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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2002, 09:25:25 PM »

But this isn't a Denise and David-approved Catholic reference site so doing that would get the post-er banned.

Hahahahaha!  Awesome, Serge!

With that said, I wonder why I, having took a couple of days off for the holiday, came back and found a four page thread about another website.  I'm just wondering as a fellow participant: is there a genuine reason why this thread should go on, or is this the most interesting thing we have to talk about?
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« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2002, 12:03:11 AM »

But Mor, self pity is so much fun.   Shocked

Seriously, you doubtless have a point and I will just let it drop.  Just a note, most of my posts have now been deleted, as I expected them to be.

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2002, 02:04:56 PM »

Well, I am a little confused about the interest everyone has in this other board?  Is there a history there or something?

Also, I will admit that I am in the dark about this Jeffrey character and what interest he holds, but being a nosy guy Wink I had to follow the links.  Since an ongoing question seems to have been whether he was or is "for real" perhaps a look at the psychology will enlighten.  By the way, I took this from the thread which was linked earlier in this thread.

"Being a Roman Catholic of the eastern rite, we have the whole east and west of devotions to choose from. In the east they practice something known as the Jesus Prayer. It consists of meditation on the phrase: "Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."

This is prayed with a prayer rope. In addition, they have prayers know as Akathists, that are sung on different occasions, some to commemorate the Mother of God, others to commemorate St. Michael the Archangel.

Nothing beats the rosary though, as this is the prayer of Our Lady. I feel very much attached to it, and it is a most powerful weapon. It seems that some eastern catholics dont want to participate in some of our Catholic traditions, I'm not sure why though."


Notice that all Eastern practices are "they" and all Roman practices are "our".  If he is an Eastern Catholic perhaps he recently underwent a change of rite.  But, it would seem that whatever he is, he identifies himself as a Roman and uses terms which show that he does not identify himself as an Eastern.  Just thought I would share that.

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2002, 02:36:54 PM »

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Yes, you are correct.  We noted that.  Called him on it and got our posts deleted by Denise.  Apparently he attends a BC Church that is very much Latinized.  I had never before run into a BC or a BC Church like he describes.  

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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2002, 09:36:37 PM »

Dan,

I have to wonder about the purpose in such?  Why be Eastern without being Eastern?  Wouldn't you lose the obvious fruits in such an arrangement?  Very odd indeed.

And what is the story on this forum?  It is apparent that all here are familiar with it.  Why the notoriety?  If you don't mind my asking anyway.

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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2002, 01:05:00 AM »

As I understand it, though Nik could tell the story better, the board was an attempt to help East and West meet in an amicable setting.  It was a noble experiment and as long as Nik was there it more or less worked.  When Nik passed the website on it became a thoroughly Western site which has become filled with odd misconceptions about the East stated forcefully as fact.

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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2002, 09:13:03 AM »

Dan has the idea right, it was made as a Catholic site for all the Churches of the Catholic Church. (I originally created it about 5-6 years ago) I have the feeling that my 'Doxing turned a few of the people more sour on the east than they were already. Also it is notorious for quite a few of the people here that have posted there now being banned.
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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2002, 09:33:53 AM »

Oh, I see, Nicholas started it when he was a Catholic!  That clears that up.   Thanks for sharing.  It seems I recall some odd responses, should I say negativity?, on another Byzantine forum to something very similar.  If I am not mistaken that was Nicholas as well.  Seems that you are something of a troublemaker.  Cheesy

Many thanks for the history and information.

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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2002, 09:52:45 AM »

I'm sooooo tempted to go over to yourcatholic.com and throw a few bombs...  Grin
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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2002, 11:02:37 AM »

Notre Dame Hoosier,

Probably throwing bombs is not the most helpful thing to do.  I don't plan on sticking around on that forum.  It's not my cup of tea.  Jeffrey hasn't posted since I challenged him and as it turns out, I made some mistakes in my haste to do so.  I pray that I have not frightened him off.  He needs to see the Church in a broader perspective.

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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2002, 11:23:35 AM »

Dan,

I have the feeling that Jeffrey has not done his homework on reading up on the Eastern Theologian's distrust of western rationalization?  Has he ever read anything on Negative Theology, or Apophaticism?  If he did, he would not be so eager to mix eastern and western theosophys.  Its more like mixing oil with water, all you get is a cloudy mixture.  

