Author Topic: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual  (Read 5016 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Russian Fellow

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« on: January 04, 2010, 09:43:50 AM »
Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual.



The official version of murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay the Second and his family is a shooting. According this version, after the shooting the bodies of Tsar’s family were buried in the hole Ganina Yama near Ekaterinburg.

But facts of Russian crime investigator N.A. Sokolov, facts in book of British journalist Robert Wilton “The Last days of the Romanovs”, facts in book of Russian general M.K. Diterichs “Murder of Tsar’s Family and Members of Romanov’s Home on the Ural”, facts in the books of modern Russian writer Petr. V. Multatuli (who is a great-grandson of Tsar’s cook Kharitonov) say that it was not a shooting but it was a ritual murder.

Yet in 1905 year a Jewish qahal condemned Nikolay the Second to death. According this occasion in Brooklyne (a part of New York which is populated by Jews) a postcard was issued. In this postcard was shown a kapores (sacrified cook in Judaism) with a head of Nikolay the second . And these was an inscription on this postcard in Hebrew language: “It is my sacrified offering”:
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/58/39

Shortly before 17 July 1918 a Hasidic rabbi (Jew with a jet-black beard in stories of eyewitnesses) arrived to Ekaterinburg. This man was viewed by many persons.
And shortly before 17 July 1918 a commandant of the House of Special Purpose (Ipatyev’s house) Yakov Yurovsky changed fully the guarding of this house from Russians to Jews.

At early morning of 17 July 1918 the Tsar’s family was sent to basement of Ipatyev’s house. A command of murders arrived there. A leader of this murder was this Hasidic rabbi. Murderers stabbed Tsar’s family by bayonets and by special ritual knife (which is used in Jewish ritual murders). The aim of murderers was exsanguinations of their victims and receipt their blood. The murderers drank the blood of Tsar’s family. On the wall of this basement a cabbalistical inscription was leaved:
http://www.ic-xc-nika.ru/texts/2008/avg/anel/anel3c.jpg
The meaning of this inscription is: “Here to order of dark forces a Tsar was brought to sacrifice offering. About it all nations are informed”.
Also on this wall a fragment of poem of Heinrich Heine was leaved:
Belsatzar ward in selbiger Nacht
Von seinen knechten ungeracht.

(Belsatzar during this night was killed by his homagers).

In original it is “Baltasar” but here is “Belsatzar” which means “bely tsar” (“white tsar”) – it was an epithet of Russian Tsar among Russian people.

After the murder the bodies ofn the Tsar’s family were submerged into trucks and were delivered to the hole Ganina Yama. There heads of the Tsar Nikolay the Second, Tsarina Alexandra and Tsarevich Alexey were ritually cut off, put to jars preserved in alcohol. These three jars were put to three suitcases and delivered to Moscow. In Moscow these three heads (of Nikolay the Second, of Tsarina Alexandra and of Tsarevich Alexey) were showed to Soviet authorities. What was happened with these heads after it, I don’t know.

After cutting off these three heads all bodies of Tsar’s family were dismembered. And after it these remains of Tsar’s family were poured by sulfuric acid and burned. When there was not enough sulfuric acid cars were sent to Ekaterinburg for it new batches. Two rings of members of the Red Army protected this fire and let nobody there. During two days this fire burned. After this remains of Tsar’s family were transformed to powder. The murderers filled glasses by this powder and drank it.

About it the Tsar’s family said to one Russian woman, God’s servant Nina in her vision: “Let’s people don’t look for our relics—they don’t exist. They (the murders of Tsar’s family) burned us to powder, filled to glasses and drank—they had so gladness!”:
http://vselprav.org/Html/OTzare.htm

Therefore there is not any remains of Tsar’s family—these remains were destroyed. In 1930-s years there were mass repressions in the Soviet Union and in the Ipatyev’s house and on the place of the fire on the hole Ganina Yama there were shootings—repressed Soviet citizens were shooted. And detected remains in this place are remains of shooted Soviet citizens in 1930-s years but not remains of Tsar’s family. And correspondingly the remains which were buried in Petropavlovskaya fortress in Saint-Petersburg in 2000 year are not remains of the Tsar’s family but are remains of these Soviet citizens.

