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« Reply #495 on: August 15, 2010, 07:22:25 PM »

I know a case of an eastern Catholic priest, never reported in the press, who either tied or handcuffed two boys to a metal bed and raped them repeatedly.  One of the boys committed suicide later in life.

How many more unreported cases of these rapes of children, and subsequent suicides have not been reported? This is truly horrific and perverted. If the Catholic authorities do nothing in cases like this, should they not be subject to some sort of reprimand?

Did you read what I wrote?...  I wrote very specifically that the situation was not widely reported in the press.  I did not say that the situation was never reported to the authorities.

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« Reply #496 on: August 15, 2010, 07:36:25 PM »

Didn't  cardinal Law ,allow this evil to happen for yrs ,by transferring them around the country or even possably around the world .....Didn't he escape U S prosecution,fled to the Vatican and the Pope Rewarded him With Much Better Position....
Vatican doesn't seem Care about the Innocent even catholics think this ,only to Protect it's own reputation and didn't do much  about it , just wanted to keep it hush hush......Shameful it is....I Thank God That It's Finally in the open ,Now they can work on the Remedy cure..... Angry I still say that returning to Holy Orthodoxy  is the cure...Please Note! without the pope, we can do without him:police:
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Didn't  cardinal Law ,allow this evil to happen for yrs ,by transferring them around the country or even possably around the world .....Didn't he escape U S prosecution,fled to the Vatican and the Pope Rewarded him With Much Better Position....
Vatican doesn't seem Care about the Innocent even catholics think this ,only to Protect it's own reputation and didn't do much  about it , just wanted to keep it hush hush......Shameful it is....I Thank God That It's Finally in the open ,Now they can work on the Remedy cure..... Angry I still say that returning to Holy Orthodoxy  is the cure... police

Not quite that simple, Stash....but if it makes you feel good to say so...

Also there's no need for any Catholic to leave the Church in order to return to the faith.  All one need do is pick up and move forward away from sin toward God, with full use of the sacraments and liturgies and prayer.

Thanks for thinkin' of us though....

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Didn't  cardinal Law ,allow this evil to happen for yrs ,by transferring them around the country or even possably around the world .....Didn't he escape U S prosecution,fled to the Vatican and the Pope Rewarded him With Much Better Position....

These transfers seem very problematical to me.
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« Reply #499 on: August 16, 2010, 01:40:23 AM »

I know a case of an eastern Catholic priest, never reported in the press, who either tied or handcuffed two boys to a metal bed and raped them repeatedly.  One of the boys committed suicide later in life.

Do I think the man in question was beaten in Catholic school?

No.  I don't.
And your basis for believing that someone, who grew up at a time when Catholic school corporal punishment was frequent and hard, was never beaten is ... ?

By the way, that is an awful story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I went to Catholic school in the 1950's and nobody was beaten.

What planet was this school on? New Jersey?

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I have been beaten.  I am not a hitter because of it.
I am sorry that you were hit, and I'm sorry I misunderstood you saying on another thread that you were in favor of corporal punishment.
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« Reply #500 on: August 16, 2010, 10:16:06 AM »

I know a case of an eastern Catholic priest, never reported in the press, who either tied or handcuffed two boys to a metal bed and raped them repeatedly.  One of the boys committed suicide later in life.

Do I think the man in question was beaten in Catholic school?

No.  I don't.
And your basis for believing that someone, who grew up at a time when Catholic school corporal punishment was frequent and hard, was never beaten is ... ?

By the way, that is an awful story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I went to Catholic school in the 1950's and nobody was beaten.

What planet was this school on? New Jersey?

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I have been beaten.  I am not a hitter because of it.
I am sorry that you were hit, and I'm sorry I misunderstood you saying on another thread that you were in favor of corporal punishment.

No.  Hear me.  I have not been hit.  I have been beaten.  Broken, bruised and bloodied.  So there is very little in all of this that I cannot address first hand.  That is why you have such a difficult time trying to figure it all out here.  But I've been there in terms of experience, and I see what the outraged bystanders are doing and from what I can see most of the most "outraged" never experienced the real thing in all of its horror and in all of its emotional complexity. 

It is not easy to heal from but without spiritual healing, one can wind up in a PTS nightmare of experimental drugs and failed lives.  So I get exceptionally angry with those whose goal it is to destroy the very heart of healing for us which is the Church.  At this point I really don't give a damn about what you think of my Church.  It is the source of all my healing.  And the source of real healing for many others who have the sense to use her gifts that way, and the graces she mediates.

You all talk about the hospital.  I am IN it!!

