10 why you should all grow a beard!

[GammaRay]

I already stopped shaving!

http://www.biggerbetterbeards.org/

*WARNING* Link is a slick ad for a dating site, click at your own risk - Arimethea

[Michał Kalina]

I've already been growing mine

[Papist]

I think that this thread is discriminatory against people, like myself, who cannot grow beards. LOL 

[LizaSymonenko]

...hmmm......scratching thankfully beardless chin.

[Rosehip]

Everyone should click on this link-it's outrageously funny! But then again, discriminatory and sexist...
Mike, looks like you've got a long way to go until the beautiful woman will start flocking to you. 

[stashko]

I've already been growing mine

Hello Mike ...I have a Picture Id Like to Post but its really Large ..How does one make it smaller.. for posting....

[Alveus Lacuna]

Check:

[scamandrius]

I've got a beard, but will not post the image because it's been a day after a trim where the clippers shaved a little too close.  SHould be fixed in about a week.

[IPC]

I'm wearing a goatie, trimmed short, just to show the redish/blond "shade" round my mouth and on my chin.

Does that count like a beard?

Ladies like it

[stashko]

Heres My Picture me at a friends  business...He's my lutheran friend he sold Catholic Things that the churches threw out after vatican 2..
Sorry to say but i do smoke...nasty habit hard to break...

[Rosehip]

Does that count like a beard?

IPC, you should know that the offical OC.net Beard-Judging committee (of which I am an important and even,charter member, btw) will not be satisfied by this mere word-picture of a beard. We need to see some real evidence, which, at the very least, is an authentic,current  photo of contestant. Thank you kindly in advance for your compliance to the Rules.

[ozgeorge]

Only holy old men have beards. I'm just old.

[Asteriktos]

I do not want to shock you, my friends, but not all think so highly of beards. I know, it's hard to believe, but tis so.   I used to frequent a forum that allowed people to give you a positive or negative vote. The general idea was that if you made a good post you'd get a positive vote, and if you made poor posts you'd get negative votes. But obviously it was used for much more than that. I had a picture of myself on the avatar (most people had pics of themselves as avatars there, and it was sort of considered hiding if you didn't), and I had a fairly long goatee. Nor Orthodox monk long, but maybe 5-6 inches. I got positive votes from people for having an "alpha beard," as one person put it. Then I also got negative votes with some, well, we'll just call them degoratory comments. I guess I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool modernist now, because I keep my goatee fairly short.

[Punch]

My beard at about its usual length.

[Asteriktos]

Sorry, just noticed. I don't know what "degoratory comments" are, as I mentioned in my last post. I got derogatory comments in addition to them, though.

[IPC]

Sorry Rosehip, I thought it was a joke. I'll just watch then

[Tzimis]

I'm wearing a goatie, trimmed short, just to show the redish/blond "shade" round my mouth and on my chin.

Does that count like a beard?

Ladies like it

No. I have one just like yours. Except mine is brown.

[GammaRay]

Check:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/xcreativenamex/6450_227603015550_562690550_8145043.jpg

I always wanted to tell you (since I spotted you on Facebook) that your beard rules.

What do you think about Karl's beard? Why is it so dirty?

[Asteriktos]

I'm bored... and happened upon this thread again (saw someone viewing it in the Who's Online)... so to bump the thread... the many beards of Asteriktos...



1. The "I'm so uber-pious I don't care how I look, even if I frighten my own children" beard.
2. The "I just converted to Orthodoxy... MUST GROW BEARD!" beard.
3. The "I'm from the 70's, man!" beard (ok, technically not a beard).
4. The "I'm going bald anyway, so why bother anymore?" beard.

Some people promised pics of their beard, but never delivered!

[That person]

I call it the "I'm 16 and really can't be bothered to shave but hope to grow an awesome beard like Alveus' in the future" beard.

[Kasatkin fan]

I've been growing a beard over lent. Not on purpose, the last time I shaved was just before Lent started, one day I looked in the mirror and realized I hadn't shaved in a while, I decided retroactively that I was going to grow a beard.

