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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2010, 04:23:57 PM »


¿do you think it is only devotion? ¿Don´t you think it is driven by faith?

Alonso,

Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2010, 04:39:29 PM »


¿do you think it is only devotion? ¿Don´t you think it is driven by faith?

Alonso,

Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Father,

Is there anything in Orthodoxy that would prohibit such things from happening, Father? I mean outside of reverence and good taste?
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2010, 04:52:08 PM »


¿do you think it is only devotion? ¿Don´t you think it is driven by faith?

Alonso,

Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Father,

Is there anything in Orthodoxy that would prohibit such things from happening, Father? I mean outside of reverence and good taste?

I imagine that any bishop who permitted such things would find himself out of a job.   His brother bishops would depose him and the Synod would appoint some temporary episcopal oversight for the diocese until a new bishop were chosen.
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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2010, 04:55:05 PM »


I imagine that any bishop who permitted such things would find himself out of a job. His brother bishops would depose him and the Synod would appoint some temporary episcopal oversight for the diocese until a new bishop were chosen.

Sounds effective. I can see how this might work in our modern day of super fast information but how would this had worked in the early Church or during the times after the fall of Rome? As I understand it, at least in the Western Church, it sank into much abuse 'everywhere' before the rise of the Cluniac Abbots in the Monasteries cleaned them up. That reform, of course, lead to the rise of Papal Authority... the rest is history.
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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2010, 05:04:01 PM »

Alonso,

Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Lord have mercy. I have seen some strange things but I'm glad I have not seen any of that going on in any of the Roman churches in my city. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I have not seen or heard of such things. That is taking things a little far.
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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2010, 05:21:04 PM »

I cannot see those videos from where I am now, but if they are what I am imaging you know the answer, That is not catholic teaching,  and if some priest have don such stupid sacrileg thinks, Be anathema. But that doesn't makes me to lose my faith, but to point a Bad priest to my Bishop, Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez, who has a laud voice inside catholic church to point that blasfemy practice out of church.

I have shown you the true Catholic Church, a true catholic feast, and you come up with easy disqualification, that is playing dirt I would say. And only shows me that your proselitism is based on bad catholics, rather in the comparison of the best orthodoxy has and the Best Catholicism Has.
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2010, 05:25:15 PM »

There are some very nice buildings in Catholicism. Unfortunately, the average Catholic church interior where I live looks more suited for a corporate presentation or a lecture. I feel really bad for traditionalist Catholics when I see them getting excited over basic things like communion rails, reredoses, and the odd bit of decent artwork... it speaks of the pervasive devastation that has taken hold of the religion, whence I doubt it will ever recover.  
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2010, 05:25:32 PM »

Once more, this is the real Catholic Church. The Real Latin.









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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2010, 05:51:10 PM »

This is my Bishop: (God Bless Him)

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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2010, 06:37:31 PM »


¿do you think it is only devotion? ¿Don´t you think it is driven by faith?

Alonso,

Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.
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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2010, 06:47:15 PM »

I didn't realized that I haven't added a good picture of Our Lady of Zapopan,
 the motive of our joy in Guadalajara, Here she is:


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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2010, 06:51:19 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2010, 07:23:27 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA


Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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In Guadalajara, the liturgy has changed from latin to spanish, songs and choruses are in spanish, but priest are strongly comanded to follow the misal. not improvisations are allowed which may damage the celebration. Our Bishop is quite observant of the priests.
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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2010, 07:24:37 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it.

Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it. The things you have posted are extremely rare abuses. Heartbreaking yes, but extremely rare. Are they even occuring in cannonical Catholic Churches?
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« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2010, 07:26:38 PM »

Well Here we go.

The seminary students walking to The Basilica of Zapopan in GDL.


Alonso, many in the United States like to characterize the Catholicism in Mexico as sort of a "Folk Catholicism" mixed with superstion and paganism. I know this to be false, for the most part, but what is the true status of Catholicism in Mexico?

Catholicism in Mexico is only catholicism, no superstition but faith. superstition is very reduced, and only those who come to look for it they find it, In my house, that is also yours, I have very few Portraits, one of our Lord of Mercy, and other two of the virgin Mary. Do you consider that to be a superstition?
Of course not. I love images of our Lord and Lady. I was just asking about things I have heard. I am glad that what I have heard is simply a mischaracterization; I actually suspected as much.
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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2010, 07:34:21 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it.

Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it. The things you have posted are extremely rare abuses. Heartbreaking yes, but extremely rare. Are they even occuring in cannonical Catholic Churches?

In the doleful words of Pope Benedict he is not speaking of isolated and rare abuses but of a breakdown and corruption of the Mass which pervades the Catholic world.
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2010, 07:39:49 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it.

Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it. The things you have posted are extremely rare abuses. Heartbreaking yes, but extremely rare. Are they even occuring in cannonical Catholic Churches?

In the doleful words of Pope Benedict he is not speaking of isolated and rare abuses but of a breakdown and corruption of the Mass which pervades the Catholic world.

The Mass is still the Mass. Christ still becomes present in the Blessed Sacrament, and the people still recieve the Life Giving Mysteries. Again, the kinds of abuses you are talking about are rare where I live.
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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2010, 08:10:21 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it.

Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it. The things you have posted are extremely rare abuses. Heartbreaking yes, but extremely rare. Are they even occuring in cannonical Catholic Churches?

In the doleful words of Pope Benedict he is not speaking of isolated and rare abuses but of a breakdown and corruption of the Mass which pervades the Catholic world.

The Mass is still the Mass. Christ still becomes present in the Blessed Sacrament, and the people still recieve the Life Giving Mysteries. Again, the kinds of abuses you are talking about are rare where I live.
My friend, these abuses are more common than you think. Their continued existence is, I'm sorry to say, an illustration of either lack of episcopal oversight, or, where right-minded bishops have spoken out against such things, it is not always the case that such deviations are removed. Two cases come to mind, both involving Abp Michael Sheehan of Santa Fe:

1. The 2001 exhibition of "art" which featured a blasphemous, bikini-clad version of Our Lady of Guadelupe, which the good archbishop succeeded in shutting down, with the help of the local folks who were outraged at such desecration. All credit to His Grace, and his flock.

2. The promotion and sale of blasphemous "icons" painted by a certain Franciscan friar (name supplied on request) through an online store. This message appeared on the said website circa 2007, undersigned by the artist:

"In deference to the criticism of Michael Sheehan, Archbishop of Santa Fe, these ten images will no longer be distributed by the Order of Friars Minor. [our store] will continue to sell these images until the inventory has been depleted.

All well and good. In the last couple of years, this caveat has quietly disappeared from that webpage, and these disgraceful images are still freely for sale.

I've often wondered how the actions of a bishop to defend his faith and that of his flock are sometimes successful, other times not. Ideas, anyone?



 
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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2010, 08:22:48 PM »

[Here are some reasons which will help you understand why the Orthodox cannot be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church:

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

Catholic Clown Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it.

Given the size of the Catholic Church (1 billion) is it really reasonable to expect that no abuses take place?  Yes more heads should roll that the above takes place at all, but I don't think the Church was ever abuse free.

Pope Benedict believes that it is the Mass which poses the greatest threat to Catholicism.  It has become the Weapon of Mass Destruction in the Catholic Church today..