One must open Soviet archives which are even now secret and know what was happened with the heads of Tsar Nikolay the Second, Tsarina Alexandra and Tsarevich Alexey. Also one must find materials of the Russian crime investigator N.A. Sokolov. Also one must open French, British and American archives—one must find there materials of the murder of the Tsar’s family.

Here are links about the ritual murder of the Tsar’s family on Russian language:
http://golos-sovesti.ru/?topic_id=1&gzt_id=384
http://www.apocalypse.orthodoxy.ru/secret/25_3.htm
http://karelin-r.ru/demobj/45/1.html
http://karelin-r.ru/demobj/45/2.html
http://www.russdom.ru/node/2185
http://ryibak.pravoverie.ru/node/400
http://www.rusk.ru/monitoring_smi/2002/10/04/ih_pepel_-_v_nashih_serdcah

One must mention also that Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. In February 1917 year a group of conspirators, which consisted of generals, arrived to Tsar’s coach and demanded of the Tsar that he abdicate from the throne. But Tsar as Orthodox Christian man refused to do it. Then on printing machine a text of “abdication” was created and a signature of Nikolay the Second was falsified. On 15 March 1917 it was announced to people that Nikolay the Second allegedly abdicated from the throne in favour of his brother Grand Prince Mikhail Aleksandrovich. And Mikhail Aleksandrovich believed it and on the next day, 16 March 1917, abdicated from the throne in favour of the Constituent Assembly.

In truth Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. Russian elder father Nikolay Guryanov from the island Talabsk (Zalita) which is in Pskov region of Russia said: “Tsar Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. There is not a sin of abdication on him”. Also the modern Russian writer Petr V. Multatuli says in his books that there was not any abdication from the throne of Nikolay the Second.
Here are links about it on Russian language:
http://www.ic-xc-nika.ru/texts/books/sergiev_roman/tzar_nikolai/8_6_2.html
http://www.politforums.ru/internal/1252917344.html
http://rasumov-ab.livejournal.com/131940.html
http://samoderjavie.ru/node/462
http://www.rus-sky.com/history/library/rus_id/m.htm
http://www.raskol.net/node/2418
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2588941/post106398932
http://derzava.com/art_desc.php?aid=83
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/35/38
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/99/38

Therefore in Ekaterinburg on 17 July 1918 exactly active Emperor Nikolay the Second and Emperor’s family was murdered but not citizen Nikolay Romanov and his family.

Offline ialmisry

  • There's nothing John of Damascus can't answer
  • Strategos
  • ******************
  • Posts: 39,559
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 10:02:07 AM »
Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual.



The official version of murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay the Second and his family is a shooting. According this version, after the shooting the bodies of Tsar’s family were buried in the hole Ganina Yama near Ekaterinburg.

But facts of Russian crime investigator N.A. Sokolov, facts in book of British journalist Robert Wilton “The Last days of the Romanovs”, facts in book of Russian general M.K. Diterichs “Murder of Tsar’s Family and Members of Romanov’s Home on the Ural”, facts in the books of modern Russian writer Petr. V. Multatuli (who is a great-grandson of Tsar’s cook Kharitonov) say that it was not a shooting but it was a ritual murder.

Yet in 1905 year a Jewish qahal condemned Nikolay the Second to death. According this occasion in Brooklyne (a part of New York which is populated by Jews) a postcard was issued. In this postcard was shown a kapores (sacrified cook in Judaism) with a head of Nikolay the second . And these was an inscription on this postcard in Hebrew language: “It is my sacrified offering”:
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/58/39

Shortly before 17 July 1918 a Hasidic rabbi (Jew with a jet-black beard in stories of eyewitnesses) arrived to Ekaterinburg. This man was viewed by many persons.
And shortly before 17 July 1918 a commandant of the House of Special Purpose (Ipatyev’s house) Yakov Yurovsky changed fully the guarding of this house from Russians to Jews.

