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Hinduism
« on: March 01, 2010, 05:35:07 AM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 01:03:35 PM »
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 03:00:04 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc
Many Hindus believe Krishna lived around 3000 BCE.

I don't see how being older means being truer.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 04:05:29 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc
Many Hindus believe Krishna lived around 3000 BCE.

I don't see how being older means being truer.
Hindus like to inflate their numbers, put a historic date here, then leave gaps hundreds or even thousands of years of unexplained history between their dates.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 04:19:29 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc
Many Hindus believe Krishna lived around 3000 BCE.

I don't see how being older means being truer.
Hindus like to inflate their numbers, put a historic date here, then leave gaps hundreds or even thousands of years of unexplained history between their dates.
Why would I want to worship Krishna who supposedly created a caste system in which I might fall in as an untouchable, such a cruel fate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc7iiFPDbDc
Personally I believe that Christianity has a longer history of truth.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 04:20:28 PM by Christianus »

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 04:22:13 PM »
What are you thoughts or experiences with Hinduism?
Sadly, I see California being affected by Hindu though on religions.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 04:22:34 PM by Christianus »

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 04:57:00 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc
Many Hindus believe Krishna lived around 3000 BCE.

I don't see how being older means being truer.
Hindus like to inflate their numbers, put a historic date here, then leave gaps hundreds or even thousands of years of unexplained history between their dates.
Why would I want to worship Krishna who supposedly created a caste system in which I might fall in as an untouchable, such a cruel fate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc7iiFPDbDc
Personally I believe that Christianity has a longer history of truth.
In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna states that the diversity of humanity comes from him. He doesn't state anything about creating the caste of "untouchables", nor about allowing one's parents' occupations determining one's future.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 05:08:31 PM by Jetavan »
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 05:10:04 PM »
What are you thoughts or experiences with Hinduism?
Sadly, I see California being affected by Hindu though on religions.
Hinduism is an ancient tradition, so naturally there will develop corruptions that need to be reformed. The history of Hinduism is a history of such constant reformation.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 06:14:07 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc
Many Hindus believe Krishna lived around 3000 BCE.

I don't see how being older means being truer.
Hindus like to inflate their numbers, put a historic date here, then leave gaps hundreds or even thousands of years of unexplained history between their dates.
Unlike Christians, who get their numbers from reliable sources like "Fast Facts" on the Internet.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 08:10:10 PM »
My studies concluded that Christianity via the old testament times is older than hinduism.
Hinduism 1500 bc, Abraham lived between 2000 bc and 1800 bc.
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/fastfacts.htm
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_origins_of_hebrew_race

some strange Hindu occurences/ beliefs like the rat temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0 ( people worshipping rats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeR1fOKv_A&feature=related ( hindu monks swear a life of never sitting down)
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html ( temple prostitution)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWjKZ3oIWE ( man marries dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkjiFHSDP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bxnQWTFQI (cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etfC-tpbI4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2892333.stm (human sacrifices, bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm bbc

the documentary on aghoris (flesh eating hindu cultists) I saw was pretty bad. Of course...Hindus despite their strange idolatrous practices are the most peaceful people I know (except the hindutva fascist types).
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 09:19:43 PM »
I think the main problem with this thread is that some are treating Hinduism as a single religion, when it's really more of a matrix of beliefs and practices shared by a bunch of different religions.

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 09:52:57 PM »
I think the main problem with this thread is that some are treating Hinduism as a single religion, when it's really more of a matrix of beliefs and practices shared by a bunch of different religions.

Yep.  "Hinduism", if we're going to reify that term, shouldn't be thought of as a singular religion, but perhaps rather as a religious paradigm, a theological framework, or a cultural continuum.