Of course I'm not naturally a very hairy person, so it's a pretty meagre affair.

[Saint Iaint]

Check:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/xcreativenamex/6450_227603015550_562690550_8145043.jpg

I always wanted to tell you (since I spotted you on Facebook) that your beard rules.

What do you think about Karl's beard? Why is it so dirty?

Well, being the 'father' of Communism (the adopted son of and purveyor of death)... he had probably recently been eating... babies.

And what's up with the hand in the coat?  Who's he think he is anyway - Napoleon?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[Jason.Wike]

And what's up with the hand in the coat?  Who's he think he is anyway - Napoleon?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

He was probably getting ready to kill the photographer.

[zekarja]

 “You shall not make to yourselves curls and round rasures.” Nor may men destroy the hair of their beards, and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the law says: “Ye shall not mar your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men. - Apostolic Constitutions Book I Sec II



As-Salamu alaykum,
zekarja

[Saint Iaint]

Uh oh...

I just shaved!

I had a good one going too... actually the first time in my life I had one.

For the law says: “Ye shall not mar your beards.”

Does something from Leviticus really apply to Christians though?

"Apostolic"? Isn't the following as Apostolic as you can get?


"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
- Romans 3:19

 "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin."
- Romans 7:14

"(...) and to the Judeans I became as a Judean, that I might win Judeans; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;"
- I Corinthians 9:20

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.'"
- Galatians 3:10

"But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed."
- Galatians 3:23

"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons."
- Galatians 4:4,5

"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?"
- Galatians 4:21

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
- Galatians 5:18

"Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?"
- Hebrews 7:11

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

Can someone provide me w/ an Eastern Orthodox link detailing/expounding on these?

Thanks,

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[John of the North]

“How womanly it is for one who is a man to shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect & to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, & smooth them! For God wished women to be smooth & to rejoice in their locks. But he adorned man like the lions, with a beard, & endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest, a sign of strength & rule.” - Clement of Alexandria

[zekarja]

For God wished women to be smooth, and rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane; but has adorned man, like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him, as an attribute of manhood, with shaggy breasts,—a sign this of strength and rule. [...] This, then, the mark of the man, the beard, by which he is seen to be a man, is older than Eve, and is the token of the superior nature. In this God deemed it right that he should excel, and dispersed hair over man’s whole body. Whatever smoothness and softness was in him He abstracted from his side when He formed the woman Eve, physically receptive, his partner in parentage, his help in household management, while he (for he had parted with all smoothness) remained a man, and shows himself man. And to him has been assigned action, as to her suffering; for what is shaggy is drier and warmer than what is smooth. [...] But the embellishment of smoothing (for I am warned by the Word), if it is to attract men, is the act of an effeminate person,—if to attract women, is the act of an adulterer; and both must be driven as far as possible from our society. “But the very hairs of your head are all numbered,” says the Lord; those on the chin, too, are numbered, and those on the whole body. There must be therefore no plucking out, contrary to God’s appointment, which has counted them in according to His will. - St Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor: Book 3 Chapter 3

(Emphasis mine.)

[Alveus Lacuna]

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.

[zekarja]

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.

You've got that right.

[Jason.Wike]

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

[Saint Iaint]

There must be therefore no plucking out, contrary to God’s appointment, which has counted them in according to His will. - St Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor: Book 3 Chapter 3

(Emphasis mine.)

Well phew!

Luckily for me I didn't pluck it.

Just a once-over with the clippers... so I'm still stubbly.

(I'm not 'womanly', honest I'm not..)

Ha,

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.

Now what ever gave you the impression that I like to argue?

 

(Note: That was my first and last ever use of a 'smiley'.)

... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[zekarja]

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


EDIT:

84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html

[Punch]

“You shall not make to yourselves curls and round rasures.” Nor may men destroy the hair of their beards, and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the law says: “Ye shall not mar your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men. - Apostolic Constitutions Book I Sec II



As-Salamu alaykum,
zekarja

That is what confused me about the title of this thread.  I only needed one, and I have not shaved it off since reading that passage almost 20 years ago.

