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The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« on: January 18, 2010, 12:11:15 PM »
So I was watching this small, low budget documentary (made by a Copt) about the Coptic people in California protesting against the Nag Hammadi killings.  One of the people being interviewed mentioned that the Theotokos always appears to the Copts before something bad will happen.  So in other words, the Theotokos coming in Giza was somehow connected to the massacre in Nag Hammadi.

How true are her claims?  What happened in 1968 after Zeitoun or in 2001 after the Asiut sitings?  How consistent are the claims?
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 12:15:35 PM »
June 1968 was the official beginning of the War of Attrition, just a few months after Zeitoun.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 12:22:01 PM »
I once heard an EO say that weeping icons foretell that something bad is about to happen.  Has anyone else heard that?

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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 12:52:23 PM »
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I once heard an EO say that weeping icons foretell that something bad is about to happen.  Has anyone else heard that?
An icon of the Mother of God from Russia (forget where) that was visiting my town reportedly showed dark circles in the eyes shortly before Kursk submarine disaster.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 05:23:43 AM »
The trouble with this argument is that bad things are always happening. It is very easy to find something that an apparation MUST be connected with in a persons opinion. I am not sure that it works like that. Let us be grateful and continue to struggle day by day. If we associate such apparations too closely with particular events then we will be asked why an apparation was not manifest before many other even more catastrophic events.

I would be interested to know whether it has been recorded that the Virgin Mary appeared on occasions before Zeitoun, since the Church has faced much more severe persecution in the past.

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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 06:15:29 AM »
The trouble with this argument is that bad things are always happening. It is very easy to find something that an apparation MUST be connected with in a persons opinion. I am not sure that it works like that. Let us be grateful and continue to struggle day by day. If we associate such apparations too closely with particular events then we will be asked why an apparation was not manifest before many other even more catastrophic events.


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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 06:57:30 AM »
Dear Father,

As far I can infer, there are more than a few precedents of miraculous phenomena preceding specific tragedies and at least one incident (which, if memory serves correctly, similarly concerned Muslim persecution of the Copts) where the Saintly Patriarch of its time in fact expressly made such a connection between the miracles (weeping icons, I believe) and the tragedy that was about to befall the Faithful. I will have a dig through my resources to locate the specifics some time later.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 07:04:40 AM »
EkhristosAnesti,

It would be very interesting and useful to have even a partial list of such occurrences in the history of the Church. I find it hard to imagine that through so many centuries of pain there should be no miraculous comfort sent, while in our own times it seems that we are blessed with a greater degree of divine consolation than ever before.

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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 08:45:01 AM »
I can only think that the Theotokos is acting as a messenger of our Lord's Beatitude, "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you...etc." (Matthew 5:11-12) to the Copts.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 04:07:11 AM »
Can anyone point me in the direction of news on the 2010 apparitions - it concerns me that the photograph on news feeds such as this: http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=15405 appear to be a famous photo from the zeitoun apparitions of 40 years ago.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2010, 05:15:00 PM »
For 1968 apparitions, it was more a case of it preventing something from happening.  In the weeks leading up to the start of the apparitions, according to my parents, the homes and businesses of Christians in the Cairo area were being marked with red paint. No one was really sure what that meant or would have lead to, but with the start of the apparitions the markings stopped and for a brief while there was sectarian harmony in Egypt.

Though not sure if the 2001 sightings in Assiut (did the church actually declare it to be St. Mary?) came before or after the El Kosheh massacre.

Its not that the apparitions portend hardships but are to serve as a source of comfort for us through them that God has not forgotten us that He sent the blessed Theotokos to watch over us.

@rosary beads here is a link to a youtube video of the mst recent apparitions.
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2010, 05:24:40 PM »
Many thanks father, much appreciated! --

I think the wider significance of our lady choosing to appear when and where she does - is that she is venerated by both christian and moslem communities: and has a unique position and power to unite. The significance of our lady appearing in a place of name "fatima" with islamic significance has a similar theme
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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 09:29:50 AM »
... the homes and businesses of Christians in the Cairo area were being marked with red paint. "

I know someone personally who had that happen to her home and it was almost certainly from the Muslim Brotherhood. Very soon after there was a crackdown of them by Nasser. They were apparently plotting to assassinate him at the same time.


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Re: The Reason for Coptic Marian Apparitions
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 09:52:18 AM »
I have to say that I don't think the Virgin Mary appeared at Fatima.

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