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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 11:21:44 PM » |
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Have mercy, O Lord, on the souls of your departed servants. Eternal Memory.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 11:27:19 PM » |
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Lord have Mercy.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 11:27:54 PM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
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If you're living a happy life as a Christian, you're doing something wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 11:33:41 PM » |
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Lord have mercy! Memory Eternal!
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
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If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
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and both come out of your mouth
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 11:35:32 PM » |
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Memory eternal.
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As a result of a thousand million years of evolution, the universe is becoming conscious of itself, able to understand something of its past history and its possible future.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 11:55:25 PM » |
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Lord, have mercy. Memory Eternal.
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I believe in One God, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.
Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 12:06:46 AM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple. Lord, have mercy on the departed. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 12:10:20 AM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
Evil is evil. There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder. In fact, most poor uneducated people are not murderers. And also, as a matter of fact, most of the killing in this world is orchestrated by highly educated people in places of high power. Selam |
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"Salvation is free, but not easy. It is completely dependent upon the grace of God, and yet we must work it out with fear and trembling. It is given to all, but only a few find it. We are saved only by His Cross, and yet not without taking up our own." +GMK+
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 12:11:13 AM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple. Lord, have mercy on the departed. We think alike.  Selam |
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"Salvation is free, but not easy. It is completely dependent upon the grace of God, and yet we must work it out with fear and trembling. It is given to all, but only a few find it. We are saved only by His Cross, and yet not without taking up our own." +GMK+
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 12:12:10 AM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple. "Qena is one of Egypt's poorest and most conservative areas." Poverty and ignorance breed stupidities like "revenge". |
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 12:25:46 AM » |
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It wasn't even revenge. It's a continuation of the persecution of the Copts. Already in November there was almost a week of Muslims burning Coptic neighborhoods over this incident. From what I heard, the 12 year old girl can't even identify who her attacker was. Somehow a Coptic man was named and now the entire Coptic community is being attacked.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 12:26:23 AM » |
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There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder. Not being formally educated doesn't make one ignorant. Things like bigotry do. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 12:29:19 AM » |
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And even rich and educated people can be bigoted.
You're right, though. This is a case of religious bigotry.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 02:27:07 AM » |
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Memory Eternal ! For the Innocent Victims...Amen Amen
Lord Have Mercy...Amen
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 ГОСПОДЕ ГОСПОДЕ ,ПОГЛЕДАЈ СА НЕБА ,ДОЂИ И ПОСЕТИ ТВОЈ ВИНОГРАД ТВОЈА ДЕСНИЦА ПОСАДИЛА АМИН АМИН. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 02:27:56 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 02:37:13 AM » |
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"loving one's enemies does not mean loving wickedness, ungodliness, adultery, or theft. Rather, it means loving the theif, the ungodly, and the adulterer." Clement of Alexandria 195 A.D. http://ancientchristiandefender.blogspot.com/ |
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 11:00:32 AM » |
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Churchgoers shot at Coptic Christmas midnight Mass in Egypt Agencies From: AP January 07, 2010 1:50PM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share
Add to DiggAdd to del.icio.usAdd to FacebookAdd to KwoffAdd to MyspaceAdd to NewsvineWhat are these?THREE men in a car sprayed automatic gunfire into a crowd of churchgoers in Egypt as they left a midnight Mass for Coptic Christmas, killing at least seven people.
Egypt's Interior Ministry said the attack just before midnight on Wednesday was suspected as retaliation for the November rape of a Muslim girl by a Christian man in the same town. Officials aid witnesses had identified the lead attacker.
The attack happened in the town of Nag Hamadi in Qena province, 64km from the ancient ruins of Luxor.
A local security official confirmed seven were dead and three seriously wounded.
Bishop Kirollos of the Nag Hamadi Diocese said six male churchgoers and one security guard were killed. He said he had left St John's church just minutes before the attack.
"A driving car swerved near me, so I took the back door. By the time I shook hands with someone at the gate, I heard the mayhem, lots of machinegun shots," he said by phone.
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The bishop said he was concerned about violence on the eve of Coptic Christmas, which falls on Thursday, because of previous threats following the rape of the 12-year-old girl in November.
He got a message on his mobile phone saying: "It is your turn."
"I did nothing with it. My faithful were also receiving threats in the streets, some shouting at them: 'We will not let you have festivities'," he said.
Because of the threats, he said he ended his Christmas Mass one hour early.
He said Muslim residents of Nag Hamadi and neighbouring villages rioted for five days in November and torched and damaged Christian properties in the area after the rape.
"For days, I had expected something to happen on Christmas Day," he said.