[Punch]

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Well, I have read prohibitions on shaving.  I have not read any on bathing.  I did note in the reading for today that Jesus did not stop the woman from pouring perfume on his feet.

[Punch]

... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?

[Saint Iaint]

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


EDIT:

84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html

... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?

Yes, thank-you... I'm sorry - I meant more specifically a (perhaps more contemporary?) discussion about the 'Apostolic Constitutions'.

I promise I wont use them to start any arguments!

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[Punch]

Actually, it is I that should be sorry.  I am one week into a 60 day long evening shift (7 days per week), and upon re-reading my post, I thought to myself "what an a$$".  There are some modern writings on this subject, and I have read them.  As soon as I can find them again, I will post them.  It is important to note that even the most conservative modern writers that I have read also leave a lot of room for economy on this subject.  I was once told by a ROCOR priest that at the time the older writings were composed, only homosexuals and pagans would shave their faces.  Societarial norms have changed considerably since then, and the motivations for shaving are not the same as back then.  I had to shave for 8 years of my career in the nuclear industry, and it had nothing to do with defacing the image of God.  Moses, Clement and Cyprian never had to wear a BioMarine rebreather as part of their job, nor did they have to breathe what we did if the thing failed.

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


EDIT:

84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html

... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?

Yes, thank-you... I'm sorry - I meant more specifically a (perhaps more contemporary?) discussion about the 'Apostolic Constitutions'.

I promise I wont use them to start any arguments!

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[Agabus]

I don't shave because I'm afraid that I've gotten ugly underneath. You start to think that sort of thing after year eight.

[Ninjaly Awesome]

I wish I could grow a beard, but I can't because of my workplace.

[HandmaidenofGod]

Those who quote and interpret the Church Fathers without the advisement of their Spiritual Father are about as wise as those who think they can be a doctor because they spent time on WebMD and read a Medical Textbook.

The canons of the Church and the writings of the Fathers are not to be used to judge and shout proclamations at one another, but they are guidelines that Spiritual Fathers are to use when administering "prescriptions for theosis" to their Spiritual Children. Remember, the Church is a Hospital for Sinners, and last time I checked, we are all in need of healing.

To judge the spiritual state of an individual based on the length of hair on their face is both silly and incorrect.

[Saint Iaint]

Actually, it is I that should be sorry.  I am one week into a 60 day long evening shift (7 days per week), and upon re-reading my post, I thought to myself "what an a$$".  There are some modern writings on this subject, and I have read them.  As soon as I can find them again, I will post them.  It is important to note that even the most conservative modern writers that I have read also leave a lot of room for economy on this subject.  I was once told by a ROCOR priest that at the time the older writings were composed, only homosexuals and pagans would shave their faces.  Societarial norms have changed considerably since then, and the motivations for shaving are not the same as back then.  I had to shave for 8 years of my career in the nuclear industry, and it had nothing to do with defacing the image of God.  Moses, Clement and Cyprian never had to wear a BioMarine rebreather as part of their job, nor did they have to breathe what we did if the thing failed.

Water off a duck's back man.

Appreciate it...

I can certainly empathize w/ you regarding the long hours. It's something not a lot of people can handle... so I definitely respect that, and I can also relate to your being what we used to call 'bushed'.

I did seismic exploration for a few years... It's seven days/week, 12-14hrs every single day.

Man was I in good shape though! I literally put a pro boxer to shame out there in the mountains (cardio/output-wise). I admit - I still miss being a 'Jughound' and I could easily see myself doing that job again.

Nothing but the great outdoors... lots of travel; always someplace new every day.

The best part was we had literally no expenses. On top of our wage we had our hotel rooms paid for... and we got $30/day for food n stuff.

Without a doubt the best job I ever had.

But getting back to the beard thing... I really have no aversion to beardliness (I thought it might be a bit hot in the summer though) but I'm still not sure I'm convinced that being Christian requires it.

Are there not American Orthodox who are quite beardless?

Thanks again Punch, may God give you the stamina to carry on and do what you gotta do.