"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
~~~~~~
Its not the Mass that is the problem but abuses of it. The things you have posted are extremely rare abuses. Heartbreaking yes, but extremely rare. Are they even occuring in cannonical Catholic Churches?

In the doleful words of Pope Benedict he is not speaking of isolated and rare abuses but of a breakdown and corruption of the Mass which pervades the Catholic world.

The Mass is still the Mass. Christ still becomes present in the Blessed Sacrament, and the people still recieve the Life Giving Mysteries. Again, the kinds of abuses you are talking about are rare where I live.
My friend, these abuses are more common than you think. Their continued existence is, I'm sorry to say, an illustration of either lack of episcopal oversight, or, where right-minded bishops have spoken out against such things, it is not always the case that such deviations are removed. Two cases come to mind, both involving Abp Michael Sheehan of Santa Fe:

1. The 2001 exhibition of "art" which featured a blasphemous, bikini-clad version of Our Lady of Guadelupe, which the good archbishop succeeded in shutting down, with the help of the local folks who were outraged at such desecration. All credit to His Grace, and his flock.

2. The promotion and sale of blasphemous "icons" painted by a certain Franciscan friar (name supplied on request) through an online store. This message appeared on the said website circa 2007, undersigned by the artist:

"In deference to the criticism of Michael Sheehan, Archbishop of Santa Fe, these ten images will no longer be distributed by the Order of Friars Minor. [our store] will continue to sell these images until the inventory has been depleted.

All well and good. In the last couple of years, this caveat has quietly disappeared from that webpage, and these disgraceful images are still freely for sale.

I've often wondered how the actions of a bishop to defend his faith and that of his flock are sometimes successful, other times not. Ideas, anyone?



 
I am not sure how obedient every Catholic is to their Bishop but I would like to point out that his Exellency, Archbishop Michael Sheehan happens to be my bishop.
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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2010, 12:18:59 AM »

Ok I have seen the video, And now I see the true of this, Priest should be careful of this.
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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2010, 12:29:17 AM »

Ok I have seen the video, And now I see the true of this, Priest should be careful of this.


To be fair, Alonso, I have never attended such a scandalous Mass but the fact that Catholic Bishops in my country disrespect our Sacred Traditions and act so irreverently toward God and the Heavenly Host (who are present at the Mass) cuts me to the quick. I am scandalized by such things and it makes me ashamed to be Catholic. It demonstrates such a lack of piety and simple awareness of the act of the Sacred Mass that I am shocked and sickened.

I know several Catholic immigrates who came to America to work and send money home to their families. The go to Mass and they are shocked at how irreverent things are handled. I see no teaching of virtue, Fear of God, and reverence.

What is one family to do? How can I raise my children to be Faithful? It is a worry for me because I want my Children to be Faithful and to seek the good Pleasure of God. It is up hill and very hard to take.

I don't want you to question good sound Holy Tradition but I'm only telling you that it is very hard to find. Western Culture 'eats' devotions up and spits them out. I see the breakdown even among Orthodoxy but they are largely new in the West and only recently coming into the mainstream but they are devout and I respect that.
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« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2010, 12:45:48 AM »

Ok I have seen the video, And now I see the true of this, Priest should be careful of this.


To be fair, Alonso, I have never attended such a scandalous Mass but the fact that Catholic Bishops in my country disrespect our Sacred Traditions and act so irreverently toward God and the Heavenly Host (who are present at the Mass) cuts me to the quick. I am scandalized by such things and it makes me ashamed to be Catholic. It demonstrates such a lack of piety and simple awareness of the act of the Sacred Mass that I am shocked and sickened.

I know several Catholic immigrates who came to America to work and send money home to their families. The go to Mass and they are shocked at how irreverent things are handled. I see no teaching of virtue, Fear of God, and reverence.

What is one family to do? How can I raise my children to be Faithful? It is a worry for me because I want my Children to be Faithful and to seek the good Pleasure of God. It is up hill and very hard to take.

I don't want you to question good sound Holy Tradition but I'm only telling you that it is very hard to find. Western Culture 'eats' devotions up and spits them out. I see the breakdown even among Orthodoxy but they are largely new in the West and only recently coming into the mainstream but they are devout and I respect that.

Ok I tell you again, We in Mexico are part of Latin Catholicism,  we know about critics towards devotion, they are cynics but the problem in USA is that catholics listen to them added to the fact that they are  attacked from everywhere and they are losing confidence. That is what I can see, Am I right?
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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2010, 12:51:29 AM »

Respecting your kids, ¿What is it Worst, teaching them to quit, or to fight?

Just remember canon 112 P2

"§2. The practice, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris does not entail enrollment in that Church." end of quote.

So, If your kids have been baptized catholics, they will always be catholics, as well as you.
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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2010, 12:52:29 AM »

Ok I tell you again, We in Mexico are part of Latin Catholicism,  we know about critics towards devotion, they are cynics but the problem in USA is that catholics listen to them added to the fact that they are  attacked from everywhere and they are losing confidence. That is what I can see, Am I right?

Yes that is correct. I have seen only 'one' procession in my life except for the little ones when we go outside of the Parish and then right back in... that is not a procession to me.

Orthodoxy keeps it's Holy Tradition... we do not. If we did maybe we would not be so malnourished?
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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2010, 12:54:18 AM »

Respecting your kids, ¿What is it Worst, teaching them to quit, or to fight?

I am not a Deacon or a Priest. I recognize Saintliness but I am not a Saint. I am just as bad as the next but I don't want to be.
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2010, 01:04:25 AM »

Respecting your kids, ¿What is it Worst, teaching them to quit, or to fight?

I am not a Deacon or a Priest. I recognize Saintliness but I am not a Saint. I am just as bad as the next but I don't want to be.

It doesn´t matter if you are part of clergy or not, Faith is not a matter of shoping, as going to Wall-Mart or K-Mart, I feel that consumism culture had made you to think that faith is something one can spare one way or another with no consecuences, You are called to be saint, ¿Don´t you know it?

Once your child grow up, they will feel set apart from their real roots, and the only guy reponsible for that, will be you. You may say you tryed to do the best for them, ¿would that givethem back their roots?
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2010, 01:08:40 AM »

I am Trying to lit your faith sharing with you my testimony of faith, and showing you that Catholicism after Vatican II is as alive as it was before, but it seems to me that long ago you give up, and my attempts are sterile
