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« on: March 21, 2010, 10:10:35 AM »
Dear folks,

As we all know, there are universities that were founded and are supported by Heterodox churches. Some of them are world-famous, for example Loyola University (Roman Catholic), Westmont College (Protestant), and other.

Are there any Orthodox universities? I do not mean schools of theology, seminaries, spiritual academies, etc., but, rather, universities where students are taught various subjects and where faculty is extensively engaged in doing research. (As an immunologist, I, for example, know some first-class work in immunology done at the Catholic University of Louvain, Belgium...)

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 10:12:17 AM »
If there are any I would imagine that most are in predominantly Orthodox countries.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 10:39:59 AM »
If there are any I would imagine that most are in predominantly Orthodox countries.

There aren't any in Ukraine. The famous Mohylyans'ka Akademija (the university founded in the 1600-s by St. Peter Moghyla in Kiev, an institution that was meant to be a beacon of Orthodoxy) still exists and functions, but it is a state-run liberal arts college where the entire education is secular. I am not aware of any Orthodox universities in Russia, either. Maybe in Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece?
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 12:26:07 PM »
If there are any I would imagine that most are in predominantly Orthodox countries.

In Orthodox countries, Universities are generally operated by the state, so, no, there aren't any extant Universities that are run by the church. There aren't really any substantial private Universities of any kind, given Eastern Europe's Ottoman history and its current penchant for socialism.

There was, of course, the world's first true University in Constantinople, but that is obviously a thing of the past. And, today, there is Hellenic College in Brookline, which is obviously run by the Church and offers degrees in a few non-theological fields (e.g. Psychology, Education, Classics, Business). Nothing like in the Roman tradition, though.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 12:54:39 PM »
Thank you, Pensateomnia. That's sad. One reason I started this thread is that I have recently heard from one Ukrainian intellectual, a professor who lives and teaches in Kharkiv, something like this, "of course there are no Orthodox universities - it's the Roman Catholic Church who has always cared about education, while the Orthodox Church has traditionally loathed and feared any positive knowledge, and still does."

The situation with Orthodoxy in Ukraine is just tragic. Intellectuals shun it and blackmouth it as something reactionary, obscurantist, backward, a hindrance, and obstacle on Ukraine's way towards progress, towards Europe.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 03:28:19 PM »
It is sad especially when you realize that most of the best educated of our theologians world wide have pursued doctoral studies and post-doctoral work at prestigious non-Orthodox universities - not just Catholic ones, but institutions like Harvard, the Sorbonne and Oxford to name a few. I shudder and recoil from those who take the anti-knowledge position that causes the sort of comment that Heorhij related from a colleague in Ukraine. Yes, faith is indeed a mystery, but it is not one of superstition and empty mysticism.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 05:02:36 PM »
Thank you, Pensateomnia.

Sure. I've often thought you would make a good biology department chairman at the Orthodox University I dream about founding.  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 05:35:35 PM »
Thank you, Pensateomnia. That's sad. One reason I started this thread is that I have recently heard from one Ukrainian intellectual, a professor who lives and teaches in Kharkiv, something like this, "of course there are no Orthodox universities - it's the Roman Catholic Church who has always cared about education, while the Orthodox Church has traditionally loathed and feared any positive knowledge, and still does."

The situation with Orthodoxy in Ukraine is just tragic. Intellectuals shun it and blackmouth it as something reactionary, obscurantist, backward, a hindrance, and obstacle on Ukraine's way towards progress, towards Europe.
In my opinion, this points out the need to have better relations and exchanges between Catholics and Orthodox so that we can both learn from each other.

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 07:18:46 PM »
It is sad especially when you realize that most of the best educated of our theologians world wide have pursued doctoral studies and post-doctoral work at prestigious non-Orthodox universities - not just Catholic ones, but institutions like Harvard, the Sorbonne and Oxford to name a few. I shudder and recoil from those who take the anti-knowledge position that causes the sort of comment that Heorhij related from a colleague in Ukraine. Yes, faith is indeed a mystery, but it is not one of superstition and empty mysticism.

