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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2003, 01:43:12 AM »

I didn't search out the info.  Banning is done based on # warnings/time period and is pretty formulaic in that respect so it doesn't really matter who threw the switch.  I would have to research the individual warnings and what gave rise to them.  I believe individual opinions and discussion on a poster by mods are privileged info.  You should have been notified of why you were warned on each occasion.
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2003, 04:46:47 AM »

They banned me without so much as an e-mail saying why.

Me, after specifically requesting the reason for my being banned, I was told that it was for trolling, ad hominem attack and publically airing grievances, none of which were true, I had simply ticked off one of the moderators IMO.

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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2003, 04:52:16 AM »

Br. Max -- real men drink Ouzo. In fact I am drinking some now and grilling some pork ribs outside

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Real Greeks drink Metaxa (5 or 7 Star) and give the ouzo to their protestant friends

You forgot about the Tsipouro, much better than ouzo. Of course there is good tsipouro and bad tsipouro. The last stuff I had was home made by a monks family on Mytilini (keeps looking better and better Tom Grin)

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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2003, 05:06:57 AM »


You forgot about the Tsipouro, much better than ouzo. Of course there is good tsipouro and bad tsipouro. The last stuff I had was home made by a monks family on Mytilini (keeps looking better and better Tom Grin)

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No, John, that's the "thimble stuff" I wrote about earlier. Knew how to say it but not spell it. Thanks. I had my first tsipouri in Thessaloniki in 1971. Fire-water to be sure Cheesy

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« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2003, 05:24:00 AM »

Fire-water to be sure Cheesy

Distilled twice IIRC.
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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2004, 07:28:35 PM »

Oblio: well I certainly did not get enough warnings in a short enough period of time to merit a MONTH long ban.  Thats what 3 in a week?
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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2004, 12:39:33 AM »

They banned me without so much as an e-mail saying why.

Me, after specifically requesting the reason for my being banned, I was told that it was for trolling, ad hominem attack and publically airing grievances, none of which were true, I had simply ticked off one of the moderators IMO.

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Incredible!

I remember your posting over there, John. You always erred on the side of courtesy, I thought.

I guess that place is just best forgotten.
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3 warnings over a span of 1 to 2 months, a 4 week suspension is mandated.

Just to be clear, prodromos and others were banned from 'christianity'.com , Br. Max is speaking of christianforums.com.  Two completely different places.
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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2004, 07:40:06 AM »

Two completely different places.

And how! Thank goodness for Erwin on Christian Forums.

Christianity.com seems to be run by rabid fundamentalists, many of whom are former Catholics with an axe to grind. It wasn't so bad when Fritzpw was chief moderator, but he hasn't been with Christianity.com for a while now.

Thanks for clearing up any potential confusion Oblio. Someone might have thought it was you I had ticked off Grin

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2004, 09:49:55 AM »

After reading their addendum to their TOS (see below), how can any Orthodox or Catholic person participate?  We are directly told we can not offer postions that disagree with Evangelical Protestant belief.  In otherwords any arguement that might expose their error is disallowed and if you sneek one through you will be banned.

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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2004, 10:12:53 AM »

They actually put a complete moratorium on discussion of Orthodoxy at one point, which to the best of my knowledge was never lifted. I don't think they had a clue about Orthodoxy and really didn't know how to handle us. We were describing an ancient Christian faith that was not Roman Catholic, yet was far from evangelical protestantism. We did not fit well with their historical world view Wink.

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« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2004, 01:45:19 PM »

Prodromos: Well you should know that Christian history ended after the apostles and was not rediscovered until Luther!
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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2004, 01:49:36 PM »

Snort! Most of them don't drink either...how can you trust someone like that! Fundies!
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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2004, 01:53:31 PM »

vicki: you can trues fundies.


You can trust them to:

not think about what they believe

Ignore history . . .

Interpret the Bible so as to be convenient to what they believe . . . .

Shrug off anything they do not want to believe as the traditions of men . . .

