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Are all religions the same?
« on: March 31, 2010, 12:57:41 AM »
are they?

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 01:07:45 AM »
Yep.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 01:08:28 AM »
LOL no.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 01:14:01 AM »
Depends on you're meaning.  Stay with me for a second.   :)

If you take religion as a means to connect with something greater than yourself, then yes, perhaps they are all the same.  If you take religion as a means to connect with the Living God through theosis, then no, they are not the same at all.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 01:19:46 AM »
Depends on you're meaning.  Stay with me for a second.   :)

If you take religion as a means to connect with something greater than yourself, then yes, perhaps they are all the same.  If you take religion as a means to connect with the Living God through theosis, then no, they are not the same at all.
greater than myself, by greater do you mean eternal?

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 01:42:37 AM »
To a Very Very Very Limited Extent Yes I suppose they are
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 01:46:18 AM »
Different religions may have some things in common to a greater or lesser degree, but I don't think that they are precisely the same.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 01:48:41 AM »
Just so everyone is clear, I was being completely sarcastic.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 01:50:47 AM »
Depends on you're meaning.  Stay with me for a second.   :)

If you take religion as a means to connect with something greater than yourself, then yes, perhaps they are all the same.  If you take religion as a means to connect with the Living God through theosis, then no, they are not the same at all.
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No.  'Greater' as in the sense of belonging; a sense of community. 
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 02:25:40 AM »
oh and do all religions really lead to heaven, as some say?

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 02:27:15 AM »
NO!!! Absolutley Not  ::) I hate when people say that then whats the point in religion at all?
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 02:28:16 AM »
NO!!! Absolutley Not  ::) I hate when people say that then whats the point in religion at all?
Could you explain to me why?

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 02:29:22 AM »
Why I hate when people say that or why  all religions don't lead to heaven?  :)
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 02:32:07 AM »
Why I hate when people say that or why  all religions don't lead to heaven?  :)

Both.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 02:32:44 AM »
All manmade religions are the same in that they are unable to lead men to God. Contrary to all manmade religions, the Orthodox Church is the divinely established institution through which God makes Himself available to man.


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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2010, 02:33:57 AM »
oh and do all religions really lead to heaven, as some say?

What is heaven?

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2010, 02:36:02 AM »
All Religions don't lead to heaven because as our Lord said "no one comes to the Father Except through me" an "Unless you eat my Flesh and drink my Blood you shall not have life within you" so clearly Jesus did not teach that everybody goes to heaven  not to mention that most people have heard aboout Jesus and ignore him anyway.

I hate when people say that all religions lead to heaven because if they do theres no reason to be a member of any certin religion at all.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2010, 02:40:56 AM »
I hate when people say that all religions lead to heaven because if they do there's no reason to be a member of any certain religion at all.

Sure there is. In this schema, you'd still need a religion to get to "heaven." You wouldn't be able to do it without a religion, I suppose unless you started your own.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 02:45:11 AM »
The one true religion that leads to those pearly gates? The correct answer would be the Mooorman's lol... ;D
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2010, 03:01:05 AM »
The one true religion that leads to those pearly gates? The correct answer would be the Mooorman's lol... ;D
Reading ndes ( near death experiences), I've found that orthodoxy is the most accurate: seeing Jesus, being one with the light, inclusivism, God is the way the light and the truth, Heaven and hell being in one place, in the presence of God.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2010, 03:04:56 AM »
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2010, 03:15:46 AM »
The one true religion that leads to those pearly gates? The correct answer would be the Mooorman's lol... ;D
Reading ndes ( near death experiences), I've found that orthodoxy is the most accurate: seeing Jesus, being one with the light, inclusivism, God is the way the light and the truth, Heaven and hell being in one place, in the presence of God.

I would not assess spiritual truth by analyzing case studies of near death experiences.


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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2010, 08:31:42 AM »
All manmade religions are the same in that they are unable to lead men to God. Contrary to all manmade religions, the Orthodox Church is the divinely established institution through which God makes Himself available to man.


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Does that include the Eastern Orthodox?  ;)
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2010, 10:27:14 AM »
If you will, you can become all flame.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2010, 10:27:34 AM »
oh and do all religions really lead to heaven, as some say?
No.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2010, 12:49:36 PM »
oh and do all religions really lead to heaven, as some say?
No religion leads to heaven, at least not as those who say such things claim. In the case of Orthodoxy, the adherent is led first to the Incarnation, then to the teachings of Jesus, then to the Cross, then to the Resurrection, and finally to the Ascension. In other words, we are led to live our lives as Jesus did. But never do we expect to sign on the dotted line and make a reservation.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2010, 04:46:33 PM »
All manmade religions are the same in that they are unable to lead men to God. Contrary to all manmade religions, the Orthodox Church is the divinely established institution through which God makes Himself available to man.


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Does that include the Eastern Orthodox?  ;)

IMHO, YES! :)


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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2010, 07:27:14 PM »
oh and do all religions really lead to heaven, as some say?