In many way the same is true of "Christianity", but I would venture to say that "it's" different cultural manifestations are even more varied than those of "Hinduism" in some respects.  Christianity appears more uniform in its monotheism, while the thousands of cults in Hinduism makes it look more varied.  But there simply is not a South African Hinduism, nor a Korean Hinduism.  It is largely confined to the way it functions in Indian society, while Christianity functions in almost all cultural settings in multiple forms.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 10:01:15 PM »

Hindus like to inflate their numbers, put a historic date here, then leave gaps hundreds or even thousands of years of unexplained history between their dates.

In other words, evolutionists would make great Hindus! ;D  (Sorry. I couldn't resist ;))


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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 11:19:02 PM »
(cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)

Wow, I didn't know they had Budweiser in India!  :laugh:
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 01:18:29 AM »
the cow manure has anti-septic properties though. Why some people smear it on skin. Hard to believe but true.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 12:03:49 PM »
I think the main problem with this thread is that some are treating Hinduism as a single religion, when it's really more of a matrix of beliefs and practices shared by a bunch of different religions.

Yep.  "Hinduism", if we're going to reify that term, shouldn't be thought of as a singular religion, but perhaps rather as a religious paradigm, a theological framework, or a cultural continuum.

In many way the same is true of "Christianity", but I would venture to say that "it's" different cultural manifestations are even more varied than those of "Hinduism" in some respects.  Christianity appears more uniform in its monotheism, while the thousands of cults in Hinduism makes it look more varied.  But there simply is not a South African Hinduism, nor a Korean Hinduism.  It is largely confined to the way it functions in Indian society, while Christianity functions in almost all cultural settings in multiple forms.
Christianity may be more varied than Hindusim in cultural manifestations, but would you say more varied also in theology?
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 01:13:35 PM »
Christianity may be more varied than Hindusim in cultural manifestations, but would you say more varied also in theology?

From the little bit I know about Hinduism/s, I would say that Christianity is not as theologically varied.  I think this has to do with a notion of the singularity of Truth in most of Christendom, which surrounds one incarnation of the one God.  On event, one God-man, at one time, for all time.

So we Christians may disagree on what that truth is exactly, but we all agree that there is One Truth in the person of Jesus Christ.

A huge portion of Christianity is at least theoretically united in their beliefs, if we just look at the Latins there are over a billion of them, and the Orthodox Catholics are 200,000,000 or maybe even more.  So even just those two account for a huge portion of Christendom that are theologically united into two groups, at least on paper.
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2010, 01:37:41 AM »
Hinduism comes from Proto-indo European.
so this means that Hellenism, Religio Romana, the slavic and germanic gods and Hinduism came from the same religion.
Hinduism might be replaced with monotheism like it was in Europe.
I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2010, 02:42:21 AM »
I think the main problem with this thread is that some are treating Hinduism as a single religion, when it's really more of a matrix of beliefs and practices shared by a bunch of different religions.

I think you're correct.  From my limited studies back in the day, "Hinduism" is really an umbrella term for all sorts of differing beliefs.  And I think Indians might prefer the words "Sanatan Dharma" rather than "Hinduism".  If I remember right, the Arabs called a person by the Indus river valley, a "Hindu".
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2010, 02:43:13 AM »
(cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)

Wow, I didn't know they had Budweiser in India!  :laugh:

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2010, 09:11:10 AM »
Hinduism comes from Proto-indo European.
so this means that Hellenism, Religio Romana, the slavic and germanic gods and Hinduism came from the same religion.
Hinduism might be replaced with monotheism like it was in Europe.
I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?
I have never heard the term "proto-Indo-European" used for anything other than a construct of a language (or small group of closely related languages) that existed way back when that eventually developed into most of the languages spoken across Europe and into northern India. It may also refer to a group of very loosely related people who spoke that language. I'm not aware that it has been used to describe the religion of those people. Of course, that does not preclude sharing of concepts between cultures that could easily lead to some similarities.

I don't know what you mean by your comment that "Hinduism might be replaced with monotheism like it was in Europe". If you are looking for historical origins of a religion, the monotheism that we know as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam come to us from the Semitic people, not the Indo-European.

