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« on: January 09, 2004, 02:30:47 PM »

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Do you think Old Calendar Nativity, is more meaningfull
then the New Calendar Christmas (12/25) since
they dont have all the people who "celebrate" christmas
just for the gifts and trees and lights.

It would seem to me that the Old Calenderist
actually recognize that "Jesus is the reason for the season"
more then most new calenderist.... Whats your opinion?

Truthfully, I dont like all the trees, lights, carols, family gatherings.

I wonder if thats why I prefer (1/7) Huh

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 06:02:34 PM »

I think that I am aware of the meaning of the Feast of the Nativity even though I'm NC. Smiley In some respects I'd prefer to be OC for Nativity, because the season can be overwhelmed, but if we are keeping witness throughout the Advent Fast then we need not forget the reason for the season. Indeed since the Feast was placed at a time of secular and pagan celebration I am not sure that the issue is a new one. We may need to make extra effort now but if we are overwhelmed then are we not at fault in some respect for having allowed our cultures to be overwhelmed?

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2004, 07:07:38 PM »

Daniel,

This has been my second experience of OC Nativity and I defintely feel that it is easier to keep January 7th as a purely spiritual feast. It is difficult though for me to keep focused in the run-up to the NC feast which the rest of my family celebrate. I had all the in-laws and my own folks over for Christmas dinner etc. and exchanged gifts on 25th December. I don't just mean getting caught up in the more secular aspects of it though, I find it difficult to resist getting caught up in the joy of the spiritual celebration as well.  The period after the NC Christmas is over, however, is very special for me and I try to embrace fasting and spiritual preparation with a fresh enthusiasm.  There's a special peace once all the fuss is over in the surrounding world. I take Peter's point though that we all need to take a stand on how Christmas has been devalued in our culture.

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2004, 07:13:00 PM »

I don't think we should shirk away from our responsibility to baptize our culture as much as possible. I celebrate Christmas on the Julian calendar and I don't really feel too many of the "perks" of celebrating then that were originally mentioned. The largest boon for me is being able to celebrate Christmas with the majority of the world's Orthodox Christians. I do, however, have a real soft spot for some of the externals of Western Christmas. I like hearing Christmas songs on the radio(the good ones), seeing trees lit up, nativity scenes(where the godless ACLU hasn't done their part to have them removed), etc.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2004, 11:36:47 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2004, 12:51:12 PM »

I agree completely about the commercialisation of Christmas, but as I have considered this over the last 24 hours I find I rather think that there is a need for the Church to fight back to find a place for the Christian message rather than leave the field. Most folk in the UK will not be participating in an OC Nativity, but there is a tremendous opportunity at the time of the NC Nativity. My local orthodox Anglican church is packed at all the services of the eve of the Nativity.

It seems to me that an Orthodox based service of carols and traditional Orthodox Nativity hymns, with a real Gospel message, would be welcomed and attended at NC Christmas when hearts are open, while the OC celebration has the possibility of only being known by those who know.

This isn't a criticism of any particular date at all, but in the UK the rest of the population run on the Gregorian calendar, it seems to me that it can't just be ignored from a missionary point of view.

Likewise should I seek to bring an Orthodox pov to bear on our celebration of St George, or should I leave that celebration to the non-Orthodox and quietly have my own celebration on the OC when the press aren't interested and the opportunity for witness is lost.

This is not an OC/NC post, but I'm just raising the missiological possibilities of participating as a witness in the NC if that is the calendar in use around us.

An Orthodox choir might be invited to sing in a shopping mall at NC Christmas, but who's going to invite them 13 days after Christmas?
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