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"Never let anyone try to tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern. The West was fully Orthodox for a thousand years; and her venerable liturgy is far older than any of her heresies."
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2003, 06:40:31 PM » |
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Thanks for this link.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2003, 06:49:23 PM » |
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Wow that is the largest prosphora I have ever seen.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2003, 06:52:09 PM » |
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Well I have to admit I was a bit surprised - but there again I am RC - which is why the film is very useful.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2003, 06:52:43 PM » |
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I put the links on my blog today. Thanks.
And hello, Brigid - good to see you and happy birthday!
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2003, 06:59:40 PM » |
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Thanks very much, Serge. I went to see another film today, The Return of the King, but I think I'm on the wrong thread for that!
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2003, 07:11:01 PM » |
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The hellenophiles can enjoy this particularly good audio recording of the Divine Liturgy chanted in Greek. Conducted by Lycourgos Angelopoulos, and available from the G.O.A.'s website. Sadly, it is no longer distributed on C.D. http://realserver.goarch.org/ram/liturgy.ramIn IC XC Samer |
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2004, 04:46:51 PM » |
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the possibility of reforming the lectionary? Adding an Old Testament reading? Obviously, lectionaries designed for Western churches wouldn't work, as our liturgical year is VERY different.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2004, 07:25:55 PM » |
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I have always found it curious that the Byzantine Orthodox lectionary utilises very little OT readings during the year (usually only on the eves of important feasts, in my experience). In our Church, we read at least two OT readings before every Liturgy. What is the reason for the limited use of the OT in the Byzantine liturgy?
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2004, 08:30:33 PM » |
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I would not say the OT isn't used by the byzantine practice. Just the opposite, the OT is the basis for the services. There is a book that I havn't seen in some time now called the bible and the litrugy. It is a look at every single line of the Liturgy of St. John Crystosom and the how it relates to the bible.
Something else to keep in mind is that the bible is broken into more parts then just 2 (old and new). In the NT you have the Gospels, the Epistles, and Revelations. The epistles readings are regulated to just the Liturgy while the Gospel readings are found in the Liturgy and Orthros and in Compline during the first week of Lent and at the Agape Vespers. Revelations is never used as a reading during the services but elements from that book can be found embedded into the text of several of the services and prayers.
The OT is the most used in regards to using it for the text of the service. The Psalms are incorporated into every service. Then eintire is Psalter is actually said each and every week (twice during lent) during the complete cycle of services. The books of prophecy are used at at any feast of Saint where the polyeleos is prescribed, which is around 80 days of the years doing a quick count of the typikon. When these are read at Vespers there are usually at least 3 readings. During Vepsers of lent there is a reading from Genensis and a reading from Proverbs.
This is part of the reason the services outside of Liturgy are so important in the Orthodox Church.
Hope this helps.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2004, 02:20:09 AM » |
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Wow that is the largest prosphora I have ever seen.
Looks about normal to me; maybe a little more leavened than usual. I've seen them smaller AND larger yet. Wish I could see the stamp. The various traditions' stamps are a separate and interesting study. Demetri |
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