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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 09:26:10 AM »
Hinduism comes from Proto-indo European.
so this means that Hellenism, Religio Romana, the slavic and germanic gods and Hinduism came from the same religion.
Hinduism might be replaced with monotheism like it was in Europe.
I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?

In truth, it is monotheistic.  There is only one god in Hinduism.  What we know as their "gods" are manifestations of that one god.  Where we Christians have one incarnation of God, Jesus, the Hindu have many.  Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Ganesha are all manifestations of that one god.  Like with Christianity, because we worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, we are not polytheistic.  Likewise, the Hindu see god in all mankind.  Are we not supposed to see the Image of Christ in all mankind?  Obviously, the details vary (considerably) between the various forms of Hinduism and Christianity, but the truth is that most Westerners really have a poor understanding of Hindu belief since most of it comes from some other Westerner's interpretation of it.  In talking with my Hindu friends, I find more commonality of belief than I was led to believe by studying the Western view of Hinduism.   
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2010, 11:52:33 AM »

I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?

Yeah, go talk to a Hindu, or read some books about Hinduism and then you'll have a better since of what Hinduism is and isn't. Hinduism really is hard to nail down. There is no set of "official teachings" or dogmas, and people are free to be devoted to one god, many gods, or no gods at all.

 From my reading, it seems to be that most of Hinduism is on some level  monotheistic, at least in philosophy anyways.  What Christians would call "God", Hindus call The Brahman, or the One, or the first cause, or as wikipedia puts it: the eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe.

Sounds sort of like some descriptions of the Christian God, albeit from the more mystical/apophatic traditions within Christianity to me.  Not that there are NO differences because there certainly are. But at least on a superficial level, most Hindus accept the Brahman as the "cause" of all, and that nothing not even the "gods" exist eternally apart from the Brahman. If I'm not mistaken I believe that the "gods" are in fact manifestations of this ultimate reality, or of this ultimate Creator God (The Brahman), because these manifestations, or avatars or whatever they're called are humanities only way of comprehending the Brahman.

The many gods were  once described to me by a one time Hindu as a prism reflecting the sunlight. It reflects light in hundreds maybe thousands of different ways, colors, small dots, large beams etc...but all these different reflections of light (the gods) are in fact all reflecting the very same ultimate reality/God/source of being (The Brahman). In Hinduism it's my understanding that each person chooses which color of beam to follow (using the prism analogy), some follow one, 3, 100 etc....Some Hindus have no problem accepting Jesus as one of these refractions of light coming through the prism either.

So I suppose in practice Hinduism could be considered "polytheistic", but in philosophy it's much closer to monotheism. I don't really think either definition is accurate though because Hinduism as others have said is not monolithic and there are so many schools of thought and practice that it would take 100 lifetimes to begin to understand Hinduism. ;) (get it, 100 lifetimes? :D)



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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2010, 11:58:29 AM »
Obviously, the details vary (considerably) between the various forms of Hinduism and Christianity, but the truth is that most Westerners really have a poor understanding of Hindu belief since most of it comes from some other Westerner's interpretation of it. 

Exactly. And a Western, often times Protestant Fundamentalist understanding of Hinduism, particular in America. Just like pretty much everything I was taught about Hinduism in my Fundie Protestant days (by Protestant pastors of course) was completely wrong.

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In talking with my Hindu friends, I find more commonality of belief than I was led to believe by studying the Western view of Hinduism.   

That's what I've found to. As I like to say, if you want to know what Hindus believe, go talk to a Hindu, not Pat Robertson. :)


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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2010, 12:19:19 PM »
Obviously, the details vary (considerably) between the various forms of Hinduism and Christianity, but the truth is that most Westerners really have a poor understanding of Hindu belief since most of it comes from some other Westerner's interpretation of it. 

Exactly. And a Western, often times Protestant Fundamentalist understanding of Hinduism, particular in America. Just like pretty much everything I was taught about Hinduism in my Fundie Protestant days (by Protestant pastors of course) was completely wrong.