Harvard was started by Congregational puritans....only to be owned later by congregational Uniterians or uniterian universalists....I forgot which (when the congregationalists in New England split/schismed. The liberal uniterian faction got Harvard. If I'm wrong.....please forgive me.....for I'm going off of memory right now)

Oxford was Roman Catholic at one time.....before King Henry the 8th took it away. I could be wrong, but I think schools started to pop up in western Europe either during or shortly after the crusades.

They started out as Monasteries, and eventually the monasteries turned into schools as they grew, copied books and tought people. This is also where western hospitals come from as well. I know that alot of people mock the crusades, but if it wasn't for the crusades........then you wouldn't have hospitals, and schools in the west.

I could be wrong, but I think the council of Trent, mandated that schools had to exist in every diocese.

If American Orthodoxy was allowed to be independant........then we would start schools, hospitals....etc. everywhere. It's in our blood to do so.







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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 11:01:19 PM »
Found a few interesting links:

At Cambridge University, England   http://www.farahfoundation.org/institute.html

St. Tikhon's University - Russia  http://en.pstgu.ru/

At the University of Chicago  http://ocf.uchicago.edu/


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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 11:12:52 PM »
It is sad especially when you realize that most of the best educated of our theologians world wide have pursued doctoral studies and post-doctoral work at prestigious non-Orthodox universities - not just Catholic ones, but institutions like Harvard, the Sorbonne and Oxford to name a few. I shudder and recoil from those who take the anti-knowledge position that causes the sort of comment that Heorhij related from a colleague in Ukraine. Yes, faith is indeed a mystery, but it is not one of superstition and empty mysticism.

I wonder, maybe it's not too late to reverse this tragic situation...
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 01:46:05 AM »
my father asked me that same question! 

you would most likely just see them in Orthodox Christian countries in Eastern Europe.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2010, 01:19:35 PM »
Did a little more digging and found that there are a couple of institutions of higher learning affiliated with the ROC.

St. Tikhon's Orthodox University
http://en.pstgu.ru/

The Russian Christian Academy
http://www.rchgi.spb.ru/Engl/index.php

St. Tikhon's is the most established. On top of that, as mentioned above, several of the normal state universities have added Orthodox Faculties of Theology, which are tied into the Church, much like in Greece.
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2010, 06:57:41 AM »
The situation with Orthodoxy in Ukraine is just tragic. Intellectuals shun it and blackmouth it as something reactionary, obscurantist, backward, a hindrance, and obstacle on Ukraine's way towards progress, towards Europe.

The main problem the schism. KP an UAOC are too small (these two should at least get togehter), and in the MP, all literature etc. is just imported from Russia. I do know some Orthodox intellectuals in Kyiv, but they are not full-time theologians and they have not published anything on religious thought etc.

Probably you are also somewhat hinting at Lviv's Ukrainian Catholic University. I agree that it is very successful and it already includes several non-religious fields. But we should not forget that Rome and Poland helped a lot. If there was going to be an Orthodox university in Ukraine, who would help with it? Greeks maybe, if they get over their financial crisis and some Ukrainians manage to get under the EP? And where would the money come from? Might Boris Berezovsky contribute? He is known to be actively Orthodox and he would sure be interested to have some religious thought not controlled by the Kremlin.

But then again, is Ukraine still free now under Yanukovich and Azarov?



Anyway, back to the original question: Isn't Balamand University in Lebanon Orthodox (Antioch)?

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2010, 08:23:01 AM »
The situation with Orthodoxy in Ukraine is just tragic. Intellectuals shun it and blackmouth it as something reactionary, obscurantist, backward, a hindrance, and obstacle on Ukraine's way towards progress, towards Europe.

The main problem the schism. KP an UAOC are too small (these two should at least get togehter), and in the MP, all literature etc. is just imported from Russia. I do know some Orthodox intellectuals in Kyiv, but they are not full-time theologians and they have not published anything on religious thought etc.

