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I was reading this article on Photius at the Catholic Encyclopaedia. It just showed me how different one person can be considered in the RCC vs the OC. OK, so obviously everybody here loves Photius right? The Orthodox church position is that it was all the Pope's fault that the split happened and that Photius was a magnificent Saint. Well, read this Catholic biography of Photius  Wink:

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Photius of Constantinople, chief author of the great schism between East and West, was b. at Constantinople c. 815 (Hergenröther says "not much earlier than 827", "Photius", I, 316; others, about 810); d. probably 6 Feb., 897. His father was a spatharios (lifeguard) named Sergius. Symeon Magister ("De Mich. et Theod.", Bonn ed., 1838, xxix, 668) says that his mother was an escaped nun and that he was illegitimate. He further relates that a holy bishop, Michael of Synnada, before his birth foretold that he would become patriarch, but would work so much evil that it would be better that he should not be born. His father then wanted to kill him and his mother, but the bishop said: "You cannot hinder what God has ordained. Take care for yourself." His mother also dreamed that she would give birth to a demon. When he was born the abbot of the Maximine monastery baptized him and gave him the name Photius (Enlightened), saying: "Perhaps the anger of God will be turned from him" (Symeon Magister, ibid., cf. Hergenröther, "Photius", I, 318-19).These stories need not be taken seriously. It is certain that the future patriarch belonged to one of the great families of Constantinople; the Patriarch Tarasius (784-806), in whose time the seventh general council (Second of Nicæa, 787) was held, was either elder brother or uncle of his father (Photius: Ep. ii, P.G., CII, 609). The family was conspicuously orthodox and had suffered some persecution in Iconoclast times (under Leo V, 813-20). Photius says that in his youth he had had a passing inclination for the monastic life ("Ep. ad Orient. et Oecon.", P.G., CII, 1020), but the prospect of a career in the world soon eclipsed it.

He early laid the foundations of that erudition which eventually made him one of the most famous scholars of all the Middle Ages. His natural aptitude must have been extraordinary; his industry was colossal. Photius does not appear to have had any teachers worthy of being remembered; at any rate he never alludes to his masters. Hergenröther, however, notes that there were many good scholars at Constantinople while Photius was a child and young man, and argues from his exact and systematic knowledge of all branches of learning that he could not have been entirely self-taught (op. cit., I, 322). His enemies appreciated his learning.Nicetas, the friend and biographer of his rival Ignatius, praises Photius's skill in grammar, poetry, rhetoric, philosophy, medicine, law, "and all science" ("Vita S. Ignatii" in Mansi, XVI, 229). Pope Nicholas I, in the heat of the quarrel writes to the Emperor Michael III: "Consider very carefully how Photius can stand, in spite of his great virtues and universal knowledge" (Ep. xcviii "Ad Mich.", P.G., CXIX, 1030). It is curious that so learned a man never knew Latin. While he was still a young man he made the first draft of his encyclopædic "Myrobiblion". At an early age, also, he began to teach grammar, philosophy, and theology in his own house to a steadily increasing number of students.

His public career was to be that of a statesman, coupled with a military command. His brother Sergius married Irene, the emperor's aunt. This connexion and his undoubted merit procured Photius speedy advancement. He became chief secretary of State (protosekretis) and captain of the Life Guard (protospatharios). He was unmarried. Probably about 838 he was sent on an embassy "to the Assyrians" ("Myrobiblion", preface), i.e., apparently, to the Khalifa at Bagdad. In the year 857, then, when the crisis came in his life, Photius was already one of the most prominent members of the Court of Constantinople. That crisis is the story of the Great Schism (see GREEK CHURCH). The emperor was Michael III (842-67), son of the Theodora who had finally restored the holy images. When he succeeded his father Theophilus (829-842) he was only three years old; he grew to be the wretched boy known in Byzantine history as Michael the Drunkard (ho methystes). Theodora, at first regent, retired in 856, and her brother Bardas succeeded, with the title of Cæsar. Bardas lived in incest with his daughter-in-law Eudocia, wherefore the Patriarch Ignatius (846-57) refused him Holy Communion on the Epiphany of 857. Ignatius was deposed and banished (Nov. 23, 857), and the more pliant Photius was intruded into his place. He was hurried through Holy Orders in six days; on Christmas Day, 857,Gregory Asbestas of Syracuse, himself excommunicate for insubordination by Ignatius, ordained Photius patriarch. By this act Photius committed three offences against canon law: he was ordained bishop without having kept the interstices, by an excommunicate consecrator, and to an already occupied see. To receive ordination from an excommunicate person made him too excommunicate ipso facto.

