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« on: January 05, 2010, 11:34:04 AM »

I already stopped shaving!

http://www.biggerbetterbeards.org/

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 12:54:32 PM »

I've already been growing mine Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 03:19:04 PM »

I think that this thread is discriminatory against people, like myself, who cannot grow beards. LOL  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 03:41:50 PM »



...hmmm......scratching thankfully beardless chin.

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 03:55:41 PM »

Everyone should click on this link-it's outrageously funny! But then again, discriminatory and sexist... Angry
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 04:01:20 PM »

I've already been growing mine Smiley



Hello Mike ...I have a Picture Id Like to Post but its really Large ..How does one make it smaller.. for posting....
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 04:06:16 PM »

Check:

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 05:13:33 PM »

I've got a beard, but will not post the image because it's been a day after a trim where the clippers shaved a little too close.  SHould be fixed in about a week.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2010, 08:07:44 PM »

I'm wearing a goatie, trimmed short, just to show the redish/blond "shade" round my mouth and on my chin.

Does that count like a beard?

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 08:22:54 PM »

Heres My Picture me at a friends  business...He's my lutheran friend he sold Catholic Things that the churches threw out after vatican 2..
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 08:26:48 PM »

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IPC, you should know that the offical OC.net Beard-Judging committee (of which I am an important and even,charter member, btw) will not be satisfied by this mere word-picture of a beard. We need to see some real evidence, which, at the very least, is an authentic,current  photo of contestant. Thank you kindly in advance for your compliance to the Rules. laugh
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2010, 09:46:12 PM »

Only holy old men have beards. I'm just old.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2010, 10:03:50 PM »

I do not want to shock you, my friends, but not all think so highly of beards. I know, it's hard to believe, but tis so.  Tongue I used to frequent a forum that allowed people to give you a positive or negative vote. The general idea was that if you made a good post you'd get a positive vote, and if you made poor posts you'd get negative votes. But obviously it was used for much more than that. I had a picture of myself on the avatar (most people had pics of themselves as avatars there, and it was sort of considered hiding if you didn't), and I had a fairly long goatee. Nor Orthodox monk long, but maybe 5-6 inches. I got positive votes from people for having an "alpha beard," as one person put it. Then I also got negative votes with some, well, we'll just call them degoratory comments. I guess I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool modernist now, because I keep my goatee fairly short.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 10:33:18 PM »




My beard at about its usual length.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 10:53:06 PM »

Sorry, just noticed. I don't know what "degoratory comments" are, as I mentioned in my last post. I got derogatory comments in addition to them, though.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 12:51:34 AM »


Sorry Rosehip, I thought it was a joke. I'll just watch then Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2010, 01:00:48 AM »

I'm wearing a goatie, trimmed short, just to show the redish/blond "shade" round my mouth and on my chin.

Does that count like a beard?

Ladies like it Cheesy


No. I have one just like yours. Except mine is brown.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 10:27:10 AM »

I always wanted to tell you (since I spotted you on Facebook) that your beard rules. Cool

What do you think about Karl's beard? Why is it so dirty?
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2011, 01:20:32 PM »

I'm bored... and happened upon this thread again (saw someone viewing it in the Who's Online)... so to bump the thread... the many beards of Asteriktos...



1. The "I'm so uber-pious I don't care how I look, even if I frighten my own children" beard.
2. The "I just converted to Orthodoxy... MUST GROW BEARD!" beard.
3. The "I'm from the 70's, man!" beard (ok, technically not a beard).
4. The "I'm going bald anyway, so why bother anymore?" beard.

Some people promised pics of their beard, but never delivered!
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2011, 02:31:12 PM »


I call it the "I'm 16 and really can't be bothered to shave but hope to grow an awesome beard like Alveus' in the future" beard.
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2011, 04:12:21 PM »

I've been growing a beard over lent. Not on purpose, the last time I shaved was just before Lent started, one day I looked in the mirror and realized I hadn't shaved in a while, I decided retroactively that I was going to grow a beard.