Probably you are also somewhat hinting at Lviv's Ukrainian Catholic University. I agree that it is very successful and it already includes several non-religious fields. But we should not forget that Rome and Poland helped a lot. If there was going to be an Orthodox university in Ukraine, who would help with it? Greeks maybe, if they get over their financial crisis and some Ukrainians manage to get under the EP? And where would the money come from? Might Boris Berezovsky contribute? He is known to be actively Orthodox and he would sure be interested to have some religious thought not controlled by the Kremlin.

But then again, is Ukraine still free now under Yanukovich and Azarov?



Anyway, back to the original question: Isn't Balamand University in Lebanon Orthodox (Antioch)?

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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2010, 08:44:54 AM »
Thank you, Pensateomnia. That's sad. One reason I started this thread is that I have recently heard from one Ukrainian intellectual, a professor who lives and teaches in Kharkiv, something like this, "of course there are no Orthodox universities - it's the Roman Catholic Church who has always cared about education, while the Orthodox Church has traditionally loathed and feared any positive knowledge, and still does."

How does he explain the Kiev Academy?
If there are any I would imagine that most are in predominantly Orthodox countries.

There aren't any in Ukraine. The famous Mohylyans'ka Akademija (the university founded in the 1600-s by St. Peter Moghyla in Kiev, an institution that was meant to be a beacon of Orthodoxy) still exists and functions, but it is a state-run liberal arts college where the entire education is secular.

That has been the fate of most such Universities: secularization, as in state-run.  The University of Bucharest, for instance, has a similar history.

When I hear such things from Russians as your colleague, I remember Igor Sikorsky: a giant in aviation and aero-dynamics, he was also a devout Orthodox, writing two books
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"The Message of the Lord's Prayer" and "The Invisible Encounter." In summation of his beliefs, in the latter he wrote: "Our concerns sink into insignificance when compared with the eternal value of human personality -- a potential child of God which is destined to triumph over lie, pain, and death. No one can take this sublime meaning of life away from us, and this is the one thing that matters."
http://avstop.com/history/aroundtheworld/russia/sikorsky.html

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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2010, 05:11:24 PM »
The sad state of higher Orthodox schooling (excepting the seminaries) is only magnified by the fact that we have so few Orthodox schools.  And those that we do have, such as St. Peter Orthodox School in Texas, very rarely teach students outside of the elementary and middle school levels.  Here, in America, there is no reason why we shouldn't be doing more to increase the numbers and qualities of Orthodox schools for all grade levels.
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2010, 06:23:49 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2010, 03:50:37 AM »
one Ukrainian intellectual, a professor who lives and teaches in Kharkiv, something like this, "of course there are no Orthodox universities - it's the Roman Catholic Church who has always cared about education, while the Orthodox Church has traditionally loathed and feared any positive knowledge, and still does." 

 :o :o :o :o :o :o

I think that's an arguable statement.

It would really be nice to have Orthodox schools, but the funding just isn't there, especially in North America. Looking at elementary schools and high schools in the GTA where I live, easily one third are catholic. Hell, I drive by a Muslim School every day on my way to school that's clearly funded by the government.
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Orthodox universit(ies)? YES!
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2010, 06:44:59 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2010, 09:50:38 AM »
http://www.stkath.org/ (Saint Katherine College) It's an undergrad Orthodox school in San Diego California. It's not aligned with any jurisdiction yet. At the moment it's independent. They want it to be an American institution instead of a Pan-Orthodox institution. My problem with that is why use the name "Saint Katherine" if you don't want to align it with the faith in that way? But anyway, according to them, they do have the blessing from all the Orthodox jurisdictions, and it was started/put together by both cradle and convert Orthodox alike. I think what they are doing is a cool endeavor, and it is something that is badly needed.......especially in the undergraduate level.

As seen from the website:
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"St Katherine College focuses its integrative teaching in the core subjects of Composition, English Language and Literature, Foreign Language, U.S. Government and History, Sciences, Economics and Mathematics. In addition we offer instruction in degree major-specific requirements.

Our primary purpose is teaching and research—with relevance to the practical world and Christian witness.