Catholic schools were not hotbeds of broken bodies.  I'm sorry.  That is a myth and there are millions of others like myself who will tell you their experience in Catholic school was as good or better than public schools.  I was there and there was no comparison.  Public School was a zoo and they beat the crap out of some people and teaches poked their fingers in girls in the bookclosets.

Sometimes the blind attitudes of the disinterested parties in the world do FAR more harm than good.

Save your outrage.  Find a wounded soul and take them to the hospital for souls.

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« Reply #501 on: August 16, 2010, 10:38:13 AM »



This is getting heated, as is to be expected. Everyone PLEASE take a moment to read what you are about to post before hitting the Post button.  When you've done that, do it again.  A third time probably wouldn't hurt.

Please remember to keep things civil and, when in doubt, err on the side of extreme caution.

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« Reply #502 on: August 25, 2010, 01:35:48 AM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.


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« Reply #503 on: August 25, 2010, 04:05:37 AM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.


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It just continues to get worse.
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« Reply #504 on: August 25, 2010, 07:10:00 AM »

Oh no you don't, Mary.  We're not discussing our own anecdotal experiences.  And I don't play "blame the victim, forgive the abuser" games either.  Anyone who molests a child deserves to be punished.

 laugh  I see.

We do not agree at all on the fine points.  I don't even think you have a fine point to use in this discussion from what you are saying here.

Not to worry.  My opinions are inconsequential, I am not in charge of much of anything but my own life and that is quite enough.

I would like to ask why "forgive the abuser" is linked to "blame the victim"?   From what I can see they are not necessarily related.  They may be but they are not contingent.

M.

I've never forgotten the day in Religious Studies class decades ago when Fr Bennet proclaimed:  "Men, the human race is a contingent creation.  There was no need for God to create us.  Since He knows everything in advance He would never have created us if the great majority of us were going to go to the eternal fires of Hell.  Pay no attention to the people who tell you most of the us are destined for hell.  They have no idea of what they speak.   Tell them that the very contingency of the human race utterly precludes that and the idea imputes evil to God Himselfl"

Most of us actually sat up, took notice, and wrote it down!

The sweet sound of Origenism echoes down the age.  He was a brilliant brilliant theological mind, yet stained with the taint of heresy, much to my undying regret.

Try it on a hell fire and thunder street preacher....

Does God know everything?

....Yes.

Is the human race contingent?

....Yes.

Would God have created men if He knew that the great majority of us was going to spend eternity in the torments of hell fire?

Unless the man is the most committed of Calvinists he is bound to say, No.


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What does this have to do with earthly management of sexual abuse and abusers?

When the decadent and debauched "Christian" West is conquered by Dar al-Islam, Sharia will take care of such people.  Our own institutions have become too effete to manage this evil.

Yer all heart, ducks.

What do you do with the abused who love their abuser?

Cut their heads off too?...well...actually, in the world you describe here...they do.

M.

Imagine the benefits of dhimmitude.  After the initial rough time of enforcement it will be so much better.   No liquor stores to fuel the criminals and the youth for their crimes.   No massage parlours,  no pornography, no Gay Pride marches, no abortion factories.  The Muslims will give us the public morality which Christianity has not been able to achieve.

I would rather be dead than a dhimmi. In fact, if faced with the possibility of dhimmitude, I'd say that's grounds for civil war maybe.

A decadent ungodly society leads the Elect to reject the emptiness of the world and seek God. All a repressive regime under the guise of religion offers is slavery for infidels and a ruling class to be allowed to conduct any physical or sexual abuse it wants.

To Hell with Radical Islam (where it came from!!!!)
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« Reply #505 on: August 25, 2010, 08:20:29 AM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin
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« Reply #506 on: August 25, 2010, 03:01:14 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin

I want to see that little grin when Orthodoxy is treated like a civil organization after the precedent is set in Rome.  I want to stand in front of you and watch it melt off your face and hear you wail that it is not right....  Grin

And Orthodoxy is not immune to sexual perversion and those who perpetuate it.  So it is not at all wise to gloat.

Mary
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« Reply #507 on: August 25, 2010, 05:12:58 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin
It might be a good idea to rethink and make more severe the punishment for such crimes. Would the death penalty be in order?
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« Reply #508 on: August 25, 2010, 05:19:23 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin
It might be a good idea to rethink and make more severe the punishment for such crimes. Would the death penalty be in order?

I really don't desire the death of anyone ,a long as one is alive one can come to repentance, but serving as clergy absolutly not.....Children have to be a priority...
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« Reply #509 on: August 25, 2010, 05:25:13 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin
It might be a good idea to rethink and make more severe the punishment for such crimes. Would the death penalty be in order?