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2010, 01:31:42 AM »

I am not sure how obedient every Catholic is to their Bishop but I would like to point out that his Exellency, Archbishop Michael Sheehan happens to be my bishop.

This is precisely why I posted the above examples, Papist. I know he is your bishop, and he has indeed done much good, as I have described. Yet, how is it that His Excellency's quite proper, necessary and correct directive has been comprehensively ignored by not only the artist concerned, but by the outlet which promotes and sells his wares? In other words, how is it possible that such public and sustained transgressions can "fall through the cracks" and continue to be promulgated, as it were?  Huh Huh
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« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2010, 01:25:13 PM »

I am Trying to lit your faith sharing with you my testimony of faith, and showing you that Catholicism after Vatican II is as alive as it was before, but it seems to me that long ago you give up, and my attempts are sterile

Emphasis added, I think you mean "light" perhaps?

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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2010, 02:32:54 PM »

Ok I tell you again, We in Mexico are part of Latin Catholicism,  we know about critics towards devotion, they are cynics but the problem in USA is that catholics listen to them added to the fact that they are  attacked from everywhere and they are losing confidence. That is what I can see, Am I right?

Yes that is correct. I have seen only 'one' procession in my life except for the little ones when we go outside of the Parish and then right back in... that is not a procession to me.

Orthodoxy keeps it's Holy Tradition... we do not. If we did maybe we would not be so malnourished?
That's interesting. We have a beautiful Corpus Cristi procession at my parish. We process the Eucharist out of the Church, through the local neighborhood and back into the Church.
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« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2010, 02:37:14 PM »

I am not sure how obedient every Catholic is to their Bishop but I would like to point out that his Exellency, Archbishop Michael Sheehan happens to be my bishop.

This is precisely why I posted the above examples, Papist. I know he is your bishop, and he has indeed done much good, as I have described. Yet, how is it that His Excellency's quite proper, necessary and correct directive has been comprehensively ignored by not only the artist concerned, but by the outlet which promotes and sells his wares? In other words, how is it possible that such public and sustained transgressions can "fall through the cracks" and continue to be promulgated, as it were?  Huh Huh
I agree that it is a terrible sadness and scandal, and for as much good as His Excellency has done, I wish he would do more. I think because the Catholic Church is so large and right in the forefront of media attention, some of our Bishops do not act as powerfully as they should. This is a great sadness. Further, because the Catholic Church is so large in the United states with many competing religions, with a full frontal attack of secularism in the USA, there are many Catholics who are only culturally so and thus don't listen to their bishops. But I have to say that in the circles in which I travel, there is true orthodoxy among many Catholics and the tide is changing. Many orthodox bishops are being ordained and they are begining to stand up for the truth more and more. I like the direction we are headed, while I mourn where we were throughout the seventies, eighties, and ninties. There are still some of the hippie types around, but I really see them as a dying breed.
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« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2010, 03:36:33 PM »

There are still some of the hippie types around, but I really see them as a dying breed.
Sadly, these "hippie types" pass their radical views onto the next generation.
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« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2010, 04:08:42 PM »

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!

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« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2010, 04:52:33 PM »

There are still some of the hippie types around, but I really see them as a dying breed.
Sadly, these "hippie types" pass their radical views onto the next generation.
Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
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« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2010, 04:53:47 PM »

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!


Pretty sick. Of course its a very extreme and very very very rare obuse.
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« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2010, 04:54:16 PM »

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!


Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
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« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2010, 05:04:27 PM »

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!


Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?

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« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2010, 05:05:14 PM »

Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  Shocked
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« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2010, 05:05:37 PM »

Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!


Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?

To adopt Alfonso's line in reverse - we have to groom you and get you ready for your return to the Church.   Smiley
righhhhht.
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« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2010, 05:06:13 PM »

We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?

Why are you being so defensive?
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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2010, 05:07:28 PM »

Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  Shocked
I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap. Its just an updated translation. Words don't mean what they used to. There was a time when a person could say "all men" and mean both women and men just like a person does in Spanish. However, "all men" doesn't mean that anymore. Languages change and develop. So to get at what the liturgy was saying, a modern and accurate translation would be "all men and women".
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« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2010, 05:07:40 PM »

To adopt Alfonso's line in reverse - we have to groom you and get you ready for your return to the Church.   Smiley

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« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2010, 05:08:49 PM »

We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?

Why are you being so defensive?
Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother you if we don't even really have the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass in the first place. I mean, according to your Church's view, these events would only insult pieces of bread and glasses of wine.
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« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2010, 05:08:54 PM »

I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap.
LOL! The Byzantine Catholics would beg to differ with you.
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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2010, 05:10:01 PM »

Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother if we don't even really have the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass in the first place. I mean, according to your Church's view, these events would only insult pieces of bread and glasses of wine.

You seem to have a real inferiority complex.
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