27 AM » |
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'Arian Christianity' is an oxymoron for me.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2010, 07:28:09 PM » |
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'Arian Christianity' is an oxymoron for me.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2010, 06:25:27 PM » |
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As a side note, people who consider Islam a heresy of Christian origin may label it basically Arian. This is because the Qur'an teaches that Jesus was given by Allah even the authority to create, but it also overtly denies Jesus' divinity. There are significant signs of Arian and Nestorian influence on the Islamic scripture.
Nestorian influence? How? |
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2010, 06:30:51 PM » |
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Not since 586, when King Reccared I of Spain converted the Visigoths (then rulers of Hispania) to Orthodox/Catholic Christianity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reccared |
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2010, 08:36:11 PM » |
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(Some) 7th Day Adventists (possibly)
As far as I understand, the 7th Day Adventist denomination is Trinitarian. The problem with them is that they proclame that St Michael Arcangel is the same Jesus preincarnated. |
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