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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2010, 10:32:30 PM »

Can't these movies be made without being so explicit? Aren't we as Christians supposed to be guarding our heart and mind? In the old days if a couple walked into the bedroom and closed the door then you knew what was going to happen. A gun can be fired and a man fall, but why show all the excessive blood and guts? These images are embedded in your mind afterward. Why go and support the writers and producers with your money? Call me old-fashioned, but if people would stop going to movies like that Hollywood would have to clean up its act.
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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2010, 10:34:01 PM »

Dear ialmisry,

Hatred should be avoided too, it also comes from the devil, and it estranges us from God who is Love.

Violence is something useful.

We can discuss these two things in detail in another thread.

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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2010, 11:46:45 PM »

Can't these movies be made without being so explicit? Aren't we as Christians supposed to be guarding our heart and mind? In the old days if a couple walked into the bedroom and closed the door then you knew what was going to happen. A gun can be fired and a man fall, but why show all the excessive blood and guts? These images are embedded in your mind afterward. Why go and support the writers and producers with your money? Call me old-fashioned, but if people would stop going to movies like that Hollywood would have to clean up its act.

I don't know where one draws the line as to what is essential to a plot or what is gratuitous violence; war, sex, murder scenes or whatever. For instance, a film about war can hardly avoid portraying death and destruction in the most violent and horrible ways; rape and pillage included. In a sense we are experiencing vicariously the suffering of those who have been victims of such events and seeing them portrayed (once we would have only seen such things on canvas) awakens sympathy that we wouldn't normally feel. Living safely and securely as we do I think there is a danger that we don't really develop empathetic feelings for others so from that point of view I don't have a problem with films that jolt us out of our comfort zone and bring home the horror of war or other human tragedies. I think we can learn from them... hopefully.
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2010, 11:48:58 PM »

I saw "Last Tango in Paris" many years ago. The movie is little more than glorified pornography, "artistically" done.

First of all, any Christian that watches a Hollywood movie without realizing that satanic ideas will most likely be communicated in that movie - either overtly or subtly - is very naive. Now that doesn't mean that we should avoid all Hollywood movies. But we have to approach them with a prejudicial mind. We have to assume prima facie that immoral and godless philosophies will be promoted in these films, and then we can perhaps watch some of them without being mentally and spiritually corrupted.

I always assume that foul language and gratuitous sex will be in every movie that is not rated "G." Even if the movie is a children's cartoon, if it's rated PG, then I know there will be some sort of sexual inuendo or such in the movie. Just ask yourself this question: Why would they make a children's cartoon that needs a PG rating? That should tell us all we need to know. There is a demonic attack on our children, and we have to be on guard. I will not let my children watch any movie that is not rated G.

Now as for us, as adults, we have to realize that there is a demonic attack on us too. Satan is a great marketer, and he will wrap his filth in slick packaging. So, why should we as Christians assume that pagan Hollywood has our best interest at heart? Why should we naively subject ourselves to their brainwashing?

But if we presuppose that a certain movie will be laced with demonic ideology, then we may be able to watch the movie with our guard up and discern the evil from that which may be of artistic or moral value. But the key is to be prejudicial and discerning.

Of course some movies are outright evil and morally worthless on the surface. Sometimes satan doesn't even try to hide himself. But often he shrewdly weaves his lies into movies that seem very innocent and are actually very artistic. And the minute we think that we are invulnerable to these lies and deceptions, then we become victims of his insidious schemes.

Look, I love good movies. And part of what I love about a good movie is how it captivates me, stirring my emotions and effecting my thoughts. And I admit that I have watched movies that I know contain immoral ideas or that have provocative scenes. And yet some of those movies also conveyed some very redemptive themes. But I try to be on guard and watch them with a prejudicial eye. Yet I have to admit that I am still being affected, and maybe more profoundly than I realize.

But IMHO, if we know that a movie has overt sexual content or overt sexual themes, then I firmly believe we should avoid it. For example, I remember when the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" came out. I had always liked Stanley Kubrik as a director, but there was no way I was going to see that movie. It was clear from the previews and description that the movie revolved around some very demonic sexual themes. And in spite of all the justifications about how the moral of the movie was a warning against adultery and fornication, I knew that it was in essence an immoral movie that I had no business seeing. And I'm glad I didn't.    

And BTW, I feel the same way about violence.

That's my two cents, FWIW.