To quote a Christian proverb:

"You can go to Heaven God's way or you can go to Hell any way you please."

So the answer is no.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2010, 07:58:52 PM »
All manmade religions are the same in that they are unable to lead men to God. Contrary to all manmade religions, the Orthodox Church is the divinely established institution through which God makes Himself available to man.


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Does that include the Eastern Orthodox?  ;)

IMHO, YES! :)


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Oh yeah!

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2010, 10:00:36 PM »

To quote a Christian proverb:

"You can go to Heaven God's way or you can go to Hell any way you please."


I love it!



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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2010, 10:05:12 AM »
All religions are just sociological constructions by which human beings relieve themselves of existential anxiety.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2010, 10:08:51 AM »
All religions are just sociological constructions by which human beings relieve themselves of existential anxiety.
True, but a few actually introduce us to Christ, and that's the one really important function of any religion.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2010, 10:12:03 AM »
All religions are just sociological constructions by which human beings relieve themselves of existential anxiety.
True, but a few actually introduce us to Christ, and that's the one really important function of any religion.

Says who?  ;)
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2010, 10:22:07 AM »
They are not the same but that does not mean that there is no hope for believers of other faiths based on the natural law St. Paul speaks of in Romans 2, the teaching of the Beatitudes of our Lord, the ex. of the good Samaritan etc.

I think C.S. Lewis in his book: The Abolition of Man presents this understanding of a God given innate understanding of right and wrong in human beings. The most dangerous break from this is the development man-made, intellectual ideologies which morph even further away from any natural bond that previously guided (however imperfectly because of a fallen world) human beings (like Marxism, Nazism, etc.). I do  not have a thorough understanding of this solid book but I think I have the gist.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2010, 10:45:04 AM »
All religions are just sociological constructions by which human beings relieve themselves of existential anxiety.
True, but a few actually introduce us to Christ, and that's the one really important function of any religion.

Says who?  ;)
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2010, 11:32:38 AM »
He is risen indeed!

I am afraid we are back to the old discussion on the subject,"is Orthodoxy a religion."

I guess it is correct to say that "religion" is just a social construction, like Feanor said.

Then, of course, Orthodoxy is not a religion. So, if all religions are the same, Orthodoxy still is different.

About religions leading to heaven, - what Ytterbiumanalyst said.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2010, 01:36:03 PM »
Religion is simply a 'Yoke' which one binds oneself to a belief or practice. Christianity is indeed a Religion and not all religions are the same.

Originally, our Lord pointed out a distinguishing feature of His Religion... 'My Yoke is light, My Way is Easy'... somewhere along the way we made it a lot more complicated.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2010, 01:49:21 PM »
Originally, our Lord pointed out a distinguishing feature of His Religion... 'My Yoke is light, My Way is Easy'... somewhere along the way we made it a lot more complicated.

Yes except that it's not "simple or easy" in the way our minds are accustomed to thinking about such terms. After all, "His Religion" got Him and the majority of His immediate followers killed.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2010, 02:45:52 PM »
Religion is simply a 'Yoke' which one binds oneself to a belief or practice. Christianity is indeed a Religion and not all religions are the same.

Originally, our Lord pointed out a distinguishing feature of His Religion... 'My Yoke is light, My Way is Easy'... somewhere along the way we made it a lot more complicated.
He never said His yoke was uncomplicated.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2010, 06:47:04 PM »
Orthodoxy is a religion.

Evangelical Protestantism, however, is a relationship with Jesus.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2010, 07:08:23 PM »
Obviously 2 or more contradictory beliefs can't all be true.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2010, 07:09:58 PM »
Orthodoxy is a religion.

Evangelical Protestantism, however, is a relationship with Jesus.

Orthodoxy is not a religion. Religion is a neurobiological illness. Orthodoxy is the cure.
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2010, 10:58:37 PM »
Orthodoxy is a religion.

Evangelical Protestantism, however, is a relationship with Jesus.

Orthodoxy is not a religion. Religion is a neurobiological illness. Orthodoxy is the cure.

Personally, I agree with this statement 100%, having been through a lot of stuff I have been through; but I am afraid that parroting this statement is perhaps one of the greatest disservices we can do to Orthodoxy. Just think of it, 99.9% or so of people who identify themselves as "Christians" in the USA and, largely, in the West can perhaps say, "Orthodoxy is a neurobiological disease (whose origins are ethnicity or propaganda of all those various ethnics), and Roman Catholicism/ Evangelical Protestantism/ Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ is the cure."
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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2010, 11:37:07 PM »
Orthodoxy is a religion.

Evangelical Protestantism, however, is a relationship with Jesus.

So true.

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Re: Are all religions the same?
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2010, 12:16:41 AM »
Orthodoxy is a religion.

Evangelical Protestantism, however, is a relationship with Jesus.

So true.
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