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« on: January 30, 2010, 12:17:26 PM » |
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Out of curiosity, does anyone here have access to the monoenergist "Nine Chapters" AKA the "Pact of Union" formulated by Patriarch Cyrus?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 02:00:07 PM » |
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I split this off from the "One will" thread, to make it more visible and to increase the possibility of it being seen and answered by someone who has access to that document. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,25645.0.html#lastPost |
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 02:03:28 PM » |
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Thanks, Salpy. I believe an English translation of them is available in the book Sophronius of Jerusalem and Seventh-Century Heresy, by Pauline Allen. It's one of those uber-scholarly books that runs for about $100 though!
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 02:06:11 PM » |
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Much of it seems to be available on books.google.com. Search for the book salpy mentions and then look in contents.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 02:07:29 PM » |
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Thanks, Salpy. I believe an English translation of them is available in the book Sophronius of Jerusalem and Seventh-Century Heresy, by Pauline Allen. It's one of those uber-scholarly books that runs for about $100 though!
$100.00? Goodness gracious. How do they expect anyone to buy it? |
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 02:27:43 PM » |
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Fr. Peter- I looked at the google books version and the page containing the last few theses is missing...  I suspect that's where the juicy bits about energies would be. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 02:29:04 PM » |
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There appears to be only one page missing, but the preceding page gives the text in Greek.
I wonder if anyone could translate?
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 01:27:15 AM » |
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consistent with the translation: http://books.google.com/books?id=_d0mx7Di1QkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Sophronius+of+Jerusalem+and+Seventh-Century+Heresy&cd=1#v=snippet&q=together&f=false[....and that one and the same Christ and Son performed things befitting God and things human] by one theandric activity, according to Dionysios [now] among the saints, distinguishing in contemplation alone the elements from which the union came about, and mentally considering these as remaining without change and without confusion after their natural and hypostatic union, and recognizing in these the one and the same Christ and Son without confusion and without separation, as he mentally considers the two to be brought together mutually without confusion, holding the contemplation of them as a matter of reality and not of lying illusion, but he does not seperate them in any way, since the rending into two has already been undone because of the union which is ineffable and unconfused and inconceivable, saying according to holy Athanasius: "At the one time is flesh, at the one time is the flesh of God the Word; at the one time there is flesh ensouled and rational, at the one time there is the flesh of God the Word endowed with a rational soul;' but takes such an expression as dividing into parts, let him be anathema. Article of Faith VIII If someone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedoinius, Apollinaris the hereitc, Nestorius, Eutyches of ill-repute, and Cyrus and John and Aegeotas and all who in whatever way, contradict the Twelve Chapters of the most holy Cyrill, and do not repent, but die in such error, and those who thought or think like them, let him be anathema. Article of Faith IX If someone does not anathematize the writings of Theodoret which are contrary to the right Faith of Cyril [now] among the saints, and the so-called Letter of Ibas, and Theodore of Mopsuestia and his writings, and if someone does not accept the writings of holy Cyril, and especially those against Thedore and Theodoret, and Andrew, and Nestorius and those who have thought or think like them or one of them, let him be anathema. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 06:25:24 PM » |
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consistent with the translation: http://books.google.com/books?id=_d0mx7Di1QkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Sophronius+of+Jerusalem+and+Seventh-Century+Heresy&cd=1#v=snippet&q=together&f=false[....and that one and the same Christ and Son performed things befitting God and things human] by one theandric activity, according to Dionysios [now] among the saints, distinguishing in contemplation alone the elements from which the union came about, and mentally considering these as remaining without change and without confusion after their natural and hypostatic union, and recognizing in these the one and the same Christ and Son without confusion and without separation, as he mentally considers the two to be brought together mutually without confusion, holding the contemplation of them as a matter of reality and not of lying illusion, but he does not seperate them in any way, since the rending into two has already been undone because of the union which is ineffable and unconfused and inconceivable, saying according to holy Athanasius: "At the one time is flesh, at the one time is the flesh of God the Word; at the one time there is flesh ensouled and rational, at the one time there is the flesh of God the Word endowed with a rational soul;' but takes such an expression as dividing into parts, let him be anathema. Article of Faith VIII If someone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedoinius, Apollinaris the hereitc, Nestorius, Eutyches of ill-repute, and Cyrus and John and Aegeotas and all who in whatever way, contradict the Twelve Chapters of the most holy Cyrill, and do not repent, but die in such error, and those who thought or think like them, let him be anathema. Article of Faith IX If someone does not anathematize the writings of Theodoret which are contrary to the right Faith of Cyril [now] among the saints, and the so-called Letter of Ibas, and Theodore of Mopsuestia and his writings, and if someone does not accept the writings of holy Cyril, and especially those against Thedore and Theodoret, and Andrew, and Nestorius and those who have thought or think like them or one of them, let him be anathema. What's so un-Orthodox about this statement? It affirms the integrity of both a Divine and Human energy in Christ where the two energies are distinguished only in careful contemplation. Why was this passage condemned, or am I mistaken? |
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 01:56:53 PM » |
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^Well?  |
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 08:36:53 AM » |
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^Well? Severian, You may want to read through this to get a better picture of the controversy. http://fds.oup.com/www.oup.com/pdf/13/9780198299912.pdfIts part of the intro from Pauline Allan's book, Maximus the Confessor and his Companions Documents from Exile. http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780198299912.doThis stuff is way over my head, but I think it'll be helpful to you. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 09:52:41 AM » |
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^Thank you very much.
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