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Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« on: January 05, 2010, 04:50:59 PM »
If you are named Jordan, you would celebrate your name day on Theophany, right? But who would be your patron saint--St John the Baptist?
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 05:02:38 PM »
If you are named Jordan, you would celebrate your name day on Theophany, right? But who would be your patron saint--St John the Baptist?

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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 12:13:29 PM »
Whos my Patron Saint? My name is Ian. I guess it'd John the Baptist or John the Evangelist right? Hmmm..  ::)
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 12:21:52 PM »
Whos my Patron Saint? My name is Ian. I guess it'd John the Baptist or John the Evangelist right? Hmmm..  ::)

Both of those would make excellent choices (you, your priest, or the two of you in concert will decide for sure at the time of your baptism). However, there there are hundreds of St. John's--your choice isn't limited to those two

St. John Chrysostom
St. John of Damascus
St. John the Unmercenary
St. John Cassian
St. John Climacus
St. John of Beverly
St. John of Rila

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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 08:22:32 PM »
Whos my Patron Saint? My name is Ian. I guess it'd John the Baptist or John the Evangelist right? Hmmm..  ::)

Both of those would make excellent choices (you, your priest, or the two of you in concert will decide for sure at the time of your baptism). However, there there are hundreds of St. John's--your choice isn't limited to those two

St. John Chrysostom
St. John of Damascus
St. John the Unmercenary
St. John Cassian
St. John Climacus
St. John of Beverly
St. John of Rila

And I haven't even left the first millennium yet...
St. John of Damascus would be an awesome choice. But of course I am biased. :)
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 08:30:36 PM »
If you are named Jordan, you would celebrate your name day on Theophany, right? But who would be your patron saint--St John the Baptist?
You would have two choices, your Patron would be St. John the Baptist or the Trinity as revealed at the Theophany.
I have a friend in Greece called "Iordani" whose feast day is the Synaxis of the Forerunner (January 7) and a cousin called "Theophania" whose feast day is Theophany (January 6). Traditionally in Greece, it is your sponsor who decides your patron and feast day.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 09:05:03 PM »
Someone named Jordan would fall into the same category as Greeks named Sotirios/Sotiria, Stavros/Stavroula, Evangelos/Evangelia, Panaghiotis/Panaghiota and Lambrini. While, in some cases, people bearing such names have gone on to become saints, the origins of these names is from a specific feast of the Church, namely: the Transfiguration of the Lord, the Exaltation of the Cross, the Annunciation, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and Easter. Therefore, people with these names would simply celebrate their nameday on the appropriate feastday, and their patronal icon would be that of the feast. So someone named Jordan would have as their patronal icon that of the Theophany.

Of course, the Slavic tradition does not allow such "festal" names, unless there already exists a saint by that name, such as Anastasios/Anastasia (of the Resurrection).

Traditionally in Greece, it is your sponsor who decides your patron and feast day.

Not quite. Just as common, ozgeorge, is the tradition, not just in Greece, but in Russia and elsewhere, of naming children, particularly the first-born boy and girl, after one's parents. Russian priests often will appoint a patron saint and feastday when informed of the prospective baptismal name, commonly choosing a saint of that name whose feast is closest to the child's birth date or baptismal date.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 09:28:39 PM »
Traditionally in Greece, it is your sponsor who decides your patron and feast day.

Not quite. Just as common, ozgeorge, is the tradition, not just in Greece, but in Russia and elsewhere, of naming children, particularly the first-born boy and girl, after one's parents. Russian priests often will appoint a patron saint and feastday when informed of the prospective baptismal name, commonly choosing a saint of that name whose feast is closest to the child's birth date or baptismal date.
So if you are named for the Baptist in Russia, who decides when you feast day is? In Greece it is the Sponsor.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 10:24:48 PM »
Traditionally in Greece, it is your sponsor who decides your patron and feast day.

Not quite. Just as common, ozgeorge, is the tradition, not just in Greece, but in Russia and elsewhere, of naming children, particularly the first-born boy and girl, after one's parents. Russian priests often will appoint a patron saint and feastday when informed of the prospective baptismal name, commonly choosing a saint of that name whose feast is closest to the child's birth date or baptismal date.
So if you are named for the Baptist in Russia, who decides when you feast day is? In Greece it is the Sponsor.

Of the Orthodox in my extended family (there are also Roman Catholics and Lutherans), I would be struggling to find any of the Greeks having had their feast day chosen by their sponsors. It was the parents. Of the Russians in my family, a few had their feastday chosen by the priest, but, again, the rest were by the parents.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 10:32:56 PM »
Traditionally in Greece, it is your sponsor who decides your patron and feast day.

Not quite. Just as common, ozgeorge, is the tradition, not just in Greece, but in Russia and elsewhere, of naming children, particularly the first-born boy and girl, after one's parents. Russian priests often will appoint a patron saint and feastday when informed of the prospective baptismal name, commonly choosing a saint of that name whose feast is closest to the child's birth date or baptismal date.
So if you are named for the Baptist in Russia, who decides when you feast day is? In Greece it is the Sponsor.

Of the Orthodox in my extended family (there are also Roman Catholics and Lutherans), I would be struggling to find any of the Greeks having had their feast day chosen by their sponsors. It was the parents. Of the Russians in my family, a few had their feastday chosen by the priest, but, again, the rest were by the parents.
Are they in Russia?
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 11:36:02 PM »
Some are, some aren't. Likewise for the Greeks.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 08:00:31 AM »
Maybe you should start a local veneration of him?

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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 12:34:11 AM »
That would be cool, Mike. Maybe there's more information to dig up on him.

But there are, actually, three Orthodox saints named Jordan--Jordan the Wonderworker (May 2), who died in peace, and Jordan of Trebizond, the New Martyr (Feb. 2), and Jordan the Martyr with Suchias in Armenia (AD 123) on April 15.
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2014, 01:38:43 AM »
If you are named Jordan, you would celebrate your name day on Theophany, right? But who would be your patron saint--St John the Baptist?
Look up Saint Jordan of Trebizond  ;)
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Re: Patron Saint of Jordan (person, not the country)
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2014, 05:30:02 PM »
If you are named Jordan, you would celebrate your name day on Theophany, right? But who would be your patron saint--St John the Baptist?
Look up Saint Jordan of Trebizond  ;)

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