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« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2002, 11:58:46 PM »

Friends,

Greetings to all!  This is my first post on this board.  

I am frankly a little puzzled by this thread.  The point of this forum is to "Discuss in charity issues uniting and dividing the Orthodox Church and the Roman/Eastern Catholic Churches."  

Besides the slanderous post that Serge referred to when he opened this thread, what does this Jeffrey character or the yourchatholic.com board have to do with the purpose stated above?  Jeffrey is not slandering the Orthodox Faith.  The other board boots people who do not dance to their tune, OK.  Those seem to be internal Catholic issues.    

Perhaps I misunderstood the "issues uniting and dividing" and what it really means is the issues that divide the Roman and Eastern Catholic Churches?  

Maybe this belongs in the free-for-all forum?  

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2002, 07:00:18 PM »

Oh me oh my !!

Well here is a post tonight with which I totally agree - do go and see

The above Site , Blessed Sacrament Forum and the thread on Eucharistic Adoration started by Jeffrey.

We  now have an excellent response to Denise's one by someone new - Roger.

I must congratulate him - but I womder how long it will be until this one is deleted.

Well my guess was correct - deleted  about 3 mins later and frankly I think it is a disgrace - the post in question was, though lengthy ,absolutely correct in the writer's estimation of a practice that had been posted by the Moderator herself.

What a shame  - but sssh I do have a copy of it
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2002, 08:19:00 PM »

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May we, or at least I, see it?  Laufferc266@aol.com

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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2002, 04:42:08 AM »

Well I have to say I give up on them -- they have 41 members [according to the stats ] but of those 41, 2 have been banned and got back on with new IDs and new IP numbers, so that reduces it to 39 and one of them has now, as I predicted, been banned [ is this a new record ?] and one person has signed on twice [ probably accidentally]

No they can keep their Site. It's not good for my spiritual health.

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« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2002, 09:30:22 AM »

Slave,

It's Denise's board without challenge.  Her skin is way too thin to be moderator.  It is a useless site.

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« Reply #61 on: December 07, 2002, 09:44:40 AM »

Funny you should say that Dan Wink The same comment was made to me by another person only yesterday.

Now for the biggie - do I get myself banned or do I de-register ?

One could be fun and the other easy.

Which ?

Oh decisions, decisions -- I cannot make decisions like these.
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« Reply #62 on: December 07, 2002, 11:07:22 AM »

You know I kept it so long in looking for someone to take it over, not wanting to destroy the community, but since it seems to have been destroyed by the banning and deleting processes now in place, maybe it would have better for me just to close up shop back in August rather than letting it live on in its corrupted new form.

Actually, out of those 40, I seriously wouldn't be suprised if half of them were banned. I know a number of people who have been banned under one name and go back 2, 3, 4 or more times with new names.

However if you have a copy of that great post about Denise's push-button Jesus, that was almost immediately deleted, I'd sure love to see it. God Bless!
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« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2002, 11:21:09 AM »

Ooh, someone reposted the push-button Jesus post, at http://www.yourcatholic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=211

Don't know how long that will stay up, so try right away!
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« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2002, 12:00:06 PM »

Nik,

This is really bizarre.  It strikes me as yet another little step away from Orthodox eucharistic teaching.

If one reflects on the matter, "eucharistic adoration' makes little sense, at least in the way the RC's have long gone about it.  Is Christ somehow not fully present with me if I pray to Him while kneeling before His Cross or an Icon?  Somehow foreign from me if I simply raise my hands and pray to Him while hiking in the woods?  Of course not.  There is ultimatly one simple reason why the Eucharist was given to us; because I cannot eat or drink air.  Christ wanted us to sup on His very body and blood, thus He provided a means (which still asked great faith on our part) by which we could do this - thus why humble bread and wine were taken, and by the Holy Spirit transformed into His body and blood.  This Orthodox piety, without a doubt reflects early Church practice, since the Church has always had icons of Christ (for example) meant for us to pray before, alongside the Altar where the Holy Gifts are reserved for communing the sick - such would not have made sense, if from the beginning, RC style "eucharistic adoration" was the norm.

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« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2002, 12:25:13 PM »

As I wrote in a posting that got deleted from YC.com (because I had been banned before, was posting using a pen name and Denise remembered it was the name of a dead person), there is nothing wrong with devotions to the Sacrament outside of the Mass/Liturgy, but such never evolved in the East because there were no heresies against the Blessed Sacrament there, even among the groups once thought to be heretical (Orientals and Assyrians, formerly called Monophysites and Nestorians), against which to react.