The bishop said police have now asked him to stay at home for fear of further violence.
Qena is one of Egypt's poorest and most conservative areas.
Christians, mostly Coptic, account for about 10 per cent of Egypt's predominantly Muslim population.
As Islamic conservatism gains ground, Christians have increasingly complained about discrimination by the Muslim majority.
Clashes between Muslims and Christians are not uncommon in southern Egypt and in recent years have begun seeping into the capital.
An Amnesty International report said sectarian attacks on the Coptic Christian community, comprising between six million and eight million people in Egypt, increased in the year 2008. Sporadic clashes between Coptic Christians and Muslims left eight people dead.
Vendetta killing is also common among southern Egyptians and is usually over land or family disputes.
The bishop said he had an idea of who the attackers were, calling them "Muslim radicals."
"It is all religious now. This is a religious war about how they can finish off the Christians in Egypt," he said.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 11:58:48 AM » |
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Lord have mercy! What's supposed to be a festive Christmas day for Copts turned into a day of sorrow for the families and friends of those killed. Also pray that the situation may not escalate, as it seems to go that direction: http://globalist.org.ua/eng/144680-egyptian-orthodox-were-killed-on-christmas-nightThe Copts have attacked the police forces near the morgue where the dead bodies of killed orthodox Egyptians were brought. |
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Vain existence can never exist, for \\\"unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain.\\\" (Psalm 127)
If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 02:45:54 PM » |
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 Lord, have mercy on the departed souls and on those who have been led astray. I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots. There are plenty of poor and uneducated people who do not commit murder. In fact, most poor uneducated people are not murderers. And also, as a matter of fact, most of the killing in this world is orchestrated by highly educated people in places of high power. Wise words, I say. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 04:07:28 PM » |
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Lord have mercy on the Copts who probably suffer as much poverty and much more oppression than those who lord it over them.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 05:28:33 PM » |
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The Jews wanted a strong secular king, someone like Judas Macabees, BUT they got the son of an ignorant carpenter who was poor. Jesus came to save people from their sins....not from lack of education or inadequate investments.
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Thou shalt not prefer one thing to another (Law of Liberalism)
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 05:36:52 PM » |
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I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.
You'd be surprised. Of course, one could try to take into account all of the various factors that might encourage Muslim fanaticism (the relationship between the corrupt Egyptian autocracy, Israel and America, for example), but it's basically a case of fanatics among the Muslim majority randomly attacking Christians. There were several such incidents in 2009. |
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 05:50:30 PM » |
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Ignorance and poverty are a bad combination.
This wasn't about ignorance and/or poverty, but revenge, pure and simple. "Qena is one of Egypt's poorest and most conservative areas." Poverty and ignorance breed stupidities like "revenge".    http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/vercontents.html |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2010, 09:59:24 AM » |
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I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.
Have you traveled in Egypt? Muslim villagers are extremely radical in outlook, and in Cairo things aren't much better. People were selflessly hospitable to me personally, but throughout my travels in the countryside I heard rant after rant about how wrong the Christian religion is. My Egyptian friends belonging to the intelligentsia are considering emigration, because as soon as Mubarak dies, a civil war and Islamic revolution seems inevitable. |
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2010, 12:52:34 PM » |
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I find it hard to believe that it's strictly religious. I find it hard to believe that all that chaos is coming from Muslims who are just being bigots.
Have you traveled in Egypt? Muslim villagers are extremely radical in outlook, and in Cairo things aren't much better. People were selflessly hospitable to me personally, but throughout my travels in the countryside I heard rant after rant about how wrong the Christian religion is. My Egyptian friends belonging to the intelligentsia are considering emigration, because as soon as Mubarak dies, a civil war and Islamic revolution seems inevitable. There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM » |
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There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.
Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it. |
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There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.
Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it. Thankfully, most Muslims are anti-Brotherhood. In the light of something like that happening, I think people will rally around Mubarak's son. |
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Vain existence can never exist, for \\\"unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain.\\\" (Psalm 127)
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There's a prediction that by 2011, when Mubarak's term is over, it's predicted his son will run for the presidency, win by a landslide, and continue running his father's policies.
Mubarak's son is a political nobody, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to retain control over the country. The transition from father to son could easily be disrupted if the Muslim Brotherhood put their mind to it. Thankfully, most Muslims are anti-Brotherhood. In the light of something like that happening, I think people will rally around Mubarak's son. Like a de facto Royal Family - the throne passes to Mubarak's son to be confirmed in an election. The loss of the Monarchy to Egypt was a disaster for Egypt. |
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