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« on: February 01, 2010, 09:25:37 PM » |
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I have jst constructed my first icon corner. I have icons of Christ, Theotokos, and my patron Saint, Tikhon of Moscow. are there any others that I should get? I am thinking of getting one of the Holy Trinity. any ideas? special saints?
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 09:29:54 PM » |
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St. Mark of Ephesus making the pope bow and kiss his feet and grovel before him!  Just kidding. Maybe go with a saint that has a special place for you in some way? For example, I have icons of St. James of Jerusalem (mostly my connection with him is because of his epistle, which really resonates with me) and St. Gregory the Theologian (my favorite saint). Neither are my patron saint, but both have had a positive impact on me through their life and/or writings. |
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 09:37:30 PM » |
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what a good idea! I'll definatly want one of the Romanovs, their story alwayse really gets to me. and I want one of Moses. I have loved his story since I was a baby.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 09:57:37 PM » |
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It is never a bad idea to try and have some festal icons. I personally like our icon of the ladder of divine ascent a great deal. It is a good daily reminder of the process of sanctification that we walk each day. We recently picked up an icon of creation of the stars that I think is quite beautiful.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 10:05:45 PM » |
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It is never a bad idea to try and have some festal icons. I personally like our icon of the ladder of divine ascent a great deal. It is a good daily reminder of the process of sanctification that we walk each day. We recently picked up an icon of creation of the stars that I think is quite beautiful.
I am quite firmilliar with the ladder of divine ascent. the first time I saw it in church, I had a feeling I'd seen it somewhere before. I still get that feeling. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 12:14:47 AM » |
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Christ IS in our Midst!!!
Howbout an Icon of the guardian angel or the patron of your parish? just a thought.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 12:16:18 AM » |
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Perhaps an Archangel?
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 12:31:47 AM » |
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 01:37:35 AM » |
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Hello. What do you all think of the San Damiano cross hanging above my first icon corner? I wonder if it's apropreat. I know it's not the three-bar cross. But my parish doesn't sell a larger Orthodox cross. and I figure that it is in icon-style. opinions, please. here is the wikipedia for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Damiano_cross |
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 01:45:30 AM » |
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What do you all think of the San Damiano cross hanging above my first icon corner? I wonder if it's appropriate. I know it's not the three-bar cross. But my parish doesn't sell a larger Orthodox cross. and I figure that it is in icon-style. opinions, please. I had the same kind of technical concerns about this cross last year, but there's nothing unorthodox about it. It is actually likely of eastern origin. Everything about it expresses perfectly Orthodox theology. I have one in my icon corner. Just so you know, the three-barred cross is normal in Russian Orthodoxy, but it's not as if you are somehow bound to have one of those kind of crosses. It's not "indigenous" to the Greek church, nor is it the norm for them. Just use whatever cross you want to. A cross is a cross, as long as it's not bent. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 01:50:36 AM » |
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I've always wanted a San Damiano cross - not sure why I don't have one as I have several styles; Celtic, Russian, Latin, Byzantine, Ethiopian. And I'm still collecting.  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 01:54:01 AM » |
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I think the San Damiano cross is of Latin origin, more specifically was originally in the hands of Francis of Assisi. However, I think I read that it was made around the 12th Century, which would put it after the traditional schism date (1054), but well before the Schism was finalized in 1204. So I think it would be totally Orthodox.
