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« on: January 06, 2010, 10:40:24 PM »

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Three men in a car sprayed automatic gunfire into a crowd of churchgoers in southern Egyptian as they left a midnight Mass for Coptic Christmas, killing at least seven people in a drive-by shooting, the church bishop and the Interior Ministry said.

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 11:21:44 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 11:27:19 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 11:27:54 PM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 11:33:41 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 12:06:46 AM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.

This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 12:10:20 AM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.

Evil is evil. There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder. In fact, most poor uneducated people are not murderers. And also, as a matter of fact, most of the killing in this world is orchestrated by highly educated people in places of high power.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 12:11:13 AM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.

This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 12:12:10 AM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.

This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple.
"Qena is one of Egypt's poorest and most conservative areas."
Poverty and ignorance breed stupidities like "revenge".
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 12:25:46 AM »

It wasn't even revenge.  It's a continuation of the persecution of the Copts.  Already in November there was almost a week of Muslims burning Coptic neighborhoods over this incident.  From what I heard, the 12 year old girl can't even identify who her attacker was.  Somehow a Coptic man was named and now the entire Coptic community is being attacked. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 12:26:23 AM »

There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder.

Not being formally educated doesn't make one ignorant. Things like bigotry do.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 12:29:19 AM »

And even rich and educated people can be bigoted.

You're right, though.  This is a case of religious bigotry.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 02:27:07 AM »

Memory Eternal ! For the Innocent Victims...Amen Amen
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 11:00:32 AM »

Churchgoers shot at Coptic Christmas midnight Mass in Egypt Agencies From: AP January 07, 2010 1:50PM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share
Add to DiggAdd to del.icio.usAdd to FacebookAdd to KwoffAdd to MyspaceAdd to NewsvineWhat are these?THREE men in a car sprayed automatic gunfire into a crowd of churchgoers in Egypt as they left a midnight Mass for Coptic Christmas, killing at least seven people.
Egypt's Interior Ministry said the attack just before midnight on Wednesday was suspected as retaliation for the November rape of a Muslim girl by a Christian man in the same town. Officials aid witnesses had identified the lead attacker.

The attack happened in the town of Nag Hamadi in Qena province, 64km from the ancient ruins of Luxor.

A local security official confirmed seven were dead and three seriously wounded.

Bishop Kirollos of the Nag Hamadi Diocese said six male churchgoers and one security guard were killed. He said he had left St John's church just minutes before the attack.

"A driving car swerved near me, so I took the back door. By the time I shook hands with someone at the gate, I heard the mayhem, lots of machinegun shots," he said by phone.

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The bishop said he was concerned about violence on the eve of Coptic Christmas, which falls on Thursday, because of previous threats following the rape of the 12-year-old girl in November.

He got a message on his mobile phone saying: "It is your turn."

"I did nothing with it. My faithful were also receiving threats in the streets, some shouting at them: 'We will not let you have festivities'," he said.

Because of the threats, he said he ended his Christmas Mass one hour early.

He said Muslim residents of Nag Hamadi and neighbouring villages rioted for five days in November and torched and damaged Christian properties in the area after the rape.

"For days, I had expected something to happen on Christmas Day," he said.

The bishop said police have now asked him to stay at home for fear of further violence.

Qena is one of Egypt's poorest and most conservative areas.

Christians, mostly Coptic, account for about 10 per cent of Egypt's predominantly Muslim population.

As Islamic conservatism gains ground, Christians have increasingly complained about discrimination by the Muslim majority.

Clashes between Muslims and Christians are not uncommon in southern Egypt and in recent years have begun seeping into the capital.

An Amnesty International report said sectarian attacks on the Coptic Christian community, comprising between six million and eight million people in Egypt, increased in the year 2008. Sporadic clashes between Coptic Christians and Muslims left eight people dead.

Vendetta killing is also common among southern Egyptians and is usually over land or family disputes.

The bishop said he had an idea of who the attackers were, calling them "Muslim radicals."

"It is all religious now. This is a religious war about how they can finish off the Christians in Egypt," he said.
 
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 11:58:48 AM »

Lord have mercy!  What's supposed to be a festive Christmas day for Copts turned into a day of sorrow for the families and friends of those killed.

Also pray that the situation may not escalate, as it seems to go that direction:

http://globalist.org.ua/eng/144680-egyptian-orthodox-were-killed-on-christmas-night
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 02:45:54 PM »

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I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.

There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder. In fact, most poor uneducated people are not murderers. And also, as a matter of fact, most of the killing in this world is orchestrated by highly educated people in places of high power.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 04:07:28 PM »

Lord have mercy on the Copts who probably suffer as much poverty and much more oppression than those who lord it over them.
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The Jews wanted a strong secular king, someone like Judas Macabees, BUT they got the son of an ignorant carpenter who was poor.  Jesus came to save people from their sins....not from lack of education or inadequate investments.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 05:36:52 PM »

I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.

You'd be surprised. Of course, one could try to take into account all of the various factors that might encourage Muslim fanaticism (the relationship between the corrupt Egyptian autocracy, Israel and America, for example), but it's basically a case of fanatics among the Muslim majority randomly attacking Christians. There were several such incidents in 2009.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 05:50:30 PM »

Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.

This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple.
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I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.


Have you traveled in Egypt? Muslim villagers are extremely radical in outlook, and in Cairo things aren't much better. People were selflessly hospitable to me personally, but throughout my travels in the countryside I heard rant after rant about how wrong the Christian religion is. My Egyptian friends belonging to the intelligentsia are considering emigration, because as soon as Mubarak dies, a civil war and Islamic revolution seems inevitable.
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I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.


Have you traveled in Egypt? Muslim villagers are extremely radical in outlook, and in Cairo things aren't much better. People were selflessly hospitable to me personally, but throughout my travels in the countryside I heard rant after rant about how wrong the Christian religion is. My Egyptian friends belonging to the intelligentsia are considering emigration, because as soon as Mubarak dies, a civil war and Islamic revolution seems inevitable.


There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM »

There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.

Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it.
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There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.

Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it.

Thankfully, most Muslims are anti-Brotherhood.  In the light of something like that happening, I think people will rally around Mubarak's son.
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A court in southern Egypt has sentenced a Muslim man to death for his role in the killing one year ago of six Coptic Christians and a Muslim policeman.

The man, Mohamed Ahmed Hussein, is one of three charged in the drive-by shooting that occurred January 6, 2010, in the Egyptian town of Nagaa Hammadi.  The other two are to be sentenced next month.

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There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.

Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it.

Thankfully, most Muslims are anti-Brotherhood.  In the light of something like that happening, I think people will rally around Mubarak's son.
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