Doesn't it irk you to have to work Saturdays and Sundays though?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

[vamrat]

It's not contemporary nor is it Orthodox but I like this line so -

"a fine head of hair made the handsome more comely still, and the ugly more terrible."

Plutarch - The Life of Lycurgus, one of my favorite historical/mythological figures.

[Punch]

Water off a duck's back man.

Appreciate it...

I can certainly empathize w/ you regarding the long hours. It's something not a lot of people can handle... so I definitely respect that, and I can also relate to your being what we used to call 'bushed'.

I did seismic exploration for a few years... It's seven days/week, 12-14hrs every single day.

Man was I in good shape though! I literally put a pro boxer to shame out there in the mountains (cardio/output-wise). I admit - I still miss being a 'Jughound' and I could easily see myself doing that job again.

Nothing but the great outdoors... lots of travel; always someplace new every day.

The best part was we had literally no expenses. On top of our wage we had our hotel rooms paid for... and we got $30/day for food n stuff.

Without a doubt the best job I ever had.

But getting back to the beard thing... I really have no aversion to beardliness (I thought it might be a bit hot in the summer though) but I'm still not sure I'm convinced that being Christian requires it.

Are there not American Orthodox who are quite beardless?

Thanks again Punch, may God give you the stamina to carry on and do what you gotta do.

Doesn't it irk you to have to work Saturdays and Sundays though?

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

Sounds like a fun job!  A beard does not a Christian make; else the Vikings would have been Church Fathers.  I also like Vamrat’s quote above as there is much truth to it.  I would think that you would find that many of the Northern peoples and Orientals that converted to Orthodoxy would be quite beardless.  However, they would be no less Orthodox for it.  I prefer that men look like men and women look like women (and Vamrat, you be quiet about the RuPaul thing).  But, in today’s society, there are ways to do that without facial hair down to your belly button.  I do take the writings of the Fathers seriously, and choose to wear a beard because there is really no reason for me not to.  What other’s do is their business.

Yes, the Saturdays and Sundays bother me.  That is why I chose the evenings shift as it still allows me to attend Liturgy.  A coworker will cover for me during Holy Week when I have to serve at some of the services, thank God (and him) for that.  On the bright side, I am one of those evil Union people that everyone seems to hate with envy, so I get well compensated for the odd hours and seven day work week.  If I didn’t, I’d find another line of employment.

[zekarja]

Those who quote and interpret the Church Fathers without the advisement of their Spiritual Father are about as wise as those who think they can be a doctor because they spent time on WebMD and read a Medical Textbook.

The canons of the Church and the writings of the Fathers are not to be used to judge and shout proclamations at one another, but they are guidelines that Spiritual Fathers are to use when administering "prescriptions for theosis" to their Spiritual Children. Remember, the Church is a Hospital for Sinners, and last time I checked, we are all in need of healing.

To judge the spiritual state of an individual based on the length of hair on their face is both silly and incorrect.

You are correct judging and shouting. However, if you are saying that one shouldn't read/quote the Fathers to better understand scripture and edify, I disagree. I apologize if the Church Fathers that I quoted came off as my being judgmental. I personally do not judge people based on facial hair (nor should I in anything else for that matter). I merely quoted what the Fathers said about beards as an anecdote for this topic. I apologize if anyone felt that I was judging them based off of my posts.

As-Salamu alaykum,
zekarja

[harri262]

Orthodoxy calls us to be living ikons of Christ (Who had a beard). But we should also avoid falling into the temptation of spiritual pride.

[biro]

Why is it so bad to cut your beard, but okay to cut the hair on the back of your head?... 

Never mind, I'm a girl so I'll have to buy a fake beard. It is almost Halloween, anyway. 

[ialmisry]

Orthodoxy calls us to be living ikons of Christ (Who had a beard).

and Who was circumcized.

But we should also avoid falling into the temptation of spiritual pride.

Indeed!

[orthonorm]

Cross cultural studies show that women see men with thicker and longer beards to be more masculine and virile and yet still show an over-whelming preference for the slightly more than 5 o'clock shadow look, when choosing who they would actually "date".

