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Offline Cyrillic

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The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« on: April 01, 2013, 07:47:05 PM »
Some Church Fathers claimed that, at certain moments, the Greek philosophers of Antiquity were inspired by the Holy Spirit to proclaim some truths about God and thus be somewhat of a Greek version of the Prophets. St. Clement of Alexandria for example, after giving some quotes from the Greek philosophers, said "These sayings have been recorded by their authors through God's inspiration, and we have selected them."

Were the philosophers at certain times inspired by the Holy Spirit? What's your take on it?
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Re: The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2013, 07:49:21 PM »
LOL no they weren't inspired at all. They were heathen pagans, nothing more, nothing less. No worse and no better than the pagans from the Americas, Australia and Africa. The only difference is that they were Christianized quite fast and we adopted so many of their elements. They weren't "inspired". That's just an ultra Cradle Christopher Greek supremacist silly myth, like the notion that Odysseus was a prefigurer to Christ, lol.
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Re: The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2013, 07:56:45 PM »
St. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Basil, St. Justin Martyr, etc. all spoke positively of them, if cautiously. Here's some reading for you James.

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Re: The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2013, 08:12:38 PM »
While we're on the subject, I've read that, after the Bible, Plato was the source most quoted by the early Church Fathers. Anyone know if that's true?

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Re: The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2013, 08:13:18 PM »
I see no problem with affirming truth wherever it is found.

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Re: The Philosophers of Antiquity and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 01:53:04 AM »
Some Church Fathers claimed that, at certain moments, the Greek philosophers of Antiquity were inspired by the Holy Spirit to proclaim some truths about God and thus be somewhat of a Greek version of the Prophets. St. Clement of Alexandria for example, after giving some quotes from the Greek philosophers, said "These sayings have been recorded by their authors through God's inspiration, and we have selected them.".

Were the philosophers at certain times inspired by the Holy Spirit? What's your take on it?
that St. Clement didn't wash everything off or out in the baptismal font.
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                           and both come out of your mouth