Anyway, I'd say it's okay. Our church has one hanging in the bookstore (not for sale though), and I wore one through high school up until I was baptized and begun wearing my baptismal cross. The San Damiano cross is beautiful and I don't think ther is anything actually unOrthodox about it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 09:43:55 PM » |
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St. Mark of Ephesus making the pope bow and kiss his feet and grovel before him! You mean this one?  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 10:06:49 PM » |
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and I want one of Moses. I think that's an awesome idea. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 10:39:23 PM » |
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St. John the Baptist is a must imho. Christ in the middle, the Virgin Mother on the left, St. John on the right.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 10:54:55 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 11:10:55 AM » |
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You probably don't need anymore icons.  |
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2012, 11:24:13 AM » |
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 11:28:12 AM » |
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You've got to be kidding me. *facepalm* |
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 10:11:23 PM » |
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You've got to be kidding me. *facepalm* Alpo, that image is not an icon, but a piece of ecclesiopolitical propaganda. The inclusion of a grovelling pope is completely unnecessary, and completely against what iconography is and stands for. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 11:00:06 PM » |
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You've got to be kidding me. *facepalm* Alpo, that image is not an icon, but a piece of ecclesiopolitical propaganda. The inclusion of a grovelling pope is completely unnecessary, and completely against what iconography is and stands for. I agree. For somebody like me that tithers in and out of agreement and disagreement with iconography, icons laced in (worded best) "ecclesiopolitical" propaganda are an enormous slap down to me. Through my struggles of understanding on this issue, the "true intent" of iconography is the only thing I can cling to. I can not accept something like this as an icon. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2012, 05:04:42 PM » |
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You've got to be kidding me. *facepalm* Alpo, that image is not an icon, but a piece of ecclesiopolitical propaganda. The inclusion of a grovelling pope is completely unnecessary, and completely against what iconography is and stands for. Thanks. That's what I thought too. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 07:12:37 AM » |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 07:37:03 AM » |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
Think what you like, but it's been an Orthodox Icon for centuries before you and will be an Orthodox Icon after you are worm food. Just because such imagery has existed for a long time doesn't automatically make it canonical, any more than God the Father as an old man, or Christ as an androgynous winged angel are proper icons. Or, indeed, "icons" of "saint" Tsar Ivan IV (yes, they do exist, and some are centuries-old). |
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 07:45:44 AM » |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
Think what you like, but it's been an Orthodox Icon for centuries before you and will be an Orthodox Icon after you are worm food. Thanks for polite way of expressing a disagreement. |
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2012, 07:54:32 AM » |
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Just because such imagery has existed for a long time doesn't automatically make it canonical, any more than God the Father as an old man, or Christ as an androgynous winged angel are proper icons. Or, indeed, "icons" of "saint" Tsar Ivan IV (yes, they do exist, and some are centuries-old).
And the arbiter of what constitutes a "canonical" icon is your good self is it? Could you point me to the canons which you use to decide that this Icon of St. Markos Eugenikos is "uncanonical"? |
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2012, 08:01:31 AM » |
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Just because such imagery has existed for a long time doesn't automatically make it canonical, any more than God the Father as an old man, or Christ as an androgynous winged angel are proper icons. Or, indeed, "icons" of "saint" Tsar Ivan IV (yes, they do exist, and some are centuries-old).
And the arbiter of what constitutes a "canonical" icon is your good self is it? Could you point me to the canons which you use to decide that this Icon of St. Markos Eugenikos is "uncanonical"? For a start, may I remind you of this post of yours: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11209.msg151977.html#msg151977In particular, this excerpt from it: The problem that I have with such depictions is that it doesn't fully convey a spiritual truth, because
a) it demonizes people, and
b) it seems to express a belief in dualism- i.e, that the battle between Good and Evil is somehow evenly pitched and could go either way.
I think it would be better if it showed the Ark of the Church triumphing over demons trying to attack her and the personification of Hades, in accordance with Christ's promise in the Gospel.
And being based on a 17th century prototype is no guarantee of Orthodox Iconography. There are 17th century Icons depicting St. Christopher with the head of a dog: And this post of mine, from the same thread, which can be easily applied also to the problematic image discussed on this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11209.msg297730.html#msg297730 |
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2012, 08:23:23 AM » |
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Oh I see. So I am the Canonical Authority you use to decide what is and isn't canonical.
Thank you for the honour, but I was kind of hoping for something a bit more substantial than me.
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2012, 08:28:26 AM » |
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Oh I see. So I am the Canonical Authority you use to decide what is and isn't canonical.
Thank you for the honour, but I was kind of hoping for something a bit more substantial than me.
I am simply pointing out the inconsistency of your present argument. Hoist by your own petard. It seems to me that you are simply spoiling for a fight with me, which wouldn't be the first time. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2012, 10:28:50 AM » |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2012, 10:49:25 AM » |
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This thread reminds me of trading Dragon Ball cards they put in Chio Chips...
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2012, 10:51:33 AM » |
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I have jst constructed my first icon corner. I have icons of Christ, Theotokos, and my patron Saint, Tikhon of Moscow. are there any others that I should get? I am thinking of getting one of the Holy Trinity. any ideas? special saints?
My vote is - easy . It's like picture of someone close to you. Someday you'll meet a new important one in your life and you'll want the icon to remind of his presence, but for now if you don't personally have a need, just a feeling of creating (which is good feeling, by the way), what you have is absolutely complete. |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
Think what you like, but it's been an Orthodox Icon for centuries before you and will be an Orthodox Icon after you are worm food. Thanks for polite way of expressing a disagreement. I can't believe Nick didn't post this one earlier. IT. IS. EPIC. |
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Thanks. That's what I thought too.
Think what you like, but it's been an Orthodox Icon for centuries before you and will be an Orthodox Icon after you are worm food. Thanks for polite way of expressing a disagreement. I can't believe Nick didn't post this one earlier. IT. IS. EPIC. Yeah I saw it an decided not to. It reminds me of this one of Saint Joseph of Petrograd stepping on Sergius  |
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