There is no theological reason not to have holy hours and Benediction in the East but there is no historical reason and therefore no liturgical reason to do so, as Bishop Kallistos (Ware) has written.

There is a necessary tension in orthodoxy, a balance, between this natural outpouring of devotion and the overarching belief that, as the admittedly Protestant Articles of Religion of the Church of England put it, the Sacrament was not instituted mainly to be carried about, lifted up or worshipped, but to be used as food and drink. Something the Christian East has retained without the negation in Protestantism.

Eucharistic belief on both sides is the same, which is why in the Byzantine Rite there IS 'Benediction' but, true to the original use of the Sacrament, DURING Liturgy, after Communion, not outside it.

A push-button monstrance may be tacky but it's orthodox.

The perpetual-adoration craze among some well-meaning conservative Catholics isn't traditional. Traditionally such use of the Sacrament was strictly regulated (and included things like the Forty Hours' Devotion once a year) - technically one needed the bishop's permission to have Benediction, and perpetual adoration was only done by some contemplative orders of monks and nuns. It is an understandable reaction to the trashing of the Mass.

But the solution is not to take a practice that has its place but rightly belongs on the periphery of the Eucharist and move it front and center, but to restore the objective, Godward character of the Mass itself (shorthand - eastward position and no lay distribution of Communion) and to promote the use of the office (hours) over nonliturgical devotions - a lot like in Orthodoxy.

Something neither the liberals responsible for trashing the Mass nor the perpetual-adoration craze seem to want to hear.
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« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2002, 01:56:03 PM »

Serge,

Again we agree.  I posted a couple of messages over there. One making a suggestion along those lines.

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« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2002, 02:07:45 PM »

Hmm we will see

I certainly think that the push button Monstrance is nore than tacky - where is the due reverence that we [ us RCs anyway] should show to the Blessed Sacramnet.? Anyway being perfectly honest Our Lord is always there - even if the Tabernacle doors are closed.
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« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2002, 05:14:33 PM »

Well I wouldn't worry about that. I prefer to go to Orthodox or Byzantine catholic forums, or at least forums about ecumenism, where people are well informed.
Mos catholic forums are done for roman catholics, specially for the normal liberal catholic, and our posts may be disturbing for them.

I was recently banned from a catholic forum in Spanish. They said i was a Lefebvrist schismatic!  Grin

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« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2002, 06:29:19 PM »

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There is no way that you can accept any part of the blame for this. You did what seemd to you, at the time , to be the right thing.

The fact that it has not been the correct decision is not down to you - Denise is enjoying , or so it seems to me, running it her way.

It's a pity it has turned out like this - but that's the way the cookie has crumbled. I must say though that I feel you are probably correct about  the numbers - some posters having more than 1 identity
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2002, 04:35:37 AM »

Well, to my knowledge I haven't been banned yet but I think I probably will be just about as soon as I actually start posting there.  

Nik, it is a disgrace that this happened this way.  I can think of only one way to solve it.  Let's all get together, register at yourcatholic.com (under aliases if necesary), pick a date, and all go in and start posting the truth as fast and furious as possible and keep reregistering until denises delete key wears out or she shuts the forum up alltogether.  anything has to be better than it is now.

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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2002, 04:38:53 AM »

Ok.  I can still logon there.  So who is with me?  We better start collecting Articles on authentic Eastern Christianity.

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« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2002, 08:33:52 AM »

I remember some time back, I was trying to answer someone's question on the eucharist on another forum and I did a bit of a search on the Internet for information. It was really only then that the rationalistic mindset of the west really hit me.

The orthodox view on the bread and wine;
It simply becomes the body and blood of Christ. Since we cannot eat flesh and blood, God gives us his body and blood in a form that we can consume. No attempt is made to explain how or by what means. In humility it is accepted as the awesome mystery that it is.

The roman catholic view;
I came across a site with a description of transubstantiation, going into intricate detail as to the how and when and by what means etc. that went on over about six pages, in deep theological terms that caused my simple brain a certain amount of strain. I wish I could find it now as it was so classic of western thought (which still clings to me, try as I might to rid myself of it Sad).
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« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2002, 08:51:58 AM »

"The orthodox view on the bread and wine;
It simply becomes the body and blood of Christ. Since we cannot eat flesh and blood, God gives us his body and blood in a form that we can consume. No attempt is made to explain how or by what means. In humility it is accepted as the awesome mystery that it is."