After vain attempts to make Ignatius resign his see, the emperor tried to obtain from Pope Nicholas I (858-67) recognition of Photius by a letter grossly misrepresenting the facts and asking for legates to come and decide the question in a synod. Photius also wrote, very respectfully, to the same purpose (Hergenröther, "Photius", I, 407-11). The pope sent two legates, Rodoald of Porto and Zachary of Anagni, with cautious letters. The legates were to hear both sides and report to him. A synod was held in St. Sophia's (May, 861). The legates took heavy bribes and agreed to Ignatius's deposition and Photius's succession. They returned to Rome with further letters, and the emperor sent his Secretary of State, Leo, after them with more explanations (Hergenröther, op. cit., I, 439-460). In all these letters both the emperor and Photius emphatically acknowledge the Roman primacy and categorically invoke the pope's jurisdiction to confirm what has happened. Meanwhile Ignatius, in exile at the island Terebinth, sent his friend the Archimandrite Theognostus to Rome with an urgent letter setting forth his case (Hergenröther, I, 460-461). Theognostus did not arrive till 862. Nicholas, then, having heard both sides, decided for Ignatius, and answered the letters of Michael and Photius by insisting that Ignatius must be restored, that the usurpation of his see must cease (ibid, I, 511-16, 516-19). He also wrote in the same sense to the other Eastern patriarchs (510-11). From that attitude Rome never wavered: it was the immediate cause of the schism. In 863 the pope held a synod at the Lateran in which the two legates were tried, degraded, and excommunicated. The synod repeats Nicholas's decision, that Ignatius is lawful Patriarch of Constantinople; Photius is to be excommunicate unless he retires at once from his usurped place.

But Photius had the emperor and the Court on his side. Instead of obeying the pope, to whom he had appealed, he resolved to deny his authority altogether. Ignatius was kept chained in prison, the pope's letters were not allowed to be published. The emperor sent an answer dictated by Photius saying that nothing Nicholas could do would help Ignatius, that all the Eastern Patriarchs were on Photius's side, that the excommunication of the legates must be explained and that unless the pope altered his decision, Michael would come to Rome with an army to punish him. Photius then kept his place undisturbed for four years. In 867 he carried the war into the enemy's camp by excommunicating the pope and his Latins. The reasons he gives for this, in an encyclical sent to the Eastern patriarchs, are: that Latins

   1. fast on Saturday
   2. do not begin Lent till Ash Wednesday (instead of three days earlier, as in the East)
   3. do not allow priests to be married
   4. do not allow priests to administer confirmation
   5. have added the filioque to the creed.

Because of these errors the pope and all Latins are: "forerunners of apostasy, servants of Antichrist who deserve a thousand deaths, liars, fighters against God" (Hergenröther, I, 642-46). It is not easy to say what the Melchite patriarchs thought of the quarrel at this juncture. Afterwards, at the Eighth General Council, their legates declared that they had pronounced no sentence against Photius because that of the pope was obviously sufficient.

Then, suddenly, in the same year (Sept. 867), Photius fell. Michael III was murdered and Basil I (the Macedonian, 867-86) seized his place as emperor. Photius shared the fate of all Michael's friends. He was ejected from the patriarch's palace, and Ignatius restored. Nicholas I died (Nov. 13, 867). Adrian II (867-72), his successor, answered Ignatius's appeal for legates to attend a synod that should examine the whole matter by sending Donatus, Bishop of Ostia, Stephen, Bishop of Nepi, and a deacon, Marinus. They arrived at Constantinople in Sept., 869, and in October the synod was opened which Catholics recognize as the Eighth General Council (Fourth of Constantinople). This synod tried Photius, confirmed his deposition, and, as he refused to renounce his claim, excommunicated him. The bishops of his party received light penances (Mansi, XVI, 308-409). Photius was banished to a monastery at Stenos on the Bosphorus. Here he spent seven years, writing letters to his friends, organizing his party, and waiting for another chance. Meanwhile Ignatius reigned as patriarch. Photius, as part of his policy, professed great admiration for the emperor and sent him a fictitious pedigree showing his descent from St. Gregory the Illuminator and a forged prophecy foretelling his greatness (Mansi, XVI, 284). Basil was so pleased with this that he recalled him in 876 and appointed him tutor to his son Constantine. Photius ingratiated himself with everyone and feigned reconciliation with Ignatius. It is doubtful how far Ignatius believed in him, but Photius at this time never tires of expatiating on his close friendship with the patriarch. He became so popular that when Ignatius died (23 Oct, 877) a strong party demanded that Photius should succeed him; the emperor was now on their side, and an embassy went to Rome to explain that everyone at Constantinople wanted Photius to be patriarch. The pope (John VIII, 872-82) agreed, absolved him from all censure, and acknowledged him as patriarch.