Clean shaven not so much.

Most dudes in the US who convert to Orthodoxy and grow out a beard are LARPing. If that statement bothers you, then it is definitely true for you.

My facial hair is determined by work conditions, season, and degree of care about what I look like.

In other words, I am a man.

[LizaSymonenko]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

[orthonorm]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

[That person]

I call it the "I'm 16 and really can't be bothered to shave but hope to grow an awesome beard like Alveus' in the future" beard.

I managed to get to this point before I finally broke down and shaved:

It turns out I can only take having my facial hair likened to pubic hair so many times.

[TheMathematician]

I call it the "I'm 16 and really can't be bothered to shave but hope to grow an awesome beard like Alveus' in the future" beard.

I managed to get to this point before I finally broke down and shaved:

It turns out I can only take having my facial hair likened to pubic hair so many times.

terrible, terrible show

[IsmiLiora]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

[augustin717]

I haven't fully shaved in about 4 years. But I only keep my facial hair at this level.

[orthonorm]

I haven't fully shaved in about 4 years. But I only keep my facial hair at this level.

And people wonder how you to are able to lure the ladies back to the rat cave . . .

Haters.

[dzheremi]

Cross cultural studies show that women see men with thicker and longer beards to be more masculine and virile and yet still show an over-whelming preference for the slightly more than 5 o'clock shadow look, when choosing who they would actually "date".

This has been the consensus of basically every woman I've known (from all cultural backgrounds), including the women I've dated. Coincidentally(?), it is also my preference as a man, not because I dislike full beards but because if I grow my facial hair out past a certain point it sends a message that is less "distinguished, rugged man" and more "I thought we captured the Unibomber years ago...?" Perhaps I am too lazy for the upkeep involved in not looking like a terrorist hobo. I don't know.

[ialmisry]

I managed to get to this point before I finally broke down and shaved:

what's up with the Thai?

[orthonorm]

I managed to get to this point before I finally broke down and shaved:

what's up with the Thai?

Moreover, respect to those who say screw it and go full on American tourist.

[ialmisry]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

[orthonorm]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.



 

[akimori makoto]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.



 

Every word in this post is accurate beyond doubt.

[IsmiLiora]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

[ialmisry]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

Ah.  I don't confuse fetishes with hygienic practices (not that I have anything against either fetishes or hygienic practices, just that I know the difference).

[augustin717]

Just googled "post-pubescent look". This is the first item showing up:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=6092
Satan is keeps it trendy.

[IsmiLiora]

LOL Baptists.

[orthonorm]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Nope. Gay men do.

There is still a disconnect between women in men's magazines and those in women's magazine. Gay fashionistas have certainly been setting the trend and straight men have been following, but there has been a disconnect.

Lest anyone even accuse me of being "homophobic", you don't know me.

This is truth.

You spend time at magazine kiosks take a look at the differences, they are there.

Being a long time reader and having an interest in this subject, you can go from as early as you want in printed 20th Century women's and men's magazines and see the differences and how gay men have shaped our understanding of the female and now male form.

[orthonorm]

Just googled "post-pubescent look". This is the first item showing up:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=6092
Satan is keeps it trendy.

NICE! And a huge beard no less.

[ialmisry]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Can't say I've wanted a 9 or 10 year old woman since I was 10.

[IsmiLiora]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Nope. Gay men do.

There is still a disconnect between women in men's magazines and those in women's magazine. Gay fashionistas have certainly been setting the trend and straight men have been following, but there has been a disconnect.

Lest anyone even accuse me of being "homophobic", you don't know me.

This is truth.

You spend time at magazine kiosks take a look at the differences, they are there.

Being a long time reader and having an interest in this subject, you can go from as early as you want in printed 20th Century women's and men's magazines and see the differences and how gay men have shaped our understanding of the female and now male form.

So you are saying that all men who want their women to have a Brazilian or the full treatment or whatever you want to call it -- that they're all gay? Or that gay men influenced that?