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That's what I've found to. As I like to say, if you want to know what Hindus believe, go talk to a Hindu, not Pat Robertson. :)


Nonetheless, Pat is an expert on Haitian Vodou.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2010, 12:23:44 PM »

I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?

Yeah, go talk to a Hindu, or read some books about Hinduism and then you'll have a better since of what Hinduism is and isn't. Hinduism really is hard to nail down. There is no set of "official teachings" or dogmas, and people are free to be devoted to one god, many gods, or no gods at all.

 From my reading, it seems to be that most of Hinduism is on some level  monotheistic, at least in philosophy anyways....
"Polytheism" and "monotheism" are a bit misleading when applied to Hinduism, since "theos" has a different meaning in Hinduism. What Westerners call "god", Hindus call "deva" (masculine) or "devi" (feminine), which is not all-powerful being, but may be pretty powerful nonetheless. In functional terms, "deva" may be equivalent to "angel". Western Christians believe in many angels, and yet we don't call that belief "polytheistic".

The capital-G "God" in Christianity is analogous to "Brahman", which is Absolute Being, Consciousness, and Fullness. By definition, there can be only "one" Brahman.

(Of course, I'm speaking very generally here. There are many Hindu traditions and lineages.)
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 12:57:01 PM »
Hinduism comes from Proto-indo European.
so this means that Hellenism, Religio Romana, the slavic and germanic gods and Hinduism came from the same religion.
Hinduism might be replaced with monotheism like it was in Europe.
I've heard Hindus say that Hinduism is monotheistic (in truth it's polytheistic and pantheistic), but historically the pie religion was polytheistic.

Can anyone verify this?

In truth, it is monotheistic.  There is only one god in Hinduism.  What we know as their "gods" are manifestations of that one god.  Where we Christians have one incarnation of God, Jesus, the Hindu have many.  Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Ganesha are all manifestations of that one god.  Like with Christianity, because we worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, we are not polytheistic.  Likewise, the Hindu see god in all mankind.  Are we not supposed to see the Image of Christ in all mankind?  Obviously, the details vary (considerably) between the various forms of Hinduism and Christianity, but the truth is that most Westerners really have a poor understanding of Hindu belief since most of it comes from some other Westerner's interpretation of it.  In talking with my Hindu friends, I find more commonality of belief than I was led to believe by studying the Western view of Hinduism.   

I think this may be correct. This would be like calling Christianity Polytheistic because we believe in the existence of Demons, Angles and Saints...I dunno.. I may be stretching.
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2010, 11:58:23 PM »
Don't Hindus believe that God is the creator and the creation (which would be pantheism)?

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2010, 01:22:03 AM »
Don't Hindus believe that God is the creator and the creation (which would be pantheism)?

The major Hindu belief of Dvaita believes in a creator god, and individual deity Vishnu.  As such, they would not be truly pantheistic.  There are other branches of Hinduism that are more pantheistic, if not completely so.
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2010, 07:27:33 AM »
(cow urine drunk cause Hindu religion.)

Wow, I didn't know they had Budweiser in India!  :laugh:

You got that right, sister!  :D
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2010, 11:36:09 AM »
Don't Hindus believe that God is the creator and the creation (which would be pantheism)?

The major Hindu belief of Dvaita believes in a creator god, and individual deity Vishnu.  As such, they would not be truly pantheistic.
The Dvaita school is not pantheistic at all. It teaches a clear difference between Vishnu (the One Personal God) and the cosmos. It also teaches that eternal damnation will be the fate of some souls -- an idea held by some other Indian traditions as well (e.g., some Jain traditions).

No major Hindu tradition is "pantheistic". That is, no major Hindu tradition teaches that God, or the Divine, is merely to be equated with Nature.

