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Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« on: February 06, 2010, 07:11:36 PM »

Is it permitted in any of the Orthodox or Byzantine Catholic Churches?


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 01:06:26 AM »

Quote from: Patriarch Noah I on February 06, 2010, 07:11:36 PM

Is it permitted in any of the Orthodox or Byzantine Catholic Churches?

What do you mean by kamilavka, that term is used for a variety of hats in different traditions?


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 03:20:28 AM »

i would guess the answer depended on jurisdiction..eo or oo..? you mileage may vary..however at the end of the day it is just a hat! some bishops forbid any clergy from wearing clerical hats.


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 10:32:56 AM »

That kind of kamilavka.


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 11:37:49 AM »

Quote from: Patriarch Noah I on February 07, 2010, 10:32:56 AM

That kind of kamilavka.

The late (married) deacon at the OCA cathedral had one.


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 03:37:10 PM »

Quote from: Patriarch Noah I on February 07, 2010, 10:32:56 AM

That kind of kamilavka.

This would not be appropriate for a Subdeacon to wear since it comes from the Russian tradition and only a proto or Arch Deacon can be given a blessing to wear a red hat like this.


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 08:33:16 PM »

Quote from: arimethea on February 07, 2010, 03:37:10 PM

This would not be appropriate for a Subdeacon to wear since it comes from the Russian tradition and only a proto or Arch Deacon can be given a blessing to wear a red hat like this.

What about a black one?


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Re: Use of the kamilavka by a Subdeacon.

« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 12:44:35 AM »

Quote from: Patriarch Noah I on February 07, 2010, 08:33:16 PM

Quote from: arimethea on February 07, 2010, 03:37:10 PM

This would not be appropriate for a Subdeacon to wear since it comes from the Russian tradition and only a proto or Arch Deacon can be given a blessing to wear a red hat like this.

What about a black one?

Unless they are a tonsured monastic or a Deacon, Priest or Bishop then they should not be wearing a hard hat if they are following the Russian tradition.