This concession has been much discussed. It has been represented, truly enough, that Photius had shown himself unfit for such a post; John VIII's acknowledgment of him has been described as showing deplorable weakness. On the other hand, by Ignatius's death the See of Constantinople was now really vacant; the clergy had an undoubted right to elect their own patriarch; to refuse to acknowledge Photius would have provoked a fresh breach with the East, would not have prevented his occupation of the see, and would have given his party (including the emperor) just reason for a quarrel. The event proved that almost anything would have been better than to allow his succession, if it could be prevented. But the pope could not foresee that, and no doubt hoped that Photius, having reached the height of his ambition, would drop the quarrel.

In 878, then, Photius at last obtained lawfully the place he had formerly usurped. Rome acknowledged him and restored him to her communion. There was no possible reason now for a fresh quarrel. But he had identified himself so completely with that strong anti-Roman party in the East which he mainly had formed, and, doubtless, he had formed so great a hatred of Rome, that now he carried on the old quarrel with as much bitterness as ever and more influence. Nevertheless he applied to Rome for legates to come to another synod. There was no reason for the synod, but he persuaded John VIII that it would clear up the last remains of the schism and rivet more firmly the union between East and West. His real motive was, no doubt, to undo the effect of the synod that had deposed him. The pope sent three legates, Cardinal Peter of St. Chrysogonus, Paul, Bishop of Ancona, and Eugene, Bishop of Ostia. The synod was opened in St. Sophia's in November, 879. This is the "Psuedosynodus Photiana" which the Orthodox count as the Eighth General Council. Photius had it all his own way throughout. He revoked the acts of the former synod (869), repeated all his accusations against the Latins, dwelling especially on the filioque grievance, anathematized all who added anything to the Creed, and declared that Bulgaria should belong to the Byzantine Patriarchate. The fact that there was a great majority for all these measures shows how strong Photius's party had become in the East. The legates, like their predecessors in 861, agreed to everything the majority desired (Mansi, XVII, 374 sq.). As soon as they had returned to Rome, Photius sent the Acts to the pope for his confirmation. Instead John, naturally, again excommunicated him. So the schism broke out again. This time it lasted seven years, till Basil I's death in 886.

Basil was succeeded by his son Leo VI (886-912), who strongly disliked Photius. One of his first acts was to accuse him of treason, depose, and banish him (886). The story of this second deposition and banishment is obscure. The charge was that Photius had conspired to depose the emperor and put one of his own relations on the throne---an accusation which probably meant that the emperor wanted to get rid of him. As Stephen, Leo's younger brother, was made patriarch (886-93) the real explanation may be merely that Leo disliked Photius and wanted a place for his brother. Stephen's intrusion was as glaring an offence against canon law as had been that of Photius in 857; so Rome refused to recognize him. It was only under his successor Antony II (893-95) that a synod was held which restored reunion for a century and a half, till the time of Michael Cærularius (1043-58). But Photius had left a powerful anti-Roman party, eager to repudiate the pope's primacy and ready for another schism. It was this party, to which Cærularius belonged, that triumphed at Constantinople under him, so that Photius is rightly considered the author of the schism which still lasts. After this second deposition Photius suddenly disappears from history. It is not even known in what monastery he spent his last years. Among his many letters there is none that can be dated certainly as belonging to this second exile. The date of his death, not quite certain, is generally given as 6 February, 897.

That Photius was one of the greatest men of the Middle Ages, one of the most remarkable characters in all church history, will not be disputed. His fatal quarrel with Rome, though the most famous, was only one result of his many-sided activity. During the stormy years he spent on the patriarch's throne, while he was warring against the Latins, he was negotiating with the Moslem Khalifa for the protection of the Christians under Moslem rule and the care of the Holy Places, and carrying on controversies against various Eastern heretics, Armenians, Paulicians etc. His interest in letters never abated. Amid all his cares he found time to write works on dogma, Biblical criticism, canon law, homilies, an encyclopædia of all kinds of learning, and letters on all questions of the day. Had it not been for his disastrous schism, he might be counted the last, and one of the greatest, of the Greek Fathers. There is no shadow of suspicion against his private life. He bore his exiles and other troubles manfully and well. He never despaired of his cause and spent the years of adversity in building up his party, writing letters to encourage his old friends and make new ones.

