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what is the status of roac?
« on: March 30, 2010, 12:26:17 PM »
I read on here that Bishop Valentine was deposed  when was that? and why is he still metropolitan of roac? The post also said he was defrocked (meaning?)

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Re: what is the status of roac?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 12:39:36 PM »
Metropolitan Valentine was a priest of the Moscow Patriarchate who joined the ROCOR when communism ended.  He became a bishop in ROCOR.

There was a controversy about parish registrations in ROCOR in Russia as the Church grew and new communities from the Moscow Patriarchate left and joined ROCOR as communism ended.

Ultimately, Metropolitan Valentine (then Bishop Valentine) refused to cooperate with the Synodal decision. His position was that to comply would have jeopardized the status of the parishes in the eyes of the State and risk loosing them.  He ceased attending the Synod meetings and they suspended him.

There was a brief reunion afterward, but it failed. Finally in 1995 he made a final break.  At some point in this process, he had ordained some bishops, and ROCOR deposed/defrocked him (said he is no longer a bishop).  He claimed the deposition was invalid and carried on with running the ROCOR parishes in Russia that stayed loyal to him.

Eventually, his Synod of bishops elected him Metropolitan.  This is not recognized by ROCOR or the other Churches of Worldwide Orthodoxy.  From the ROAC's point of view, they don't care, because they believe the ROCOR violated its principles and faith by joining the Moscow Patriarchate in 2007.  ROCOR naturally does not agree with this assessment.

That is the very abbreviated and oversimplified version of the story.  I'd suggest you research the documents from both sides to get a better understanding of the issue. They are available on the internet in many places.

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Re: what is the status of roac?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 01:36:24 PM »
So Father, was that Metropolitan Valentine who did not agree with being defrocked?  If so, wouldn't that be the equivalent to a person convicted in court not agreeing with what the judge and jury's verdict to a crime, leave the court room and commit the crime in another town?
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Re: what is the status of roac?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 01:42:52 PM »
So Father, was that Metropolitan Valentine who did not agree with being defrocked?  If so, wouldn't that be the equivalent to a person convicted in court not agreeing with what the judge and jury's verdict to a crime, leave the court room and commit the crime in another town?

Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on whether a crime was committed in the first place, and whether the trial was fair.

I'm neither a defender nor a detractor of Met Valentine. I don't know enough about the situation. I do believe his case was mishandled, and I do believe that ROCOR was wrong to reunite with the MP. That does not mean that Met Valentine is innocent or that he did not contribute to the problem, either.  You can do your research on the internet and come to your own conclusions. From ROCOR's point of view, Met Valentine was deposed and returned to the status of monk. Whether that was fair or not is not my decision to make.
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