If it's the latter, I agree.
If it's the former, the number of gay men in America just increased by 3,400%.

[orthonorm]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

Ah.  I don't confuse fetishes with hygienic practices (not that I have anything against either fetishes or hygienic practices, just that I know the difference).

I was being ironic. However, next to the idea you will look more "youthful", attractive (what woman wants back hair<-------that is where this began), you get the hygiene spiel: cut down on unwanted body odor.

[ialmisry]

Just googled "post-pubescent look". This is the first item showing up:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=6092
Satan is keeps it trendy.

NICE! And a huge beard no less.

Now, It certainly looks to me like an underage male positioning himself for a sodomizing of his mother, but of course it is open to some interpretation. However, one thing we can all agree upon is that this image contains a "post-pubescent female breast".

Wait you're wife is 13? Isn't that illegal?

Not in certain counties in certain states. Not that its any of your business either.

Why is it that all you perverts are so interested in Brother Warrior's new wife?

I don't want to understand.

Though I would call the authorities if I knew "Brother Warrior"'s idenity.

[orthonorm]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Nope. Gay men do.

There is still a disconnect between women in men's magazines and those in women's magazine. Gay fashionistas have certainly been setting the trend and straight men have been following, but there has been a disconnect.

Lest anyone even accuse me of being "homophobic", you don't know me.

This is truth.

You spend time at magazine kiosks take a look at the differences, they are there.

Being a long time reader and having an interest in this subject, you can go from as early as you want in printed 20th Century women's and men's magazines and see the differences and how gay men have shaped our understanding of the female and now male form.

So you are saying that all men who want their women to have a Brazilian or the full treatment or whatever you want to call it -- that they're all gay? Or that gay men influenced that?

If it's the latter, I agree.
If it's the former, the number of gay men in America just increased by 3,400%.

The latter. And many guys I know find the Brazilian or full on very dis-tasteful. Of course I am in the Midwest, where we ain't so sophisticated.

I dated a girl about five years ago. The girl who did her Brazilian had one other female client and her colleagues very few. They bulk were all gay men.

Now many women get it done here and guess who is the new market: straight men.

[akimori makoto]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

Ah.  I don't confuse fetishes with hygienic practices (not that I have anything against either fetishes or hygienic practices, just that I know the difference).

I was being ironic. However, next to the idea you will look more "youthful", attractive (what woman wants back hair<-------that is where this began), you get the hygiene spiel: cut down on unwanted body odor.

"Hygiene" is constantly used as a convenient cover for what would otherwise be called out as blatant narcissism, as is "health". Example: I spent five days of last week in the gym for my "health", and I undertook a full body wax for "hygiene" purposes.

[ialmisry]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Nope. Gay men do.

There is still a disconnect between women in men's magazines and those in women's magazine. Gay fashionistas have certainly been setting the trend and straight men have been following, but there has been a disconnect.

Lest anyone even accuse me of being "homophobic", you don't know me.

This is truth.

You spend time at magazine kiosks take a look at the differences, they are there.

Being a long time reader and having an interest in this subject, you can go from as early as you want in printed 20th Century women's and men's magazines and see the differences and how gay men have shaped our understanding of the female and now male form.

women dress for other women, and women models dress for gay men. Ah, the world of fashion.

[ialmisry]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

Ah.  I don't confuse fetishes with hygienic practices (not that I have anything against either fetishes or hygienic practices, just that I know the difference).

I was being ironic. However, next to the idea you will look more "youthful", attractive (what woman wants back hair<-------that is where this began), you get the hygiene spiel: cut down on unwanted body odor.

"Hygiene" is constantly used as a convenient cover for what would otherwise be called out as blatant narcissism, as is "health". Example: I spent five days of last week in the gym for my "health", and I undertook a full body wax for "hygiene" purposes.

TMI

[orthonorm]

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

Nope. Gay men do.

There is still a disconnect between women in men's magazines and those in women's magazine. Gay fashionistas have certainly been setting the trend and straight men have been following, but there has been a disconnect.

Lest anyone even accuse me of being "homophobic", you don't know me.