The Advaita school is often accused of being pantheistic, but Advaita does not equate God with Nature in the fashion of Western materialism.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2010, 12:07:37 PM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
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Re: Hinduism
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2010, 12:44:34 PM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
Present everywhere and filling all things? I thought that was Orthodox Christianity. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2010, 12:53:59 PM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
That would be correct.
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2010, 01:48:24 AM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
That would be correct.
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2010, 08:13:22 AM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
That would be correct.
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.
Why be Hindu?
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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 09:43:03 AM »
I was reading recently that Hinduism is not pantheistic, but panentheistic, meaning, not that everything is  god, but that god is in everything? Is this correct?
That would be correct.
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

Because I believe that God became man in the person Jesus Christ, and that His death and Resurrection made possible my Salvation, not an eternal series of reincarnation.  I believe that we achieve unity with God through Baptism and the Sacraments and by God's Grace, not through a series of cycles.  Other than that, (and some visions and dreams) I would probably be either Taoist or Sikh.
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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2010, 10:52:39 AM »
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

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« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2010, 11:59:44 AM »
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

I can't give up my steaks.
According to the Manu Smriti (chp 5, verse 32), a Hindu may eat meat, as long as that meat is eaten with the Divine in mind.
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« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2010, 12:07:34 PM »
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

I can't give up my steaks.
According to the Manu Smriti (chp 5, verse 32), a Hindu may eat meat, as long as that meat is eaten with the Divine in mind.

Well, I was thinking of cows in particular, and I was under the impression that Hindus used cows for everything except meat?

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« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2010, 12:39:03 PM »
hmm I don't know why you all aren't Hindus, so please tell.

I can't give up my steaks.
According to the Manu Smriti (chp 5, verse 32), a Hindu may eat meat, as long as that meat is eaten with the Divine in mind.

Well, I was thinking of cows in particular, and I was under the impression that Hindus used cows for everything except meat?
That's true for many, or most, Hindus today, but there's evidence that earlier Hindus (c. 1000 BCE) did consume cattle: the Vedas speak of deities like Indra preferring particular sacrifices of cattle.

Cow-eating, and meat-eating in general, is a practice that gradually became forbidden for various reasons. One reason was probably the influence of Jainism and Buddhism. Another reason was probably due to the work of Krishna, who, it is said, rejected the idea of sacrificing animals for the Vedic deity Indra, and thus 'humbled' Indra.

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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2010, 03:57:17 AM »
Do hindus believe that we are all gods, or that when we find god in ourself that we become gods?
or something like that? I know that the new agers do.

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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2010, 09:29:37 AM »
Do hindus believe that we are all gods, or that when we find god in ourself that we become gods?
or something like that? I know that the new agers do.
Something like both of those. Hinduism is a polytheistic religion, and like most it does hold that it is possible for mortals to become gods, demi-gods, etc. In addition, the influence of Buddhism is profound, and so there is an element in which we must seek emptiness in order to attain such deification.
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2010, 09:46:11 AM »
Do hindus believe that we are all gods, or that when we find god in ourself that we become gods?
or something like that? I know that the new agers do.

Are you just randomly trying to assign different beliefs from different faith systems to Hinduism or are you honestly trying to learn more about the religion?
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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2010, 09:52:05 AM »
I have a question.

How does Orthodoxy address the salvation of people such as Hindu's, Bhuddists, Jainists, etc. I'm not talking about the 19 y.o kid in Santa Barbara, CA who becomes a Bhuddist because he thinks it's "cool."

These faith traditions have been around for thousands of years. Some claim to pre-date Judaism.

Many of the people living in the Far East have never been exposed to the truth of Christ.

So where does that leave them?

Also, if these faiths pre-date Judaism, why did God choose to reveal Himself to Abraham and his descendents?

I guess my question is, is there truth in any of these faith traditions? Has God revealed Himself through these other faiths?

I'm not sure there is an answer, but it's something I ponder as I have a lot of friends who are of different Eastern religions.

I mean, how are we to evangelize these folks?

"I know your religion is several thousand years older than mine, but it is false. Please reject the faith of both your family and your ancestors and accept Jesus Christ as your savior." ???

What do you guys think?
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