I think you have just shown us why Joe's idea, though made with good intentions, will not work.  The rationalist mind set is not a humble one.  The hope we do have is the truth of the saying "Pride goes before a fall."   Denise is almost to the point of talking to herself.  God has a way of working these things out, don't you think?

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« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2002, 12:05:16 PM »

I remember some time back, I was trying to answer someone's question on the eucharist on another forum and I did a bit of a search on the Internet for information. It was really only then that the rationalistic mindset of the west really hit me.

The orthodox view on the bread and wine;
It simply becomes the body and blood of Christ. Since we cannot eat flesh and blood, God gives us his body and blood in a form that we can consume. No attempt is made to explain how or by what means. In humility it is accepted as the awesome mystery that it is.

The roman catholic view;
I came across a site with a description of transubstantiation, going into intricate detail as to the how and when and by what means etc. that went on over about six pages, in deep theological terms that caused my simple brain a certain amount of strain. I wish I could find it now as it was so classic of western thought (which still clings to me, try as I might to rid myself of it Sad).

For a number of years when my younger brother and I were young, our parents sent us to a very conservative Polish RC parochial elementary school rather than to the less-well-disciplined public school.  There we were subjected to RC "Religion Class" thrice weekly, which our well-intentioned parents thought would bring us no spiritual harm.  Sometimes one of the parish curates (there were 3 to assist the pastor) would come in to lead the otherwise-rather-boring question-and-answer classes from the Baltimore Catechism.  The subject of transubstantiation came up, and, in order to help us understand it, the priest gave the example of a truck filled with bread.  He said that if the priest intended it, he could stretch his hands toward the truck, say, "Hoc est enim corpus meum" ("This is my body"), and all the bread in the truck would immediately be "transubstantiated" into the Body of Christ.  As a young lad, I was so impressed by the great magical powers of the RC priests to be able to do this by their simple recitation of the Words of Institution alone.  As I grew older, however, I read about "Hocus pocus" and realized from where this reference originated.  

Be that as it may: I am so curious about the automatic monstrances being talked about on this thread.  How do they work?  The local Polish RC church had (and still has AFAIK) automatic door openers on its main tabernacle.  In a RC church that I walked into while a mass was in progress in Manhattan once, they had American and Papal flags that would automatically start billowing as if in a breeze when the National Anthem was sung (but I digress).  Wink

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« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2002, 12:25:18 PM »

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It simply becomes the body and blood of Christ. Since we cannot eat flesh and blood, God gives us his body and blood in a form that we can consume. No attempt is made to explain how or by what means. In humility it is accepted as the awesome mystery that it is.

The roman catholic view;
I came across a site with a description of transubstantiation, going into intricate detail as to the how and when and by what means etc. that went on over about six pages, in deep theological terms that caused my simple brain a certain amount of strain. I wish I could find it now as it was so classic of western thought (which still clings to me, try as I might to rid myself of it ).

Which doesn't show the two views are mutually exclusive, because they aren't.

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For a number of years when my younger brother and I were young, our parents sent us to a very conservative Polish RC parochial elementary school rather than to the less-well-disciplined public school.  There we were subjected to RC "Religion Class" thrice weekly, which our well-intentioned parents thought would bring us no spiritual harm.  Sometimes one of the parish curates (there were 3 to assist the pastor) would come in to lead the otherwise-rather-boring question-and-answer classes from the Baltimore Catechism.  The subject of transubstantiation came up, and, in order to help us understand it, the priest gave the example of a truck filled with bread.  He said that if the priest intended it, he could stretch his hands toward the truck, say, "Hoc est enim corpus meum" ("This is my body"), and all the bread in the truck would immediately be "transubstantiated" into the Body of Christ.  As a young lad, I was so impressed by the great magical powers of the RC priests to be able to do this by their simple recitation of the Words of Institution alone.  As I grew older, however, I read about "Hocus pocus" and realized from where this reference originated.  

I think that's a classic religious-education question (usually the hypothetical priest walks into a bakery) and the answer is no, the bread is not changed. The words of consecration outside of the context of the Church and the Liturgy/Mass (no context means no intention to do what the Church does when confecting the Sacrament) don't do anything. The priest was wrong if he said they do.