This is truth.

You spend time at magazine kiosks take a look at the differences, they are there.

Being a long time reader and having an interest in this subject, you can go from as early as you want in printed 20th Century women's and men's magazines and see the differences and how gay men have shaped our understanding of the female and now male form.

women dress for other women, and women models dress for gay men. Ah, the world of fashion.

I could on at length about the reasons behind these decisions from a photographic POV, cultural, etc.

It interesting when you compare this to say Michelangelo, who hated the female form and went out his way to produce some bizarre stuff, men / boys with bad breast implants, so he would simply get more commissions for what he wanted: sculpting men.

Just look at the animals and their placement alone. Weird.

[akimori makoto]

...darn...and I just shaved!   

Liza, if you only knew how many men probably spend more time with their own body hair than most women nowadays . . .

Fun (or not so fun) fact: "Do you manscape?" is one of the top 10 questions in the Bachelor section of Cosmo/Glamour/whatever magazine. So is "Sex on the first date: Sexy or skanky?" Our culture certainly has some twisted priorities.

Anyway, beards, +1. Love em. The Mr. used to have one until work forbid it.  He's making do with a soul patch -- I know. But I love it on him.

I am considering coming back and voting for my favorite * beard....

Do I want to know what "manscaping" is?

It is a testament to your disconnect from current hygienic practices that you don't.

Basically trimming all your body hair to various lengths to achieve that just post-pubescent look that is all the rage.

Gay male fashions designers have attempted turn women into pre-pubescent boys with strategically injected collagen here and there now want all men to be just past pubescent boys.

And now women expect it as well.

Ah.  I don't confuse fetishes with hygienic practices (not that I have anything against either fetishes or hygienic practices, just that I know the difference).

I was being ironic. However, next to the idea you will look more "youthful", attractive (what woman wants back hair<-------that is where this began), you get the hygiene spiel: cut down on unwanted body odor.

"Hygiene" is constantly used as a convenient cover for what would otherwise be called out as blatant narcissism, as is "health". Example: I spent five days of last week in the gym for my "health", and I undertook a full body wax for "hygiene" purposes.

TMI

For the record, I was speaking hypothetically.

[orthonorm]

"Hygiene" is constantly used as a convenient cover for what would otherwise be called out as blatant narcissism, as is "health". Example: I spent five days of last week in the gym for my "health", and I undertook a full body wax for "hygiene" purposes.

TMI

At least he is "man" enough to admit it. Although I have about a dozen of jokes going through my mind at the moment.

This is interesting subject to me like many, because there are no "answers". It is easy to say: x is vanity. But all we do to present ourselves toward the world stems from vanity, even the choice to do "nothing" which is to do something.

The question becomes what is the Christian thing to do. I think the Letter to Diognetus would be of help.

[akimori makoto]

I didn't have a full body wax. The "I" in my example was a hypothetical "I".

Oh man, I've dug myself a hole it seems.

[orthonorm]

I didn't have a full body wax. The "I" in my example was a hypothetical "I".

Oh man, I've dug myself a hole it seems.

More jokes . . .

It is issues like this where the place that is not to be named was to have awesome to discuss. Frank and adult language without the fake pious trappings.

[IsmiLiora]

guess who is the new market: straight men.

[ialmisry]

"Hygiene" is constantly used as a convenient cover for what would otherwise be called out as blatant narcissism, as is "health". Example: I spent five days of last week in the gym for my "health", and I undertook a full body wax for "hygiene" purposes.

TMI

At least he is "man" enough to admit it. Although I have about a dozen of jokes going through my mind at the moment.

This is interesting subject to me like many, because there are no "answers". It is easy to say: x is vanity. But all we do to present ourselves toward the world stems from vanity, even the choice to do "nothing" which is to do something.

The question becomes what is the Christian thing to do. I think the Letter to Diognetus would be of help.

LOL.  St. Clement of Alexandria would have some ideas.

I'm thinking right now of those who follow St. Clement in putting shaving on a par with abortion, and imagining their heads exploding at reading this thread.