I really don't desire the death of anyone ,a long as one is alive one can come to repentance, but serving as clergy absolutly not.....Children have to be a priority...
Ok. How about life imprisonment at hard and forced labor with no possibility of parole?
A child's life has been ruined. This crime must be punished severely to let the criminal know that society will not accept these perverted acts on children.
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« Reply #510 on: August 25, 2010, 05:36:28 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin

I want to see that little grin when Orthodoxy is treated like a civil organization after the precedent is set in Rome.  I want to stand in front of you and watch it melt off your face and hear you wail that it is not right....  Grin

And Orthodoxy is not immune to sexual perversion and those who perpetuate it.  So it is not at all wise to gloat.

Mary

Mary Mary...
Growing up , One our priests a monk named kirillo was accused by a Serbian family  that he foundled their boy's,..The Bishop dealt with it swiftly..he wasn't transferred, he was suspended ,,How the appeal process works i don't know .. i was a kid then, all i  know we never seen  or heard from him again...Maybe he's in lake michigan with a millstone around his neck...... Grin
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« Reply #511 on: August 25, 2010, 05:45:22 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin
It might be a good idea to rethink and make more severe the punishment for such crimes. Would the death penalty be in order?

I really don't desire the death of anyone ,a long as one is alive one can come to repentance, but serving as clergy absolutly not.....Children have to be a priority...
Ok. How about life imprisonment at hard and forced labor with no possibility of parole?
A child's life has been ruined. This crime must be punished severely to let the criminal know that society will not accept these perverted acts on children.

I could agree with neutering or casterating  them ,Like the good Lord says If any part of the body Offends better to sever it and go to heaven minus the offending part....
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« Reply #512 on: August 25, 2010, 08:34:29 PM »

Catholic priest charged with rape of 14-year-old

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100824/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_church_abuse
Tue Aug 24, 7:11 am ET
BERLIN – German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

Edited to be OK with the new forum policy - mike.

It just continues to get worse.

Sad  But Very True......Rome Vatican is Going to Have to Learn  I guess ,From The School Of Hard Knocks once its immunity is taken away eventually ,if this evil is allowed or ignored and gets worse......... Grin

I want to see that little grin when Orthodoxy is treated like a civil organization after the precedent is set in Rome.  I want to stand in front of you and watch it melt off your face and hear you wail that it is not right....  Grin

And Orthodoxy is not immune to sexual perversion and those who perpetuate it.  So it is not at all wise to gloat.

Mary

Mary Mary...
Growing up , One our priests a monk named kirillo was accused by a Serbian family  that he foundled their boy's,..The Bishop dealt with it swiftly..he wasn't transferred, he was suspended ,,How the appeal process works i don't know .. i was a kid then, all i  know we never seen  or heard from him again...Maybe he's in lake michigan with a millstone around his neck...... Grin

I will continue to wager that grinz is going to come back to bite you, on several fronts.

For those who are truly interested, when the Catholic scandals broke some years ago now, there were and had been priests imprisoned for sex crimes.  As I have noted before, it is not the cases that were caught and dealt with that are of concern.  It is the cases that we know little to nothing about that are the real danger, and of course the known cases that had been moved around are a constant source of consternation.  But as I mentioned before, and as is well known, very often even when the police were called in, they did nothing, and even the secular medical establishment thought these men could be "cured."...So that's not just a Catholic problem.  But these things are real and so are not quite as easy to grinz about.

So things in society and the Church have changed and to pretend that the situation is still as bad as ever is just mean spirited and purposefully so.  And that alone should wipe the smile off anyone's face.

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« Reply #513 on: September 01, 2010, 04:02:42 AM »

So things in society and the Church have changed and to pretend that the situation is still as bad as ever is just mean spirited and purposefully so. 
I am not so sure. For example, according to the following article a Catholic priest carried on an affair with a young girl in high school, when he was supposed to be her spiritual advisor: "Suit says priest impregnated teenager"
 http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100828_Suit_says_priest_impregnated_teenager.html
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« Reply #514 on: October 06, 2010, 07:51:58 AM »

Sex abuse victim learns of Pope's role

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/24/sex-abuse-victim-learns-of-pope%e2%80%99s-role/

The priest was convicted in 1985 on multiple charges of sexual assault and sentenced to a 14-year prison sentence.  But Campbell’s bishop, Daniel Ryan, was bothered by a disturbing fact: Despite his criminal conviction and prison sentence, Campbell was still a priest – and refused to quit.