Of course I'm not naturally a very hairy person, so it's a pretty meagre affair.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2011, 04:57:30 PM »

I always wanted to tell you (since I spotted you on Facebook) that your beard rules. Cool

What do you think about Karl's beard? Why is it so dirty?


Well, being the 'father' of Communism (the adopted son of and purveyor of death)... he had probably recently been eating... babies.

And what's up with the hand in the coat?  Who's he think he is anyway - Napoleon?

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And what's up with the hand in the coat?  Who's he think he is anyway - Napoleon?

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He was probably getting ready to kill the photographer.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2011, 07:54:43 PM »

 “You shall not make to yourselves curls and round rasures.” Nor may men destroy the hair of their beards, and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the law says: “Ye shall not mar your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men. - Apostolic Constitutions Book I Sec II

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2011, 09:01:32 PM »

Uh oh...

I just shaved!

I had a good one going too... actually the first time in my life I had one.

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“How womanly it is for one who is a man to shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect & to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, & smooth them! For God wished women to be smooth & to rejoice in their locks. But he adorned man like the lions, with a beard, & endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest, a sign of strength & rule.” - Clement of Alexandria
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For God wished women to be smooth, and rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane; but has adorned man, like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him, as an attribute of manhood, with shaggy breasts,—a sign this of strength and rule. [...] This, then, the mark of the man, the beard, by which he is seen to be a man, is older than Eve, and is the token of the superior nature. In this God deemed it right that he should excel, and dispersed hair over man’s whole body. Whatever smoothness and softness was in him He abstracted from his side when He formed the woman Eve, physically receptive, his partner in parentage, his help in household management, while he (for he had parted with all smoothness) remained a man, and shows himself man. And to him has been assigned action, as to her suffering; for what is shaggy is drier and warmer than what is smooth. [...] But the embellishment of smoothing (for I am warned by the Word), if it is to attract men, is the act of an effeminate person,—if to attract women, is the act of an adulterer; and both must be driven as far as possible from our society. “But the very hairs of your head are all numbered,” says the Lord; those on the chin, too, are numbered, and those on the whole body. There must be therefore no plucking out, contrary to God’s appointment, which has counted them in according to His will. - St Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor: Book 3 Chapter 3

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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 09:16:54 PM »

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2011, 09:18:36 PM »

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.

You've got that right. Cheesy
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2011, 09:24:05 PM »

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).
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There must be therefore no plucking out, contrary to God’s appointment, which has counted them in according to His will. - St Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor: Book 3 Chapter 3

(Emphasis mine.)

Well phew!

Luckily for me I didn't pluck it.

Just a once-over with the clippers... so I'm still stubbly.

(I'm not 'womanly', honest I'm not..)

Ha,

I must admit that I have never read the 'Apostolic Constitutions'...

I'm honestly surprised, because it would give you a lot of new ways to argue with people.

Now what ever gave you the impression that I like to argue?

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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2011, 09:38:26 PM »

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


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84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2011, 10:04:59 PM »

“You shall not make to yourselves curls and round rasures.” Nor may men destroy the hair of their beards, and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the law says: “Ye shall not mar your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men. - Apostolic Constitutions Book I Sec II

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That is what confused me about the title of this thread.  I only needed one, and I have not shaved it off since reading that passage almost 20 years ago.
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People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Well, I have read prohibitions on shaving.  I have not read any on bathing.  I did note in the reading for today that Jesus did not stop the woman from pouring perfume on his feet.
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... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

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Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?
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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2011, 10:29:50 PM »

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


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84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html


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Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?

Yes, thank-you... I'm sorry - I meant more specifically a (perhaps more contemporary?) discussion about the 'Apostolic Constitutions'.

I promise I wont use them to start any arguments!