At early morning of 17 July 1918 the Tsar’s family was sent to basement of Ipatyev’s house. A command of murders arrived there. A leader of this murder was this Hasidic rabbi. Murderers stabbed Tsar’s family by bayonets and by special ritual knife (which is used in Jewish ritual murders).

You just revealed what idiocy this is: there is no such thing as "Jewish ritual murders."

That' s more idiotic than the Russian praising Trotsky as a "real Russian, not like that Jew Karenski."

Quote
The aim of murderers was exsanguinations of their victims and receipt their blood. The murderers drank the blood of Tsar’s family. On the wall of this basement a cabbalistical inscription was leaved:
http://www.ic-xc-nika.ru/texts/2008/avg/anel/anel3c.jpg
The meaning of this inscription is: “Here to order of dark forces a Tsar was brought to sacrifice offering. About it all nations are informed”.
Also on this wall a fragment of poem of Heinrich Heine was leaved:
Belsatzar ward in selbiger Nacht
Von seinen knechten ungeracht.

(Belsatzar during this night was killed by his homagers).

In original it is “Baltasar” but here is “Belsatzar” which means “bely tsar” (“white tsar”) – it was an epithet of Russian Tsar among Russian people.

After the murder the bodies ofn the Tsar’s family were submerged into trucks and were delivered to the hole Ganina Yama. There heads of the Tsar Nikolay the Second, Tsarina Alexandra and Tsarevich Alexey were ritually cut off, put to jars preserved in alcohol. These three jars were put to three suitcases and delivered to Moscow. In Moscow these three heads (of Nikolay the Second, of Tsarina Alexandra and of Tsarevich Alexey) were showed to Soviet authorities. What was happened with these heads after it, I don’t know.

Their heads stayed in the Urals, until they were dug up and later buried in St. Petersburg.

Quote
After cutting off these three heads all bodies of Tsar’s family were dismembered. And after it these remains of Tsar’s family were poured by sulfuric acid and burned. When there was not enough sulfuric acid cars were sent to Ekaterinburg for it new batches. Two rings of members of the Red Army protected this fire and let nobody there. During two days this fire burned. After this remains of Tsar’s family were transformed to powder. The murderers filled glasses by this powder and drank it.

ah, I smell an agenda......

Quote
About it the Tsar’s family said to one Russian woman, God’s servant Nina in her vision: “Let’s people don’t look for our relics—they don’t exist. They (the murders of Tsar’s family) burned us to powder, filled to glasses and drank—they had so gladness!”:
http://vselprav.org/Html/OTzare.htm

Therefore there is not any remains of Tsar’s family—these remains were destroyed. In 1930-s years there were mass repressions in the Soviet Union and in the Ipatyev’s house and on the place of the fire on the hole Ganina Yama there were shootings—repressed Soviet citizens were shooted. And detected remains in this place are remains of shooted Soviet citizens in 1930-s years but not remains of Tsar’s family. And correspondingly the remains which were buried in Petropavlovskaya fortress in Saint-Petersburg in 2000 year are not remains of the Tsar’s family but are remains of these Soviet citizens.

One must open Soviet archives which are even now secret and know what was happened with the heads of Tsar Nikolay the Second, Tsarina Alexandra and Tsarevich Alexey. Also one must find materials of the Russian crime investigator N.A. Sokolov. Also one must open French, British and American archives—one must find there materials of the murder of the Tsar’s family.