Ryan brought the case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who today is Pope Benedict XVI. Ryan asked Benedict to forcibly remove Campbell from the priesthood.

In a personally signed letter, Ratzinger, citing Canon law, said he couldn’t defrock Campbell without Campbell’s permission – and instead suggested a local church trial, which would have taken years. It would be three more years before Bishop Ryan could persuade Campbell to request his own defrocking.
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« Reply #515 on: October 06, 2010, 12:37:42 PM »

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In the three Yrs.before he finally resigned ,did he hurt anyone else.....The Popes schemed ,Clawed, connived there way  to becoming supreme pontiff with greater  powers ,and he says he can't defrock, thats a lot of somthing ....The  catholic church can't be that desperate ,to keep a child molester on it's payroll...Why is the power of the local bishop taken away to deal with these situation in each Diocese as they rise up....so many Questions...




Sex abuse victim learns of Pope's role

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/24/sex-abuse-victim-learns-of-pope%e2%80%99s-role/

The priest was convicted in 1985 on multiple charges of sexual assault and sentenced to a 14-year prison sentence.  But Campbell’s bishop, Daniel Ryan, was bothered by a disturbing fact: Despite his criminal conviction and prison sentence, Campbell was still a priest – and refused to quit.

Ryan brought the case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who today is Pope Benedict XVI. Ryan asked Benedict to forcibly remove Campbell from the priesthood.

In a personally signed letter, Ratzinger, citing Canon law, said he couldn’t defrock Campbell without Campbell’s permission – and instead suggested a local church trial, which would have taken years. It would be three more years before Bishop Ryan could persuade Campbell to request his own defrocking.

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« Reply #516 on: October 06, 2010, 12:43:48 PM »

Sex abuse victim learns of Pope's role

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/24/sex-abuse-victim-learns-of-pope%e2%80%99s-role/

The priest was convicted in 1985 on multiple charges of sexual assault and sentenced to a 14-year prison sentence.  But Campbell’s bishop, Daniel Ryan, was bothered by a disturbing fact: Despite his criminal conviction and prison sentence, Campbell was still a priest – and refused to quit.

Ryan brought the case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who today is Pope Benedict XVI. Ryan asked Benedict to forcibly remove Campbell from the priesthood.

In a personally signed letter, Ratzinger, citing Canon law, said he couldn’t defrock Campbell without Campbell’s permission – and instead suggested a local church trial, which would have taken years. It would be three more years before Bishop Ryan could persuade Campbell to request his own defrocking.


This seems to fall into the "so what?" category.  If the bishop and priest were struggling it out and the priest was no longer a threat...where is the problem?...Once the priest's faculties are removed, a formal laicization is not necessary to take the stinger out of the bee, which is really what is being discussed here, since he is already "defrocked" by having his faculties removed AND he served his time in prison. 

So what if he does not wish to be laicized?  In fact it is undue punishment if he's an old man because once he is out of the Church there are NONE to care for him in his old age AND it puts him, unsupervised, back out on the street.

Some of this continued hoo-haw about laicization is counter productive and ill advised.

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« Reply #517 on: October 06, 2010, 12:43:49 PM »

So things in society and the Church have changed and to pretend that the situation is still as bad as ever is just mean spirited and purposefully so. 
I am not so sure. For example, according to the following article a Catholic priest carried on an affair with a young girl in high school, when he was supposed to be her spiritual advisor: "Suit says priest impregnated teenager"
 http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100828_Suit_says_priest_impregnated_teenager.html

I said that abuse is not as bad as it had been in the Church and there's nothing in this article that indicates that things are still as they were at the height of years of the reported abuses...some of it 60 and 70 years ago.

I think you need a new hobby.

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« Reply #518 on: October 06, 2010, 08:46:41 PM »


I think you need a new hobby.

Mary
In other words,  any Catholic who doesn’t take kindly to priests having sex with children should basically shut up about it? 
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« Reply #519 on: October 06, 2010, 08:58:25 PM »


I think you need a new hobby.

Mary
In other words,  any Catholic who doesn’t take kindly to priests having sex with children should basically shut up about it? 

I think she's saying that "there aren't as many new abuses happening in 2010 as there were in 1960."  Unfortunately, since the psychology behind reporting abuse hasn't changed a ton, we may not find out whether she's right or not until 2060.  I pray she is correct, though.
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« Reply #520 on: October 07, 2010, 06:44:44 AM »


I think you need a new hobby.

Mary
In other words,  any Catholic who doesn’t take kindly to priests having sex with children should basically shut up about it? 

No Stanley, not ANY Catholic....you in particular.

Mary
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