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2011, 10:47:26 PM »

Actually, it is I that should be sorry.  I am one week into a 60 day long evening shift (7 days per week), and upon re-reading my post, I thought to myself "what an a$$".  There are some modern writings on this subject, and I have read them.  As soon as I can find them again, I will post them.  It is important to note that even the most conservative modern writers that I have read also leave a lot of room for economy on this subject.  I was once told by a ROCOR priest that at the time the older writings were composed, only homosexuals and pagans would shave their faces.  Societarial norms have changed considerably since then, and the motivations for shaving are not the same as back then.  I had to shave for 8 years of my career in the nuclear industry, and it had nothing to do with defacing the image of God.  Moses, Clement and Cyprian never had to wear a BioMarine rebreather as part of their job, nor did they have to breathe what we did if the thing failed.

People naturally stink and are greasy just as much as hair grows on their face, I find it hard to believe in that line of thinking (and I value the idea of accepting the natural God created way of things greatly).

Bodily fluids and smells aren't the same thing as shaving the beard. I know that some people are incapable of growing a beard, but it is another thing to shave off what God gave you. Bodily grease and smells are common to male and female alike; I don't see what difference this makes.

Saint Iaint, here is a link to St Clement of Alexandria: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.iii.html


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84. That the beard must not be plucked. “Ye shall not deface the figure of your beard.” - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.lxxxvi.html and http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.iv.ii.html

Among the priests there was no devotedness of religion; among the ministers there was no sound faith: in their works there was no mercy; in their manners there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced; in women, their complexion was dyed: the eyes were falsified from what God’s hand had made them; their hair was stained with a falsehood. - St Cyprian of Carthage - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.iii.html


... Still no one has offered me any Eastern Orthodox links which discuss this issue though. Yes I can use Google... I just thought someone might know a good source off-hand. No?

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Well, yes they did.  What part of Clement's writings did you not understand?

Yes, thank-you... I'm sorry - I meant more specifically a (perhaps more contemporary?) discussion about the 'Apostolic Constitutions'.

I promise I wont use them to start any arguments!

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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2011, 10:57:16 PM »

I don't shave because I'm afraid that I've gotten ugly underneath. You start to think that sort of thing after year eight.

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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2011, 11:12:25 PM »

I wish I could grow a beard, but I can't because of my workplace.
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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2011, 11:27:47 PM »

Those who quote and interpret the Church Fathers without the advisement of their Spiritual Father are about as wise as those who think they can be a doctor because they spent time on WebMD and read a Medical Textbook.

The canons of the Church and the writings of the Fathers are not to be used to judge and shout proclamations at one another, but they are guidelines that Spiritual Fathers are to use when administering "prescriptions for theosis" to their Spiritual Children. Remember, the Church is a Hospital for Sinners, and last time I checked, we are all in need of healing.

To judge the spiritual state of an individual based on the length of hair on their face is both silly and incorrect.
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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2011, 11:33:50 PM »

Actually, it is I that should be sorry.  I am one week into a 60 day long evening shift (7 days per week), and upon re-reading my post, I thought to myself "what an a$$".  There are some modern writings on this subject, and I have read them.  As soon as I can find them again, I will post them.  It is important to note that even the most conservative modern writers that I have read also leave a lot of room for economy on this subject.  I was once told by a ROCOR priest that at the time the older writings were composed, only homosexuals and pagans would shave their faces.  Societarial norms have changed considerably since then, and the motivations for shaving are not the same as back then.  I had to shave for 8 years of my career in the nuclear industry, and it had nothing to do with defacing the image of God.  Moses, Clement and Cyprian never had to wear a BioMarine rebreather as part of their job, nor did they have to breathe what we did if the thing failed.


Water off a duck's back man.

Appreciate it...

I can certainly empathize w/ you regarding the long hours. It's something not a lot of people can handle... so I definitely respect that, and I can also relate to your being what we used to call 'bushed'.

I did seismic exploration for a few years... It's seven days/week, 12-14hrs every single day.

Man was I in good shape though! I literally put a pro boxer to shame out there in the mountains (cardio/output-wise). I admit - I still miss being a 'Jughound' and I could easily see myself doing that job again.

Nothing but the great outdoors... lots of travel; always someplace new every day.