Here are links about the ritual murder of the Tsar’s family on Russian language:
http://golos-sovesti.ru/?topic_id=1&gzt_id=384
http://www.apocalypse.orthodoxy.ru/secret/25_3.htm
http://karelin-r.ru/demobj/45/1.html
http://karelin-r.ru/demobj/45/2.html
http://www.russdom.ru/node/2185
http://ryibak.pravoverie.ru/node/400
http://www.rusk.ru/monitoring_smi/2002/10/04/ih_pepel_-_v_nashih_serdcah

One must mention also that Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. In February 1917 year a group of conspirators, which consisted of generals, arrived to Tsar’s coach and demanded of the Tsar that he abdicate from the throne. But Tsar as Orthodox Christian man refused to do it. Then on printing machine a text of “abdication” was created and a signature of Nikolay the Second was falsified. On 15 March 1917 it was announced to people that Nikolay the Second allegedly abdicated from the throne in favour of his brother Grand Prince Mikhail Aleksandrovich. And Mikhail Aleksandrovich believed it and on the next day, 16 March 1917, abdicated from the throne in favour of the Constituent Assembly.


http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/graphics/nicholas_abdication.jpg

Deal with it.

Quote
In truth Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. Russian elder father Nikolay Guryanov from the island Talabsk (Zalita) which is in Pskov region of Russia said: “Tsar Nikolay the Second didn’t abdicate from the throne. There is not a sin of abdication on him”. Also the modern Russian writer Petr V. Multatuli says in his books that there was not any abdication from the throne of Nikolay the Second.
Here are links about it on Russian language:
http://www.ic-xc-nika.ru/texts/books/sergiev_roman/tzar_nikolai/8_6_2.html
http://www.politforums.ru/internal/1252917344.html
http://rasumov-ab.livejournal.com/131940.html
http://samoderjavie.ru/node/462
http://www.rus-sky.com/history/library/rus_id/m.htm
http://www.raskol.net/node/2418
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2588941/post106398932
http://derzava.com/art_desc.php?aid=83
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/35/38
http://nikolai2.ru/content/view/99/38

Therefore in Ekaterinburg on 17 July 1918 exactly active Emperor Nikolay the Second and Emperor’s family was murdered but not citizen Nikolay Romanov and his family.

Your alleged point?
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth

Offline Heorhij

  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 8,576
    • Mississippi University for Women
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2010, 10:27:58 AM »
May I ask, what's the purpose of all these "investigations?"

Even if this Jerusalem "Kapor" and this mysterious Hasidic rabbi who arrived to Yekaterinburg really existed and did what they did, what does that change?

His Majesty the Emperor Nikolay Aleksandrovich Romanov and his family members were executed by a squad of the so-called "Internationalist Warriors" who were guarding the royal family; most of them were perhaps Hungarians (deliberately chosen by Yurovsky because of the great distance in their language, so that they could not conspire with the royal family). Some were perhaps Latvians, and Yurovsky, the commanding person during the execution, was a Jew.

And if all of them were, say, Chinese Confucians or Taoists? Would that matter?

BTW, Russian Fellow, welcome to the forum. Если жeлаeтe пообщаться по-русски, я всeгда к Вашим услугам. (If you wish to chat in Russian, I am always at your service.)
Love never fails.

Offline Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,577
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Diocese of the South (OCA)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 11:29:16 AM »
I cannot welcome Russian Fellow to the forum for two reasons. First, if he truly believes in this slander, he is a fool. On the other hand, he does not, he is a knave. Sorry.

Offline Schultz

  • Christian. Guitarist. Scooterist. Zymurgist. Librarian.
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,550
  • Scion of the McKeesport Becks.
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 11:46:28 AM »
I cannot welcome Russian Fellow to the forum for two reasons. First, if he truly believes in this slander, he is a fool. On the other hand, he does not, he is a knave. Sorry.

A  brother who had sinned was turned out of the church by the priest.  Abba Bessarion got up and went out with him, saying, "I, too, am a sinner."
"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen

Offline ignatius

  • Baptacathadox
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,696
  • My Son Aidan... :-)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 01:40:16 PM »
I cannot welcome Russian Fellow to the forum for two reasons. First, if he truly believes in this slander, he is a fool. On the other hand, he does not, he is a knave. Sorry.

A  brother who had sinned was turned out of the church by the priest.  Abba Bessarion got up and went out with him, saying, "I, too, am a sinner."

