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« on: January 18, 2010, 06:31:32 PM »

The creepiness of the bizarre uses of Christianity.  Huh

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References
By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS

Jan. 18, 2010 —

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

'It violates the Constitution'
The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom."

"We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

"It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

'Firearms of Jesus Christ'
"It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said.

Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s ] of Jesus Christ."

He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade."

According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

"This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 06:35:42 PM »

The hubris of we Americans never ceases to amaze me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 07:14:18 PM »

Bogo, why is the last part of your post all crossed out?
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 07:18:12 PM »

Oh dear. I wish I'd never read this!

Bogo, why is the last part of your post all crossed out?
The edited "s" after the word "firearm" in the post to make it plural is in square parentheses so the forum is reading it as the bbcode for "strike through".

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 07:35:38 PM »

The hubris of we Americans never ceases to amaze me.

I've travelled a bit, and I can't think of any culture that doesn't have the 'hubris' you appear to be inferring from the article.  Frankly, what that company does has little to do with being American.

German belt buckles during the World Wars used to proclaim "Gott Mit Uns" (God is with us).  We don't take it so seriously because they were defeated twice, but I hardly hear anyone indignant about the "Allahu Akbar" shouted by the jihadis.  Talk about 'hubris,' I think everyone has a case of it.  That is to say, if you really understand what hubris means to begin with.  Hubris involves keeping someone else down.  I hardly think Americans want to keep the Iraqis occupied and oppressed, though the actions of the US may appear by some to be that way.

To be honest, I'm not sure I would want to live in a culture that didn't find itself to be admirable, nor would I want to have convictions that I did not feel strongly about.  It would be downright dreary and depressing to sit around and think how horrible it is to live there or be a _____________.

I don't see how the few stamped numbers on a miniscule part is such a big deal.  Then again, not being religious can end up being a religion.  If I was a soldier, I would be more concerned about how well the sight works.  After all, I use money with weird Masonic emblems and I have yet to run into anyone who says I shouldn't take US dollars if they are put in the collection plate.  Ooooops, perhaps there's a slippery slope there...  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 09:45:59 PM »

Wow!  This makes me happy that my Beretta has a set of Trijicon sights installed.  Mine just say H3 04 and H3 05.  All of our rifles at work use Trijicon ACOG scopes.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 01:33:01 PM »

I think I'd prefer good optics with a bible verse on it to crappy optics without one. But if I could make a custom request, I'd like DEUT32:41 on my rifle...get a little boondock saints action going on Wink
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 05:55:58 PM »

I think I'd prefer good optics with a bible verse on it to crappy optics without one. But if I could make a custom request, I'd like DEUT32:41 on my rifle...get a little boondock saints action going on Wink

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 06:30:09 PM »

But if I could make a custom request, I'd like DEUT32:41 on my rifle...
Now why doesn't that surprise me?
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 08:32:04 PM »

In hoc signo?  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 02:28:42 AM »

Great. The stunning cultural amnesia here astounds me.

Ever heard of the Sepoy rebellion? It was started by something not too different than this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857

"The final spark was provided by the reaction of Company officers to the controversy over the ammunition for new Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle. To load the new rifle, the sepoys had to bite the cartridge open. It was believed that the paper cartridges that were standard issue with the rifle were greased with lard (pork fat) which was regarded as unclean by Muslims, or tallow (beef fat), regarded as anathema to Hindus."

If the Afghans come to believe that our troops are there only to convert them, the war will quickly become unwinnable.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 12:19:32 AM »

Defense contractor to remove Bible references
Kits will allow U.S. forces to take off verses inscribed on combat rifle sight

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WASHINGTON - A Michigan company that manufactures combat rifle sights for the U.S. military that carry Bible verse citations said Thursday it would send kits to remove the inscriptions, NBC reported.

Trijicon Inc. also said it would take off Biblical references from all U.S. military products that are still in the company's factory and ensure future items do not have any inscriptions on them.The rifle sights, in use by U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, raised concern that the inscriptions break government rules barring proselytizing by American troops.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34982151/ns/us_news-military/
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