The best part was we had literally no expenses. On top of our wage we had our hotel rooms paid for... and we got $30/day for food n stuff.

Without a doubt the best job I ever had.

But getting back to the beard thing... I really have no aversion to beardliness (I thought it might be a bit hot in the summer though) but I'm still not sure I'm convinced that being Christian requires it.

Are there not American Orthodox who are quite beardless?

Thanks again Punch, may God give you the stamina to carry on and do what you gotta do.

Doesn't it irk you to have to work Saturdays and Sundays though?

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2011, 11:44:13 PM »

It's not contemporary nor is it Orthodox but I like this line so -

"a fine head of hair made the handsome more comely still, and the ugly more terrible."

Plutarch - The Life of Lycurgus, one of my favorite historical/mythological figures.
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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2011, 12:00:38 AM »


Water off a duck's back man.

Appreciate it...

I can certainly empathize w/ you regarding the long hours. It's something not a lot of people can handle... so I definitely respect that, and I can also relate to your being what we used to call 'bushed'.

I did seismic exploration for a few years... It's seven days/week, 12-14hrs every single day.

Man was I in good shape though! I literally put a pro boxer to shame out there in the mountains (cardio/output-wise). I admit - I still miss being a 'Jughound' and I could easily see myself doing that job again.

Nothing but the great outdoors... lots of travel; always someplace new every day.

The best part was we had literally no expenses. On top of our wage we had our hotel rooms paid for... and we got $30/day for food n stuff.

Without a doubt the best job I ever had.

But getting back to the beard thing... I really have no aversion to beardliness (I thought it might be a bit hot in the summer though) but I'm still not sure I'm convinced that being Christian requires it.

Are there not American Orthodox who are quite beardless?

Thanks again Punch, may God give you the stamina to carry on and do what you gotta do.

Doesn't it irk you to have to work Saturdays and Sundays though?

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Sounds like a fun job!  A beard does not a Christian make; else the Vikings would have been Church Fathers.  I also like Vamrat’s quote above as there is much truth to it.  I would think that you would find that many of the Northern peoples and Orientals that converted to Orthodoxy would be quite beardless.  However, they would be no less Orthodox for it.  I prefer that men look like men and women look like women (and Vamrat, you be quiet about the RuPaul thing).  But, in today’s society, there are ways to do that without facial hair down to your belly button.  I do take the writings of the Fathers seriously, and choose to wear a beard because there is really no reason for me not to.  What other’s do is their business.

Yes, the Saturdays and Sundays bother me.  That is why I chose the evenings shift as it still allows me to attend Liturgy.  A coworker will cover for me during Holy Week when I have to serve at some of the services, thank God (and him) for that.  On the bright side, I am one of those evil Union people that everyone seems to hate with envy, so I get well compensated for the odd hours and seven day work week.  If I didn’t, I’d find another line of employment.
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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2011, 12:14:13 AM »

Those who quote and interpret the Church Fathers without the advisement of their Spiritual Father are about as wise as those who think they can be a doctor because they spent time on WebMD and read a Medical Textbook.

The canons of the Church and the writings of the Fathers are not to be used to judge and shout proclamations at one another, but they are guidelines that Spiritual Fathers are to use when administering "prescriptions for theosis" to their Spiritual Children. Remember, the Church is a Hospital for Sinners, and last time I checked, we are all in need of healing.

To judge the spiritual state of an individual based on the length of hair on their face is both silly and incorrect.

You are correct judging and shouting. However, if you are saying that one shouldn't read/quote the Fathers to better understand scripture and edify, I disagree. I apologize if the Church Fathers that I quoted came off as my being judgmental. I personally do not judge people based on facial hair (nor should I in anything else for that matter). I merely quoted what the Fathers said about beards as an anecdote for this topic. I apologize if anyone felt that I was judging them based off of my posts. Smiley

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2011, 12:37:20 PM »

Orthodoxy calls us to be living ikons of Christ (Who had a beard). But we should also avoid falling into the temptation of spiritual pride.
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