So was Abba Bessarion an advocate for antinomianism? Are we to say then that St. Paul was wrong to instruct the Church at Corinth to 'Remove the evil person from among you'. If he was not wrong, then are 'we' who are the Church not exhorted to do the same? To me this kind of line of reasoning ends in antinomianism just as it did in Western Liberal Theology at the turn of the century.

What is the point of using such argumentation?
St Basil the Great (330-379 A.D.): “I think then that the one goal of all who are really and truly serving the Lord ought to be to bring back to union the churches who have at different times and in diverse manners divided from one another.”

Offline Schultz

  • Christian. Guitarist. Scooterist. Zymurgist. Librarian.
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,550
  • Scion of the McKeesport Becks.
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 01:42:52 PM »
My point in posting that particular story in this particular thread was to shed light on the fact that:

a) we are all fools

and

b) we are all knaves

What kind of Christians are we when one of our brethren comes into our house and is sadly mistaken on something that we immediately turn him out before even welcoming him into our home?

"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen

Offline ignatius

  • Baptacathadox
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,696
  • My Son Aidan... :-)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 01:50:58 PM »
My point in posting that particular story in this particular thread was to shed light on the fact that:

a) we are all fools

and

b) we are all knaves

What kind of Christians are we when one of our brethren comes into our house and is sadly mistaken on something that we immediately turn him out before even welcoming him into our home?



So doesn't such logic lead to antinomianism? If we are all 'equally' Fools and Knaves then who can judge what is right or wrong?

As much as you or I think that the individuals here are uncharitable I don't think such sweeping generalities are healthy. They undermine the voice of the Faithful... whoever they might be and it undermines the authority of the Church to speak on moral grounds. I don't think you recognize the breadth that such an argument goes. Clearly it is an appeal to one's own humility but it uses one's humility against him/her to silence them in speaking out on anything. Such an argument is used by secularists to silence the Church. Personally I don't like seeing it here.
St Basil the Great (330-379 A.D.): “I think then that the one goal of all who are really and truly serving the Lord ought to be to bring back to union the churches who have at different times and in diverse manners divided from one another.”

Offline ozgeorge

  • I'll take you for who you are if you take me for everything.
  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 16,383
  • My plans for retirement.
    • Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 02:05:35 PM »
Welcome to the forum Russian Fellow.
If you're living a happy life as a Christian, you're doing something wrong.

Offline Schultz

  • Christian. Guitarist. Scooterist. Zymurgist. Librarian.
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,550
  • Scion of the McKeesport Becks.
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 02:07:49 PM »
My point in posting that particular story in this particular thread was to shed light on the fact that:

a) we are all fools

and

b) we are all knaves

What kind of Christians are we when one of our brethren comes into our house and is sadly mistaken on something that we immediately turn him out before even welcoming him into our home?



So doesn't such logic lead to antinomianism? If we are all 'equally' Fools and Knaves then who can judge what is right or wrong?

It can, much in the same what the logic you're espousing can lead to Donatism.  It's a fine line we must tread.

Quote
As much as you or I think that the individuals here are uncharitable I don't think such sweeping generalities are healthy. They undermine the voice of the Faithful... whoever they might be and it undermines the authority of the Church to speak on moral grounds. I don't think you recognize the breadth that such an argument goes. Clearly it is an appeal to one's own humility but it uses one's humility against him/her to silence them in speaking out on anything. Such an argument is used by secularists to silence the Church. Personally I don't like seeing it here.

Then that is why basic argument against ideas is the most effective way of combating bad theology/politics/whathaveyou.  To outright say, "I will not welcome you," is to attack the person and not the ideas.  To outright call someone a "fool" or a "knave" is to engage in ad hominem tactics which, as you well know, we actively discourage here.

