Topic: Greek Battle over Religious Symbols - BBC News

[Irish Hermit]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/video_and_audio/8423027.stm

The head of the Greek Orthodox Church has warned the country's new socialist government that it faces a major battle over removing religious symbols from schools.

The European Court in Strasbourg has ordered Italy to take down crucifixes from its classrooms, and Greece's justice minister has acknowledged that it may have to follow suit. From Lamia in Central Greece, Malcolm Brabant reports.

[Apostolos]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/video_and_audio/8423027.stm

The head of the Greek Orthodox Church has warned the country's new socialist government that it faces a major battle over removing religious symbols from schools.

The European Court in Strasbourg has ordered Italy to take down crucifixes from its classrooms, and Greece's justice minister has acknowledged that it may have to follow suit. From Lamia in Central Greece, Malcolm Brabant reports.

Another sensationalistic article on behalf of the BBC (no wonder). The boys and girls in the Greek department of "the Helsinki Watch" tried to stir things up for publicity. The judges ruled out that when it comes to ethos and customs, court is unqualified to hear the case. Therefore, crucifixes (and icons) stay in classrooms.

[Irish Hermit]

Another sensationalistic article on behalf of the BBC (no wonder). The boys and girls in the Greek department of "the Helsinki Watch" tried to stir things up for publicity. The judges ruled out that when it comes to ethos and customs, court is unqualified to hear the case. Therefore, crucifixes (and icons) stay in classrooms.

Here is an up-to-date report, 21 January 2010.

"The European Parliament will not be voting on the European Court of Human Rights decision to ban crucifixes in Italian classrooms..."

http://www.di-ve.com/Default.aspx?ID=72&Action=1&NewsId=68730&newscategory=31

A google.com search reveals no information that the European Court has reversed or abandoned its decision.  Instead there are reports in the last few days of various European countries taking action to appeal the ban.  Could you provide more information?  It will be wonderful to see evidence that this decision has been annulled.

[Apostolos]

Another sensationalistic article on behalf of the BBC (no wonder). The boys and girls in the Greek department of "the Helsinki Watch" tried to stir things up for publicity. The judges ruled out that when it comes to ethos and customs, court is unqualified to hear the case. Therefore, crucifixes (and icons) stay in classrooms.

Here is an up-to-date report, 21 January 2010.

"The European Parliament will not be voting on the European Court of Human Rights decision to ban crucifixes in Italian classrooms..."

http://www.di-ve.com/Default.aspx?ID=72&Action=1&NewsId=68730&newscategory=31

A google.com search reveals no information that the European Court has reversed or abandoned its decision.  Instead there are reports in the last few days of various European countries taking action to appeal the ban.  Could you provide more information?  It will be wonderful to see evidence that this decision has been annulled.

I apologise, I think I misunderstood. The Greek department of the Helsinki Watch, immediately after the ECHR ruling (Complaint Nr 30814/06, Lautsi vs Italy) that forbade the use of religious symbols in Italian classrooms, was made public, tried to take advantage of the situation and made a complaint to the Athens three-member Court of Appeals which called for a similar ruling to be applied to Greece too. The 3 Greek judges ruled out that when it comes to ethos and customs, Court of Appeals is unqualified to hear the case (nullum crimen sine lege: there's no crime without law). Therefore, crucifixes (and icons) stay in classrooms. The Lautsi case was also brought for discussion into the European Parliament (by the European Left and the Greens who tried to pass it as law in the European Union). Surprise-surprise, by a vast majority, the attempt by the members of the Left and the Greens, failed. The EP voted against even to discuss it. So, it's up to each country-member of the EU, either to comply or to appeal. I'm pretty sure that Italy and Poland, perhaps Eire too, will appeal against the November 3, ECHR decision (I do not know what Greece & Cyprus will do. I think we will "silently" encourage non-compliance).     

[Irish Hermit]

Could the secularists demand that the Cross be removed from the Greek flag?    Should Greece be required to adopt a non-religious flag?  Great Britain too?

[Irish Hermit]

And something a little heartening...


Why the sign of Our Lady reigns over Europe

When secularists parade with the European Union flag they are unwittingly honouring the Holy Virgin Mary !!!

".... Arsène Heitz, the flag’s designer, acknowledged in a 2008 interview that he derived the design of a circle of 12 golden stars from the Book of Revelation. As Heitz was considering a design to submit for the EU, he was reading the history of the Blessed Virgin’s apparitions in Paris’ Rue du Bac, known today as the Virgin of the Miraculous Medal. In fact, he belonged to the Order of the Miraculous Medal, which would explain his intimate acquaintanceship with the symbol."

Read more at:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000504.shtml

[Justin Kissel]

Could the secularists demand that the Cross be removed from the Greek flag?    Should Greece be required to adopt a non-religious flag?  Great Britain too?

Please, one step at a time.

[Papist]

And something a little heartening...


Why the sign of Our Lady reigns over Europe

When secularists parade with the European Union flag they are unwittingly honouring the Holy Virgin Mary !!!

".... Arsène Heitz, the flag’s designer, acknowledged in a 2008 interview that he derived the design of a circle of 12 golden stars from the Book of Revelation. As Heitz was considering a design to submit for the EU, he was reading the history of the Blessed Virgin’s apparitions in Paris’ Rue du Bac, known today as the Virgin of the Miraculous Medal. In fact, he belonged to the Order of the Miraculous Medal, which would explain his intimate acquaintanceship with the symbol."

Read more at:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000504.shtml

I read about this and was thrilled. How many of those secularists even know this? 

[deusveritasest]

Could the secularists demand that the Cross be removed from the Greek flag?    Should Greece be required to adopt a non-religious flag?  Great Britain too?

That would be ridiculous.