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« on: February 10, 2010, 07:43:20 PM » |
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Do you concider this gesture satanist? Do you have any info about the usage of the gesture by cradle Orthodox?
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 08:20:33 PM » |
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It's basically an imitation of the "devil horns" gesture, frequently seen at metal concerts.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 08:24:21 PM » |
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It's basically an imitation of the "devil horns" gesture, frequently seen at metal concerts.
I suppose it had been used before Dio started concerting. He didn't take it out of nothing. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 08:27:12 PM » |
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Don't they use that symbol in Texas?
Something about long-horn cattle?
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 08:37:14 PM » |
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When in doubt, consult Wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_hornsBlame Marvel Comics and Dr. Strange, or maybe the Beatles... It is identical to the Karana mudra of Eastern religions.
The sign of the horns was seen on the 1969 cartoon figure of John Lennon on the album cover of the Beatles' Yellow Submarine. Others say the figure was giving the American Sign Language sign for "love" (drawn incorrectly by the animators; the sign for "love" also has an extended thumb), as it would seem to make more sense with their material at the time, and the fact that the Beatles actually had little to do with this animated film. It was popularized in the early 80's by Ronnie James Dio, when he was a member of Black Sabbath and by Gene Simmons in the early 70's, who got it from child-hood heroes Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. It lives on in the legacy of many bands, particularly among heavy metal and hard rock bands.
This hand sign is commonly used by baseball players to remind each other that there are two outs in the inning. This practice was reportedly invented by catcher Elston Howard because the previously-used sign, an extended index finger and middle finger, was hard for outfielders to recognize from their distance from home plate. Historically the gesture was pointed at people suspected of being witches... Pointing the index and little finger at someone is a common Italian curse as well as an accusation of having an unfaithful wife. Fascinating section on heavy metal there as well. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 09:12:09 PM » |
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Historically the gesture was pointed at people suspected of being witches... Pointing the index and little finger at someone is a common Italian curse as well as an accusation of having an unfaithful wife. Do/did Greeks also use it in any way? |
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 09:51:23 PM » |
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"The Horns" is used as a gesture in various places and ways. It's a symbol used by followers of University of Texas teams (the Longhorns) when rooting/barracking for their team; the horns are always pointed to the sky. Pointing the Horns at someone is never a good idea unless you know the use of the genture in a particular culture.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 11:49:36 PM » |
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Ronnie James Dio has always said that he got this sign, called the "Corna", from his Italian grandmother as a way to ward off the evil eye (known in Southern Italy as "Malocchio").
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 03:10:46 AM » |
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Do/did Greeks also use it in any way?
Not as far as I know of. Greeks use the moutza, the forward thrusting of an open hand (or two hands, for the industrial-stength version), to signify complete contempt and insult. This gesture dates at least as far back as 2000 years. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 08:32:22 AM » |
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Do you concider this gesture satanist? No.  |
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 05:28:41 PM » |
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Do you concider this gesture satanist?
Depends on the context it's being used I suppose. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 05:33:56 PM » |
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Do you concider this gesture satanist?
If Penn State plays Univ. of Texas Longhorns, I will.  |
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 12:42:27 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2010, 01:18:38 AM » |
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Nope.
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