Hocus-pocus, a Protestant expression making fun of the Mass, AFAIK ridicules all apostolic belief in the Real Presence and does not refer to the distorted view quoted above.

One good thing about the Orthodox tradition is it is crystal on this - a priest not acting as the deputy of a bishop (symbolized by the antimension the bishop issues to a church) can't exercise priesthood, period. Wrong context = no Eucharist.

Ignorance of this ecclesiology caused a couple of early-1900s Catholic immigrant schisms in America, where the people of a congregation broke with their bishop to follow a popular priest instead. (Two Italian groups started this way and ended up Episcopalian!) A wrongheaded 'magic zap' approach to the priesthood, independent of the Church or of the episcopacy (apart from ordination) also is partly to blame for much/most vagante foolishness.
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« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2002, 12:41:01 PM »

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For a number of years when my younger brother and I were young, our parents sent us to a very conservative Polish RC parochial elementary school rather than to the less-well-disciplined public school.  There we were subjected to RC "Religion Class" thrice weekly, which our well-intentioned parents thought would bring us no spiritual harm.  Sometimes one of the parish curates (there were 3 to assist the pastor) would come in to lead the otherwise-rather-boring question-and-answer classes from the Baltimore Catechism.  The subject of transubstantiation came up, and, in order to help us understand it, the priest gave the example of a truck filled with bread.  He said that if the priest intended it, he could stretch his hands toward the truck, say, "Hoc est enim corpus meum" ("This is my body"), and all the bread in the truck would immediately be "transubstantiated" into the Body of Christ.  As a young lad, I was so impressed by the great magical powers of the RC priests to be able to do this by their simple recitation of the Words of Institution alone.  As I grew older, however, I read about "Hocus pocus" and realized from where this reference originated.  

I think that's a classic religious-education question (usually the hypothetical priest walks into a bakery) and the answer is no, the bread is not changed. The words of consecration outside of the context of the Church and the Liturgy/Mass (no context means no intention to do what the Church does when confecting the Sacrament) don't do anything. The priest was wrong if he said they do.

My reply: <<Right or wrong, THIS IS what the priest DID SAY in the RC parochial school religion class.>>

Hocus-pocus, a Protestant expression making fun of the Mass, AFAIK ridicules all apostolic belief in the Real Presence and does not refer to the distorted view quoted above.

My reply:<<Not necessarily ALL apostolic belief in the Real Presence, but only one where there is no Epiklesis, as if RC priests had this power unto themselves independent of their Church>>

One good thing about the Orthodox tradition is it is crystal on this - a priest not acting as the deputy of a bishop (symbolized by the antimension the bishop issues to a church) can't exercise priesthood, period. Wrong context = no Eucharist.

My reply:<<The Eastern Orthodox Tradition does not identify dogmatically a single moment in the Liturgy when the change of the bread and wine are transmuted into the Body and Blood of Christ as the RC tradition does.  However, most Orthodox theologians agree that if a single moment had to be chosen, it would not take place until the Epiklesis was accomplished.>>
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« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2002, 01:14:04 PM »

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Right or wrong, THIS IS what the priest DID SAY in the RC parochial school religion class.

Then he didn't present the view of the Catholic Church.

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Not necessarily ALL apostolic belief in the Real Presence, but only one where there is no Epiklesis, as if RC priests had this power unto themselves independent of their Church

I don't think the Protestants who came up with this knew anything about the Byzantine Rite or would have been cool with the Real Presence if they knew of the epiklesis. Byzantine Rite chauvinism doesn't apply here - the Roman Mass's consecration prayer is ancient, older than the two Byzantine anaphoras, a sign of which is it hasn't got an explicit epiklesis. That of the Assyrian Church is ancient, too, older than the Byzantine, and it hasn't got the words of institution! The notion that priests have this power independent of the context of the Church, provided by the Liturgy/Mass, is wrong, of course.

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The Eastern Orthodox Tradition does not identify dogmatically a single moment in the Liturgy when the change of the bread and wine are transmuted into the Body and Blood of Christ

True.

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as the RC tradition does.


But AFAIK the Catholic Church agrees that Hoc est enim Corpus meum said outside Mass don't mean anything.

Once again, that priest was wrong.