I am in no way, shape, or form defending the OPs ideas or his post.  He should be castigated for spewing such garbage on our forum.  But we need to do it by casting him out of our fellowship without first engaging him in conversation.
"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen

Offline ignatius

  • Baptacathadox
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,696
  • My Son Aidan... :-)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 02:13:26 PM »
My point in posting that particular story in this particular thread was to shed light on the fact that:

a) we are all fools

and

b) we are all knaves

What kind of Christians are we when one of our brethren comes into our house and is sadly mistaken on something that we immediately turn him out before even welcoming him into our home?



So doesn't such logic lead to antinomianism? If we are all 'equally' Fools and Knaves then who can judge what is right or wrong?

It can, much in the same what the logic you're espousing can lead to Donatism.  It's a fine line we must tread.

Quote
As much as you or I think that the individuals here are uncharitable I don't think such sweeping generalities are healthy. They undermine the voice of the Faithful... whoever they might be and it undermines the authority of the Church to speak on moral grounds. I don't think you recognize the breadth that such an argument goes. Clearly it is an appeal to one's own humility but it uses one's humility against him/her to silence them in speaking out on anything. Such an argument is used by secularists to silence the Church. Personally I don't like seeing it here.

Then that is why basic argument against ideas is the most effective way of combating bad theology/politics/whathaveyou.  To outright say, "I will not welcome you," is to attack the person and not the ideas.  To outright call someone a "fool" or a "knave" is to engage in ad hominem tactics which, as you well know, we actively discourage here.

I am in no way, shape, or form defending the OPs ideas or his post.  He should be castigated for spewing such garbage on our forum.  But we need to do it by casting him out of our fellowship without first engaging him in conversation.

Please don't take my criticism the wrong way. I'm not accusing you of being in support of the OP. I'm just asking if such sweeping generalities are necessary? I mean it's one thing to say "Hey, your being uncharitable and that isn't very Christian" but quite another to use the desert fathers to say we are 'all equality fallen and thus can't know what is just and right'. I've seen these kinds of statements before and I can't help to believe they ultimately lead to antinomianism.
St Basil the Great (330-379 A.D.): “I think then that the one goal of all who are really and truly serving the Lord ought to be to bring back to union the churches who have at different times and in diverse manners divided from one another.”

Offline witega

  • Is it enough now, to tell you you matter?
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,614
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2010, 02:14:34 PM »
Are we to say then that St. Paul was wrong to instruct the Church at Corinth to 'Remove the evil person from among you'.

So on the basis of one (admittedly ludicrous and in parts repulsive) post, you're comfortable identifying the OP as an 'evil person'? Even so, St. Paul didn't call for expelling the 'evil person' 'as quickly as possible'. There's actually a whole sequence of attempted correction that is supposed to go on first.
Ariel Starling - New album

For it were better to suffer everything, rather than divide the Church of God. Even martyrdom for the sake of preventing division would not be less glorious than for refusing to worship idols. - St. Dionysius the Great

Offline ignatius

  • Baptacathadox
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,696
  • My Son Aidan... :-)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 02:31:36 PM »
Are we to say then that St. Paul was wrong to instruct the Church at Corinth to 'Remove the evil person from among you'.

So on the basis of one (admittedly ludicrous and in parts repulsive) post, you're comfortable identifying the OP as an 'evil person'? Even so, St. Paul didn't call for expelling the 'evil person' 'as quickly as possible'. There's actually a whole sequence of attempted correction that is supposed to go on first.

What is 'evil'? Is uncharitable being evil? If so then you have your answer. My point is not that the OP is evil or no but that we can know truth and what is just. To say that we are all hopelessly fallen and by such accusation unable to know what is right and just is a over estimation of our state. My example was to point out that St. Paul knew what was right and just and he expected the Church at Corinth to know as well. We can hide behind our sin in such a way to avoid our responsibilities as Children of God.

The OP doesn't make any sense to me but I dare not say that because we are all sinners that we cannot know what is just. We have a responsibility to seek what is just and when we fall short we must strive onward. To discard this responsibility by suggesting that we are all sinners and thus unable to know the good is Christian.
St Basil the Great (330-379 A.D.): “I think then that the one goal of all who are really and truly serving the Lord ought to be to bring back to union the churches who have at different times and in diverse manners divided from one another.”