[orthonorm]

Just googled "post-pubescent look". This is the first item showing up:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=6092
Satan is keeps it trendy.

NICE! And a huge beard no less.

OMG! I might be leaving you folks . . . There is some serious trolling to do at the site. Sheesh, what is going on.

I mean really. This whole we are Christian stuff I tend to like to get behind, but that place is full nutter.

I mean have you actually looked more than five seconds at that place?

Talk about low hanging fruit . . . well use another image for this thread.

[dzheremi]

Landover baptist is a comedy/satire website, so of course it's over the top...

[orthonorm]

Landover baptist is a comedy/satire website, so of course it's over the top...

For real?

I don't know what is real or not anymore.

[dzheremi]

Yep, pretty much.

[Achronos]

Greatest site EVER.

[That person]

I managed to get to this point before I finally broke down and shaved:

what's up with the Thai?

Moreover, respect to those who say screw it and go full on American tourist.

The Thai is explained in this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39530.0.html The touristiness resulted more from my disproportionally high number of t-shirts featuring Captain America and the fact that the people on Thai Pepsi bottles make weird faces like mine that were supposed to be in the shot.

[IsmiLiora]

Yep, pretty much.

WELL PLAYED, my friends. Well played.

[Achronos]

Lolz

[William]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

[primuspilus]

The owner of the website had a major butthurt against Liberty U. I remember hearing about it. He got kicked out for some radio thing he did and now he's all butthurt. I think the site is kind of insulting, kind of funny too.

PP

[PeterTheAleut]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

[William]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

[orthonorm]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

Learn to laugh at yourself.

[Achronos]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

Does it mock hyperdoxy?

[William]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

Does it mock hyperdoxy?

No, this forum accomplished that.

[William]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

Learn to laugh at yourself.

What does laughing at myself have to do with this?

Anywhere, here is a page with quite a few examples of where the site's satire goes beyond simply mocking Fundamentalsits and mocks the Bible and all of the Christian faith.

[Anastasia1]

I'm still not growing a beard. I don't care what anyone says.

[IsmiLiora]

I'm still not growing a beard. I don't care what anyone says.

But Anastasia, you would look hawt in one.

[Achronos]

Greatest site EVER.

A website dedicated to mocking the various aspects of the Christian faith. Certainly not a website I'd call "great."

Fundamentalism should be mocked, for it's largely because of Fundamentalists that Christianity is despised throughout the world.

That website doesn't just mock Fundamentalism, though.

Does it mock hyperdoxy?

No, this forum accomplished that.

LOL touche

[Punch]

I was going to say, "Some," but let's take it in this direction.


What about vice versa? I think, at least here in the US, it's overwhelmingly true for how men want women to be as we were when we were 9 or 10.

No, only Pedobear wants that. 

[ironchapman]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

[orthonorm]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Dead to me.

[biro]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Are you on a hockey team? 

[That person]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Dead to me.

Ouch. What's wrong with this particular tradition?

[William]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Dead to me.

What year is it?

[PeterTheAleut]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Dead to me.

What year is it?

2012

[Cyrillic]

I am in the process of participating in No Shave November. We shall see how my beard looks on the 30th.

Dead to me.

What year is it?

2012

Alas, Peter, Peter, the fleeting years glide by.

[A Slice Of Life]

I've been told i suit a beard, although i keep mine well trimmed and tidy, i can't be doing with this wild man stuff its too unruly and itchy.My former work place used to put pressure on its workers to be clean shaven before every shift, however after a 2 week break i returned with a beard to which i got utterly slaughtered.

The management were pulling all sorts of '' rules '' from out under their backsides and threatening to send me home or dock my wages...

Despite this the ladies liked it and i found that the rule about people seeking help from beards to be true...when shaven i was invisible, when bearded i was the answer to everything...was surreal.

I have since kept the beard as frankly, i grew tired of being told what i can and cannot do with my own appearance.

I also noted the only people apart from egotistical management who had a problem with it, were the younger lads who were still spouting fluff and older guys who grew patches...

But in general nobody could care less, it was only a beard.

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