Tell you that when you prove the things they do not want to believe from scriptures that you have taken things out of context . . . .
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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2004, 01:54:23 PM »

Br Max there's a lot of Orthodox fit that description. Sad
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« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2004, 01:57:18 PM »

Br Max there's a lot of Orthodox fit that description. Sad

(coughing so as to sound like ROAC) Absolutely true. :saint:
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« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2004, 02:00:50 PM »

Good point Vicki

Unfortunatley, the militant fundies forgot that Jesus said that He will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

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« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2004, 02:02:45 PM »

Convenient forgetting is what Fundies do best....
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« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2004, 02:24:26 PM »





I think that most fundies today (apart from the hyper calvinists), are tired of being "denominational" christians, and desperatley want untiy; thus, the promise keepers movement is a perfect example of this.  It is the protestant attempt at christian unity; however, it has proven to fail in the long run because it is not the real solution to the problem.

A return home to the Orthodox church is clearly  the only thing that will bring about true christian unity; unfortunatley, the majority of evangelicals don't even know what the orthodox church is or what she believes.

As a former fundie, I remember years ago thinking that the orthodox church was just a greek catholic church without the pope and full of immagrants only.

I think that the field is ripe for harvest.  Thanks to the tracks put out by conciliar press and books such as "Becoming Othodox" by Fr. Peter Gillquist, The Orthodox faith is put before evangelicals in a language and terminolgy that they can understand, as well as de-fuse some of the confusion and myths incorrectly attributed to the faith.

These are just some of my thoughts

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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2004, 02:40:38 PM »

Excellent thoughts they are. Now, we just need to get you onto SINGLE-MALT whisky and complete your conversion! :bounce:

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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2004, 02:51:26 PM »

Well I was criticised on another thread for saying that we should target various groups, but this is exactly what I agree with. There is no point giving an evangelical some material that isn't written with evangelicals in mind. Likewise Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists etc. If we want them to gain some benefit from the full Gospel of Orthodoxy then we have to communicate not just speak. Thank God for Conciliar Press and other materials like that.
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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2004, 03:30:26 PM »

Single malt is my favorite and is better than blended of course. Glenfiddich is my favorite, it is just  too expinsive to buy all the time.  I reserve it for special occasions.

What is the consensus drink of the orthodox? I saw "My big fat greek wedding" and it looked like some kind of romana sambuka they were drinking.

Anyway- HOPA!

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« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2004, 03:31:46 PM »

PS-Good post Peter, I couldn't agree with you more.

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« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2004, 03:48:43 PM »

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Single malt is my favorite and is better than blended of course. Glenfiddich is my favorite, it is just too expinsive to buy all the time. I reserve it for special occasions

You are indeed welciome to the Board - a passion for good Single Malts is a pre-requisite for membership  Grin Grin You'll do fine here.

BTW waht do you use for seasoning the bag ? My husband always used treacle and whisky - but those were the days before the Flood Sad

If you haven't already realised , very few threads here do not include food and drink at some point  - dunno how it happens - it just does Huh
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« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2004, 03:51:09 PM »

Bagpiper...they were drinking Ouzo...
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« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2004, 04:39:53 PM »

Ah Proselytizing.
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« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2004, 04:42:19 PM »

Ah Proselytizing.

Whisky isn't a religion OUTSIDE of Scotland.
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« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2004, 09:55:36 PM »

Slave,

I don't use seasoning on my pipes because they are gortex bags (for both my highland pipes and my shuttle pipes). I do, however, regret getting highland pipes with a gortex bag. I think that  the leather bags are easier to play, although there are plenty of pipers who would disagree with me.

I'm glad to see another piper on this site. I also love your signature quote. Now is the time for Orthodoxy to rightfuly reclaim the west, for Orthodoxy is her real home.

Everyman dies, but not everyman really lives!!

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« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2004, 10:00:13 PM »

Vicki,

It sounds to me like you have some scottish blood flowing through those veins of yours. Is there a kilt in your closet and a copy of braveheart in your vcr?