And yet the other side of his character is no less evident. His insatiable ambition, his determination to obtain and keep the patriarchal see, led him to the extreme of dishonesty. His claim was worthless. That Ignatius was the rightful patriarch as long as he lived, and Photius an intruder, cannot be denied by any one who does not conceive the Church as merely the slave of a civil government. And to keep this place Photius descended to the lowest depth of deceit. At the very time he was protesting his obedience to the pope he was dictating to the emperor insolent letters that denied all papal jurisdiction. He misrepresented the story of Ignatius's deposition with unblushing lies, and he at least connived at Ignatius's ill-treatment in banishment. He proclaimed openly his entire subservience to the State in the whole question of his intrusion. He stops at nothing in his war against the Latins. He heaps up accusations against them that he must have known were lies. His effrontery on occasions is almost incredible. For instance, as one more grievance against Rome, he never tires of inveighing against the fact that Pope Marinus I (882-84), John VIII's successor, was translated from another see, instead of being ordained from the Roman clergy. He describes this as an atrocious breach of canon law, quoting against it the first and second canons of Sardica; and at the same time he himself continually transferred bishops in his patriarchate. The Orthodox, who look upon him, rightly, as the great champion of their cause against Rome, have forgiven all his offences for the sake of this championship. They have canonized him, and on 6 Feb., when they keep his feast, their office overflows with his praise. He is the "far-shining radiant star of the church", the "most inspired guide of the Orthodox", "thrice blessed speaker for God", "wise and divine glory of the hierarchy, who broke the horns of Roman pride" ("Menologion" for 6 Feb., ed. Maltzew, I, 916 sq.). The Catholic remembers this extraordinary man with mixed feelings. We do not deny his eminent qualities and yet we certainly do not remember him as a thrice blessed speaker for God. One may perhaps sum up Photius by saying that he was a great man with one blot on his character---his insatiable and unscrupulous ambition. But that blot so covers his life that it eclipses everything else and makes him deserve our final judgment as one of the worst enemies the Church of Christ ever had, and the cause of the greatest calamity that ever befell her.


These are veru strong allegations. Refutations?
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 12:27:44 PM »

I was reading this article on Photius at the Catholic Encyclopaedia. It just showed me how different one person can be considered in the RCC vs the OC. OK, so obviously everybody here loves Photius right? The Orthodox church position is that it was all the Pope's fault that the split happened and that Photius was a magnificent Saint. Well, read this Catholic biography of Photius  Wink:

No, its a Latin biography.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 01:28:05 PM »

The Catholic Encyclopedia article is older and outdated; St Photios is commemorated on the Byzantine Catholic Calendars now.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 05:23:58 PM »

I was reading this article on Photius at the Catholic Encyclopaedia. It just showed me how different one person can be considered in the RCC vs the OC. OK, so obviously everybody here loves Photius right? The Orthodox church position is that it was all the Pope's fault that the split happened and that Photius was a magnificent Saint. Well, read this Catholic biography of Photius  Wink:

These are veru strong allegations. Refutations?

I had a look in the Encyclopedia to see who the author was.  As I suspected it was Adrian Fortescue, a Roman Catholic priest in England who had converted from Anglicanism and became an Ultramontanist to the core.  He died in 1923.  He detested Orthodoxy and everything he writes is disparaging.  For a prime example, have a look at another article on his in the Encyclopedia, on Hesychasm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07301a.htm

In other words he has no integrity as a commentator on Orthodoxy subjects.  God rest him!
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 05:40:11 PM »

I have used the old encyclopedia profitably on aspects of Roman Catholic devotion, primarily skeptical "Bollandist" articles from Fr. Gregory Thurston. He upset critics who thought he had debunked too many of their favourite devotions and their divine origin (eg. Brown Scapular, Rosary). One author noted he was silent on the Sacred Heart of Jesus, which probably would have upset his Jesuit superiors, whose order was a promoter of the devotion.

Once, after visiting a Greek Orthodox church in London, Ontario, I felt the need to look up information on the Rite of Constantinople. I wonder if this passes muster at all. It's also Fortescue...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04312d.htm

I was curious enough to do some reading on the various Latin, Gallican and Mozaribic rites as well .

