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« on: February 06, 2010, 03:35:43 PM »

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MOSCOW, Russia, FEB. 5, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia is affirming that the Russian Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church stand together on many current social issues.

The Russian Orthodox leader stated this Tuesday while addressing a bishops' meeting of his Church in Moscow's Christ the Savior Cathedral, Interfax reported.

He observed: "We [together with the Roman Catholic Church] have similar positions on many problems facing Christians in the modern world. They include aggressive secularization, globalization, and the erosion of the traditional moral principles.

"It should be noted that on these issues Pope Benedict XVI has taken a stance close to the Orthodox one."

The patriarch, who celebrated his first anniversary as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church on Monday, added that on the other hand, he is noticing "growing differences with Protestant denominations."

Recently, the patriarch said, "the Russian Church has seen less Protestant communities cooperating in the cause of preserving the Christian legacy" due to "the relentless liberalization of the Protestant world."

He continued, "Alas, not only have they failed to conduct a real propagation of the Christian values among the secular society, many Protestant communities prefer to adjust to its standards." The patriarch made a particular reference to the recent election of a female bishop, Margot Kaessmann, as head of the Evangelical Church in Germany.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 06:08:04 PM »

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MOSCOW, Russia, FEB. 5, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia is affirming that the Russian Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church stand together on many current social issues.

The Russian Orthodox leader stated this Tuesday while addressing a bishops' meeting of his Church in Moscow's Christ the Savior Cathedral, Interfax reported.

He observed: "We [together with the Roman Catholic Church] have similar positions on many problems facing Christians in the modern world. They include aggressive secularization, globalization, and the erosion of the traditional moral principles.

"It should be noted that on these issues Pope Benedict XVI has taken a stance close to the Orthodox one."

The patriarch, who celebrated his first anniversary as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church on Monday, added that on the other hand, he is noticing "growing differences with Protestant denominations."

Recently, the patriarch said, "the Russian Church has seen less Protestant communities cooperating in the cause of preserving the Christian legacy" due to "the relentless liberalization of the Protestant world."

He continued, "Alas, not only have they failed to conduct a real propagation of the Christian values among the secular society, many Protestant communities prefer to adjust to its standards." The patriarch made a particular reference to the recent election of a female bishop, Margot Kaessmann, as head of the Evangelical Church in Germany.

Thanks for sharing Jetavan. It's nice to hear this recognition of common interests between the First Rome and the Third.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 06:40:00 PM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 07:12:07 PM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.

It is thought that the Moral Law is a constant.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 07:12:54 PM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.

It sounds like they're getting a lot of things right. The list of differences between the churches isn't as long as you'd like it to be.  Yes, the entire theological paradigm is different which can make the list infinite, but when you're dealing with reality and not speculative formulae we are quite close on most issues.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 09:23:08 PM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.

It sounds like they're getting a lot of things right. The list of differences between the churches isn't as long as you'd like it to be.  Yes, the entire theological paradigm is different which can make the list infinite, but when you're dealing with reality and not speculative formulae we are quite close on most issues.

From what I can tell, there's only a handfull of real differences. I think it's great when real agreement on something can be acknowledged. As far as the OP, I'm really not that surprised to see agreement on this. Both Churches have always maintained that life is a gift from God and that the human person is made in the image and likeness of God.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 12:33:39 AM »

As a traditional Catholic who in no way wants to down play our differences, I think we agree much much much more than we disagree.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 12:50:24 AM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.

It sounds like they're getting a lot of things right. The list of differences between the churches isn't as long as you'd like it to be.  Yes, the entire theological paradigm is different which can make the list infinite, but when you're dealing with reality and not speculative formulae we are quite close on most issues.

I would like it if our differences were zero, so the list is much longer than I would like.  You are correct; the entire theological paradigm is different, making the list nearly infinite.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 12:51:15 AM »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it stands to reason that the Pope would get a few things right now and then.

It sounds like they're getting a lot of things right. The list of differences between the churches isn't as long as you'd like it to be.  Yes, the entire theological paradigm is different which can make the list infinite, but when you're dealing with reality and not speculative formulae we are quite close on most issues.
I wouldn't play this up as a difference between reality and speculative formulae, as though dogma can be relegated to the scrap heap of speculation.  The dogmatic differences between the East and Rome are very much an argument over reality.  The difference I see, then, is the difference between internal and external.  The two biggest segments of what most will call Christendom argue internally over dogmatic issues, even to the extent that one side will deem the other as outside the Church, yet we seem to agree more often than not on how to present ourselves to the outside world of those who don't identify themselves with Christianity at all.
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