Selam

Thank you, Gebre, brother, I pretty much knew what you would write, and, as you perhaps know, nothing of the above convinces me one bit, and I still think that saying about films like "Last Tango" that they are "glorified pornography" is simply a lie. Not that you lie deliberately - I know you do not, but I think you are repeating lies.

Generally, again, pretty much like always, I very strongly regret that I touched this topic on this forum. Thank you all for replying, but I don't think I made my point. The scenes in the film did NOT make me "uncomfortable" in that they did not - and could not - make me do something sinful or even as much as feel sexual arousal. The only thing in this case and in many other cases that makes me feel uncomfortable is the general notion that if there are bare body parts or a peculiar activity on the screen, I should not watch it BECAUSE it is SUPPOSED to make me feel lustful etc. And it does NOT. But I am still "not suppsed to." And I feel guilty. And I do not know how to reconcile this with the general, "all-size-fits-it-all" (or "all-size-is-supposed-to-fit-t-all") teachings of the Gospels and Fathers and what not.

Well, I didn't expect you to agree with everything I said. But it would be interesting if you addressed my specific points and articulated why you agree or disagree with them.

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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2010, 12:44:13 AM »

Can't these movies be made without being so explicit? Aren't we as Christians supposed to be guarding our heart and mind? In the old days if a couple walked into the bedroom and closed the door then you knew what was going to happen. A gun can be fired and a man fall, but why show all the excessive blood and guts? These images are embedded in your mind afterward. Why go and support the writers and producers with your money? Call me old-fashioned, but if people would stop going to movies like that Hollywood would have to clean up its act.

There was a study done on the shower scene in Psycho.  People would swear that they had seen her get stabbed.  But the film doesn't show that.  Now that's art.
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2010, 04:35:18 AM »

The trouble with avoiding such movies is that you can't always know they have these scenes.  I can't stomach gore, hate violence, and get very embarrassed by sex scenes, even when I'm alone.  If I know they're coming (such as, I've seen the movie before), I can turn off the TV or hide my eyes.  But if I don't know they're coming, I often end up with a nasty scene burned into my mind for some time, coming back to haunt me while I'm eating or falling asleep (if gory) or while I'm in church (if sexual).  But I don't think it's my fault for having seen it without wanting to.

I don't understand why movies put in so much of this stuff, either.  I don't understand why guys I know love movies full of what is to me very boring violence, hard to follow with my eyes.  I don't know why people want to watch movies about zombies eating people or slashers ripping people apart.  I love the vampire genre but rarely watch/read vampire stories, because of the gore put in so many movies.  A Christian friend called me a prude; I really don't get it, or why he'd keep trying to get me to watch violent or gory movies.   Huh

I once was engaged to a guy who claimed to be a Christian, who wanted to be a movie actor, but he told me that he'd probably have to do sex scenes to get anywhere in the industry.  He didn't understand why I found this morally repugnant.

If I enjoy "Pulp Fiction" for the stories but hate the profanity or violence, is it sinful to watch it?  I don't think so, but it's only my opinion....
 
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2010, 03:06:08 PM »

The trouble with avoiding such movies is that you can't always know they have these scenes.  I can't stomach gore, hate violence, and get very embarrassed by sex scenes, even when I'm alone.  If I know they're coming (such as, I've seen the movie before), I can turn off the TV or hide my eyes.  But if I don't know they're coming, I often end up with a nasty scene burned into my mind for some time, coming back to haunt me while I'm eating or falling asleep (if gory) or while I'm in church (if sexual).  But I don't think it's my fault for having seen it without wanting to.

I don't understand why movies put in so much of this stuff, either.  I don't understand why guys I know love movies full of what is to me very boring violence, hard to follow with my eyes.  I don't know why people want to watch movies about zombies eating people or slashers ripping people apart.  I love the vampire genre but rarely watch/read vampire stories, because of the gore put in so many movies.  A Christian friend called me a prude; I really don't get it, or why he'd keep trying to get me to watch violent or gory movies.   Huh

I once was engaged to a guy who claimed to be a Christian, who wanted to be a movie actor, but he told me that he'd probably have to do sex scenes to get anywhere in the industry.  He didn't understand why I found this morally repugnant.

If I enjoy "Pulp Fiction" for the stories but hate the profanity or violence, is it sinful to watch it?  I don't think so, but it's only my opinion....
 

If they call you a "prude," if they rationalize immoral actions, if they are drawn to movies and music that promote violent and sexual imagery, then be assured that you are not the one with the problem.

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