I had never read up on many of the other Byzantine topics in the Encyclopedia, but the section on Ukrainian Catholics made it clear that the Pope of Rome was not their Patriarch and that, by virtue of their separation from the Orthodox, they had no patriarch of their own either.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 05:44:30 PM »

All Orthodox (and even Catholics) should use caution when reading the New Advent encyclopedia.  It is an interesting, yet horribly outdated source for the RC taker on things. Back in the 60's, they published a revised Catholic encyclopedia with the updated Vatican II take on theology and ecumenism currently held by the RCC.  Unfortunately this encyclopedia is now out of print and one has to contend with the 1912 New Advent edition which Catholic Answers has deigned to put on line.

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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06744a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06772a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14051a.htm




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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 06:04:02 PM »

Was his ordination valid or not though?
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Once, after visiting a Greek Orthodox church in London, Ontario, I felt the need to look up information on the Rite of Constantinople. I wonder if this passes muster at all. It's also Fortescue...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04312d.htm


As a liturgist Fortescue passes muster.  As a commentator on Orthodoxy - thumbs down.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 06:20:44 PM »

Was his ordination valid or not though?

He was ordained to the priesthood on 27 March 1898 by Simon, Prince Bishop of Brixen.

My apologies for misleading people.  It was his father who was an Anglican clergyman and converted to Rome

http://www.latin-mass-society.org/priestscholar.htm
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 06:27:55 PM »

Once, after visiting a Greek Orthodox church in London, Ontario, I felt the need to look up information on the Rite of Constantinople. I wonder if this passes muster at all. It's also Fortescue...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04312d.htm


As a liturgist Fortescue passes muster.  As a commentator on Orthodoxy - thumbs down.

That's all I wanted to know. I love liturgical history and also the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 08:25:36 PM »

Was his ordination valid or not though?

Of course it was valid. 

St Photios's elevation was certainly unusual (from layman to patriarch in a matter of days), but there is no legitimate question it was valid.  Rome accepted St Photios as patriarch when he returned to the throne after Pat. Ignatius's death, and St Photios certainly hadn't been ordained again in the meantime. 

Character assassination of St Photios was pretty much the name of the game in the West for about 800 years.  Blaming the Great Schism on St Photios's supposed ambition, it prevented them from having to explain away the real causes of the controversy.  In reality St Photios was a humble, scholarly man who resisted being elected.  In his years of exile, he spent his time not amassing power, but instead writing and spreading the Orthodox faith.

For more information, you should read Francis Dvornik's book on the Photian Schism, which cuts through the nonsense.  Dvornik was an RC, for the record.
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Was his ordination valid or not though?

He was ordained to the priesthood on 27 March 1898 by Simon, Prince Bishop of Brixen.

My apologies for misleading people.  It was his father who was an Anglican clergyman and converted to Rome

http://www.latin-mass-society.org/priestscholar.htm

I was thinking it strange for you to say Fortescue was ant-orthodox. I mean, his books on the COE were pretty good (the "lesser" Eastern churches), also I read on the wikipedia article that he DEFENDED photius's learning. Was The individual who promoted photius to patriarch status excommunicated in the OC though?
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 10:59:48 PM »

If you want to learn about St. Photios and the Nicholaitian schism  Grin then check out St. Photios the Great by Fr. Asterios Gerostergios, available here: http://www.ibmgs.org/lives.html
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 11:56:08 PM »

I have been unable to see Photius accepted as a Saint in the COE (unlike many Greek-Western Saints like Mar John Chrysostom, Basil, Gregory, Eustathius, Flavian, Miletus, Athanasius, etc.):

http://books.google.com/books?id=cnURAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA92&dq=Flavian,+Gregory,+Basil,+John+[Chrysostom,]&cd=1#v=onepage&q=Flavian%2C%20Gregory%2C%20Basil%2C%20John%20[Chrysostom%2C]&f=false


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This might mean either that the COE is being diplomatic to the RCC, has not formed an opinion (unlikely), or that Photius did something wrong (ie: he was made patriarch in illegal circumstances via state support eliciting the schism). I find it hard that somebody who supposedly did lots of works to protect the Christians of the Middle East is not on the list. I will at the moment choose to respect Photius (because according to Mar Shimun the Filioque is an unscriptural addition to the creeds and wrong like Photius said) but also not regard him the equal of someone like Chrysostom, Basil, etc. (or Ephrem, Theodore, etc.) because I don't know if he used a relatively minor dispute of theology to start a very calamitous event in Christian history.
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