SKC programs encompass several academic disciplines, interdisciplinary collaborations, laboratories, and programs whose work cuts across traditional departmental boundaries."

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Did you know that the first University was established in Constantinople? The Orthodox faith has a rich heritage in education. Click on the link above to learn more."


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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2013, 01:00:05 AM »
Here is the worlds largest list of Orthodox Christian Educational Institutions.

It includes theological seminaries, institutions, academics, University faculties, Universities, iconography institutes etc. Related areas to Orthodox Christianity like Byzantine studies, Coptology, Armenian studies, eastern Christian studies, Hellenic Studies are also included.
 
All are welcome to add more educational resources to the below mentioned list.  Please email the name of the institution, country situated and we blink to: theorthodoxchurch.info@gmail.com

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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 03:00:03 AM »
I think saying the Orthodox church has a great tradition of education might be stretching it...

I dont even think they have a great tradition of seminaries


comparing to the west at least
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 04:04:31 AM »
Here is the worlds largest list of Orthodox Christian Educational Institutions.

It includes theological seminaries, institutions, academics, University faculties, Universities, iconography institutes etc. Related areas to Orthodox Christianity like Byzantine studies, Coptology, Armenian studies, eastern Christian studies, Hellenic Studies are also included.
 
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The list includes:
The Orthodox Christian Study Centre – Fordham University
 
http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/orthodox_christian_s/
Last time I checked, Fordham was a Roman Catholic Jesuit university.

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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2013, 10:54:23 AM »
http://www.stkath.org/ (Saint Katherine College) It's an undergrad Orthodox school in San Diego California. It's not aligned with any jurisdiction yet. At the moment it's independent. They want it to be an American institution instead of a Pan-Orthodox institution. My problem with that is why use the name "Saint Katherine" if you don't want to align it with the faith in that way? But anyway, according to them, they do have the blessing from all the Orthodox jurisdictions, and it was started/put together by both cradle and convert Orthodox alike. I think what they are doing is a cool endeavor, and it is something that is badly needed.......especially in the undergraduate level.

As seen from the website:
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"St Katherine College focuses its integrative teaching in the core subjects of Composition, English Language and Literature, Foreign Language, U.S. Government and History, Sciences, Economics and Mathematics. In addition we offer instruction in degree major-specific requirements.

Our primary purpose is teaching and research—with relevance to the practical world and Christian witness.

SKC programs encompass several academic disciplines, interdisciplinary collaborations, laboratories, and programs whose work cuts across traditional departmental boundaries."

Also from the website:
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Orthodox Christianity and Higher Education

Did you know that the first University was established in Constantinople? The Orthodox faith has a rich heritage in education. Click on the link above to learn more."


The audio:
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/podup/illuminedheart/founding_an_orthodox_liberal_arts_and_sciences_college (audio)









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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2014, 11:45:26 AM »
It would be pretty darn neat if there was an Orthodox University or two in the States like Notre Dame, Loyola, Georgetown University, St Johns, etc...

Bonus points if it had collage football, basketball, baseball programs and such   :D

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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2014, 01:35:08 PM »
Finland has one secular state university with Masters program of Orthodox theology. One of the lectors is a priest and one of the professors is a hieromonk.

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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2014, 03:19:39 PM »
I'd like to see more Orthodox schools, too. One of the dreams of a couple parishes in my area is to build an Orthodox high school. I know it's not a college, but you've got to start somewhere.
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2014, 03:28:40 PM »
I'd like to see more Orthodox schools, too. One of the dreams of a couple parishes in my area is to build an Orthodox high school. I know it's not a college, but you've got to start somewhere.

The parishes in Buffalo are starting a grade school, adding a year at a time. I dont know if itll make it to hs, but i hope it does

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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2014, 03:29:23 PM »
I'd like to see more Orthodox schools, too. One of the dreams of a couple parishes in my area is to build an Orthodox high school. I know it's not a college, but you've got to start somewhere.

The parishes in Buffalo are starting a grade school, adding a year at a time. I dont know if itll make it to hs, but i hope it does

That's good to hear. :)
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