Scots wah hae!!
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« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2004, 10:51:26 PM »

[ return home to the Orthodox church is clearly  the only thing that will bring about true christian unity; unfortunatley, the majority of evangelicals don't even know what the orthodox church is or what she believes.]

They don't even know what the Roman Catholic Church really believes, how do you expect them to know about Orthodoxy.  I see  alot of EO literature out and about geared towards fundies but I think Dn Peter is right communication needs to happen you can't just give out literature. When Sts Columba and Patrick went to convert their differnet groups of Celts they didn't hand out literature they really communicated!

[Now is the time for Orthodoxy to rightfuly reclaim the west]

Actually Rome's on her way to reclaiming those parts of the west we don't already have.  Give us time, then we'll turn eastward.  (I hope that didn't sound ominous)

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« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2004, 11:19:47 PM »

They don't even know what the Roman Catholic Church really believes, how do you expect them to know about Orthodoxy."-

- Of course there must be dialog, that's assumed; however, lituratre is very important because we live in a day and age in which most people can read and write. We also have access to the press machines in which the average person can read books. This was obviously not the case in the days St. Patrick and so fourth. These are different times that we are living in and we must make the most out of the media that we have have in order to advance the gospel. To refuse this would simply be foolish.

It would be great if there were more orthodox tv and radio stations.

"Actually Rome's on her way to reclaiming those parts of the west we don't already have.  Give us time, then we'll turn eastward.  (I hope that didn't sound ominous)"

Immigrants sticking to their own ethnic boundaries and frowning on others isn't going to advance the gospel one bit. If Rome is, in fact, reclaiming the west and the orthodox are not, especially in this day and age, then there is a serious problem. There is no reason, NO REASON AT ALL, why the orthodox cannot reclaim the west NOW! Espicially with all of the resources that are availible to us today.

I believe that the Antiochian orthodox church in particular are leading the way as far as evangelizing the west goes. (Speaking of Patrick and Columba), God bless Metropolitan Phillip Saliba! & Fr. Peter Gillquist! If it wasn't for these men, and their liturature, I would probably not be orthodox today.

The Orthodox church is the true home of Rome and all of her protestant daughters, and until they return home they shall be homesick and searchingdeep down.

I have an optimistic outlook on the future of the west, inparticularly protestants, coming home to Orthodoxy, and I think that this is an attitude that we should all have.

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Actually Rome's on her way to reclaiming those parts of the west we don't already have.  Give us time, then we'll turn eastward.  (I hope that didn't sound ominous)

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Ominous? Actually, those two statements are HILARIOUS!   :rofl:

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« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2004, 02:44:25 AM »

I'm neither homesick or searching Smiley
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« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2004, 08:20:39 AM »

[Ominous? Actually, those two statements are HILARIOUS! ]

Oh Demetri!  Grin  I just forgot to put in the little smiley icon.  Of course Rome has no "imperial" ambitions as far as the east goes.  But please do forward me your home address so when we do take over I'll be sure the Holy Office leaves you alone.  Grin

[If Rome is, in fact, reclaiming the west and the orthodox are not, especially in this day and age, then there is a serious problem.]

Funny I don't see  a problem.

[The Orthodox church is the true home of Rome and all of her protestant daughters, and until they return home they shall be homesick and searchingdeep down. ]

Actually Rome's true home is Rome.  I don't remember the Pope looking too homesick.  Or come to think of it neither was Teresa of Calcutta, Pio, etc.  As far as the Protestants being Rome's daughters...........Well then I invoke our parental rights.........so please leave our kids alone.  

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« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2004, 08:40:35 AM »

[Ominous? Actually, those two statements are HILARIOUS! ]

Oh Demetri!  Grin  I just forgot to put in the little smiley icon.  Of course Rome has no "imperial" ambitions as far as the east goes.  But please do forward me your home address so when we do take over I'll be sure the Holy Office leaves you alone.  Grin

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« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2004, 08:49:44 AM »

[{"And they call themselves Christians", yeah, right...}]

Actually we call ourselves Catholics!