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However, most Orthodox theologians agree that if a single moment had to be chosen, it would not take place until the Epiklesis was accomplished.

True, in both the Byzantine Rite anaphoras.
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« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2002, 09:48:03 PM »

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Then he didn't present the view of the Catholic Church.

Not necessarily true.  There are cases of RC clergy kept as prisoners, who simply said the "words of consecration" (apart from the liturgy) over bread and wine to "confect the miracle of transubstantiation".  Thus while the truck load of bread might pose problems in so far as intent is concerned (one of the three necessary things for a "valid" sacrament), it is the priest acting in persona Christi with valid form, matter, and intent which causes transubstantiation, and not his participation in a prayer asking God to do this (and in which case there is no way for God to be mocked.)

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« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2002, 01:31:34 AM »

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Then he didn't present the view of the Catholic Church.

Not necessarily true.  There are cases of RC clergy kept as prisoners, who simply said the "words of consecration" (apart from the liturgy) over bread and wine to "confect the miracle of transubstantiation".  Thus while the truck load of bread might pose problems in so far as intent is concerned (one of the three necessary things for a "valid" sacrament), it is the priest acting in persona Christi with valid form, matter, and intent which causes transubstantiation, and not his participation in a prayer asking God to do this (and in which case there is no way for God to be mocked.)

Seraphim

I don't see how a priest being in a prison is the same thing as sitting on the site of a road chanting at a truck for fun. My Byz. Cath. priest said that he can't "transubstantiate" Eucharist in that way.  Maybe you should ask the folks at EWTN about that.  www.etwn.com

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« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2002, 07:25:16 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2002, 08:22:31 PM »

I just popped over there to see what was up and there's a thread from that Marlene person about how the Russian Orthodox Church is too close to the communists.  Then there's a response about how we need to be praying for the conversion of the Russians and that's it's "sad" that the Orthodox think that Russians should be Orthodox.
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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2002, 08:31:58 PM »

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I just popped over there to see what was up and there's a thread from that Marlene person about how the Russian Orthodox Church is too close to the communists.

Sounds like she's in a time warp.

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Then there's a response about how we need to be praying for the conversion of the Russians and that's it's "sad" that the Orthodox think that Russians should be Orthodox.

Yeah, it would make a lot more sense for the Orthodox to think Russians should be Sufis.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2002, 10:22:25 PM »

How about everyone that posted there close your accounts (all of them!) and let's see how low their membership dips! haha

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« Reply #84 on: December 15, 2002, 12:09:03 AM »

I'd love to, Anastasios, but as I've been banned, I cannot do anything with my name.  Perhaps I should drop ye olde Denise a letter asking for my name to be de-registered?
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« Reply #85 on: December 15, 2002, 12:48:32 PM »

Good point Mor Wink.

Anyway there is no 'contact us' button - so it's down to the trying to get in contact with them - have tried Admiinsitrator so we will see what happens.

Hmm I'll own up here to having 2 identities there [ one of course being banned] any advance on 2 HuhHuh? Wink
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« Reply #86 on: December 15, 2002, 01:58:38 PM »

I was bad <he he he> and joined the forum and responded to Marlene's thread.  Anyone want to bet how long my post will remain on the board?  Or before I'm banned?
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« Reply #87 on: December 15, 2002, 03:48:12 PM »

Not worth it Jennifer.

Ithink Dear Denise has been told to be careful about banning. I should have been thrown off after my last but one post - and I wasn't. The frist time I was never told why I had been banned - correction they banned me before I could access any reason Wink

However Denise does not seem to have been around much today - so you have a little respite.


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« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2002, 07:24:28 PM »

I am a little bit confused, why did they ban you? why did they kicked you out of those forums?

Anyway. My experience in Catholic forums has been similar. Most of the posters of these forums are modernist and they are as special as the ultra-traditionalist, and very intolerant, but Im sure not all are.

I have been banned from a Catholic forum in spanish recently. The reason: they said I was a lefebvrist schismatic!
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« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2002, 08:13:22 PM »

One good thing about the Orthodox tradition is it is crystal on this - a priest not acting as the deputy of a bishop (symbolized by the antimension the bishop issues to a church) can't exercise priesthood, period. Wrong context = no Eucharist.


Serge,
What about a bishop?  Can a bishop be outside the authority structure? I assume yes, but I want to get an Orthodox perspective on the issue.

Cheers,

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