How's that for triumphalism!   Wink

Now that I think about it I'd like to retract what I said earlier.  I had a parent's typical overprotectiveness.  The girls are all old enough (at 500 yrs I hope so)to make up their own minds now.  So have at it.  Just be gentle with Cantuari she's going through a rough time, we hope she'll come home.  Geneva and Lutherina are just so fractious.  Genny wears black and white all the time and she'd always saying she's predestined to go someplace.  Lutey just sits around drinking coffee.  As far as Fundamentia, well what can I say, she's the youngest and always thinks she's right.  Why not have a crack at her and leave the others alone.

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« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2004, 02:16:23 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2004, 02:17:04 PM »

Carpo,

I thought you were Orthodox, sorry for the missunderstanding, i'm new to the board; therefore, most of my previous commnents need not apply to you. In fact, I hope that you don't hand out any RC liturature at all.

God belss

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« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2004, 02:30:49 PM »

A thought about the Roman Catholic mass..........

On my search for the Historic "New testament church", I , like many people, make a pit stop in the episcopal church while we were on our journey. It trying to decide between Orthodxy and Roman catholicism, I would occasionally  go to the various services of both churches.

One thing that clearly stuck out to me between the orthodox divine liturgy, the  Anglo-Catholic mass and the Roman Catholic mass, was that the RC mass was entierly un-impressive.

Almost all of the various catholic churches I went to looked like neo protestant churches, with no sence of majesty at all.

No incense, no icons, no guard rails...........a crucifix at best.

I heard one Orthodox priest who used to be an anglican priest say that when any anglican clergy started to get "Roman fever (the urge to bolt to the RC church)", all he had to do was attend a Roman mass, and he was cured becaue of how unimpressive it was.

I felt the same way (as I have heard the same thing from many others).

One thing I love about the divine liturgy in the Orthodox church, is the sense of heaven and earth connecting. I never get tired of it.

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« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2004, 02:40:56 PM »

Jake

[In fact, I hope that you don't hand out any RC liturature at all.]

As a matter of fact I do.  Grin

[One thing that clearly stuck out to me between the orthodox divine liturgy, the  Anglo-Catholic mass and the Roman Catholic mass, was that the RC mass was entierly un-impressive.]

Always nice to judge by externals.  Roll Eyes

[no icons]

Not our tradition, we go in for statues.

[I heard one Orthodox priest who used to be an anglican priest say that when any anglican clergy started to get "Roman fever (the urge to bolt to the RC church)", all he had to do was attend a Roman mass, and he was cured becaue of how unimpressive it was.]

You coulda fooled me from all the Anglican converts we get. Not that we should play the numbers game.


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[PS- Patrick and Columba were Orthodox]

They'd both be shocked to hear that.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2004, 02:50:36 PM »

guys the catholic vs orthodx threads are down the hall.  TY
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« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2004, 03:53:52 PM »

Vicki,

It sounds to me like you have some scottish blood flowing through those veins of yours. Is there a kilt in your closet and a copy of braveheart in your vcr?

Scots wah hae!!

Not a drop of Scots blood, pure Greek, but who doesn't love a man in a kilt! (Confess to copy of Braveheart, of course! A favorite! ) Love a good single malt, and have read much Scottish History and legends...and do not believe the words of a friend who persists in saying that bagpipe music sounds like someone squeezing a cat with straws stuck up its nostrils....Fortunately for me, as my neighbor is a bagpiper... Grin

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« Reply #87 on: January 03, 2004, 03:56:30 PM »

I'm neither homesick or searching Smiley

Perhaps you should be searching for a GRAMMAR book....

neither.....NOR.... Grin
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« Reply #88 on: January 03, 2004, 04:46:50 PM »

vicki: oh just go play with your men in skirts! Tongue
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« Reply #89 on: January 03, 2004, 05:23:26 PM »

Now then Br Max

Just remember that those men in skirts playing pipes - during the war - put the fear of God into all those who heard the skirl of the pipes.
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