Offline Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,577
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Diocese of the South (OCA)
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 03:25:56 PM »
Folks--I did not mean to expel the OP; I could not do so because (a) I don't own OCNet and (b) I too believe that such a drastic step should be taken after attempts to correct the OP. I am sorry that I came across the way I did. I merely meant to say, as forcefully that I could, that I disagreed with his posting; both the substance of it and his apparent advocacy of it. I do apologize for phrasing my objection in ad hominem form.

Offline ozgeorge

  • I'll take you for who you are if you take me for everything.
  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 16,383
  • My plans for retirement.
    • Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 05:49:44 PM »
I merely meant to say, as forcefully that I could, that I disagreed with his posting; both the substance of it and his apparent advocacy of it. I merely meant to say, as forcefully that I could, that I disagreed with his posting; both the substance of it and his apparent advocacy of it. I do apologize for phrasing my objection in ad hominem form.
Second Chance,
Just for the record, I disagree with a lot of your posting, both the substance and your advocacy of it. :)
If you're living a happy life as a Christian, you're doing something wrong.

Offline Alveus Lacuna

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,105
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: OCA
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2010, 06:54:05 PM »
Welcome to the forum!  I hope you are not a troll!

Offline Rafa999

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,600
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2010, 07:28:58 PM »
Quote
The murderers drank the blood of Tsar’s family

In violation of the Torah law of drinking blood I presume?
I am NOT a representative of the ACOE. Ignore my posts

Offline Tallitot

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,776
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2010, 09:06:27 PM »
Quote
The murderers drank the blood of Tsar’s family

In violation of the Torah law of drinking blood I presume?

Or maybe they used to mix in matzah? ::)
Proverbs 22:7

Offline ozgeorge

  • I'll take you for who you are if you take me for everything.
  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 16,383
  • My plans for retirement.
    • Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2010, 09:53:00 PM »
Quote
The murderers drank the blood of Tsar’s family

In violation of the Torah law of drinking blood I presume?

Or maybe they used to mix in matzah? ::)

Come on. We all know you guys dance naked around dead cats at Passover.
If you're living a happy life as a Christian, you're doing something wrong.

Offline Orthodox11

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,999
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2010, 10:11:10 PM »
In violation of the Torah law of drinking blood I presume?

The Torah is just a front to hide the true Masonic nature of Judaism. The Jews of the Old Testament were blonde Arians who spoke Elizabethan English, and have nothing to do with the blood-sucking Christ-killers.

Offline Heorhij

  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 8,576
    • Mississippi University for Women
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2010, 10:57:30 PM »
In violation of the Torah law of drinking blood I presume?

The Torah is just a front to hide the true Masonic nature of Judaism. The Jews of the Old Testament were blonde Arians who spoke Elizabethan English, and have nothing to do with the blood-sucking Christ-killers.

Elizabethan English? Are you sure it wasn't the Old Church Slavonic?  ::)  ::)  ::)
Love never fails.

Offline Rosehip

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,760
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2010, 11:32:03 PM »
OCS, indeed! This thread is hilarious!! Reminds me of the  tired old adage about life giving you a lemon and making it into lemonade.  :laugh:
+ Our dear sister Martha (Rosehip) passed away on Dec 20, 2010.  May her memory be eternal! +

Offline Orthodox11

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,999
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2010, 12:03:07 AM »
Elizabethan English? Are you sure it wasn't the Old Church Slavonic?  ::)  ::)  ::)

Only the tribe of Ruben

Offline ms.hoorah

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 866
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2010, 12:13:58 AM »
May I ask, what's the purpose of all these "investigations?"
Encourage the scientific investigation of the Royal Martyrs with the noble goal of expanding the limits of science!

“Therefore in Ekaterinburg on 17 July 1918 exactly active Emperor Nikolay the Second and Emperor’s family was murdered but not citizen Nikolay Romanov and his family.”

Clearly, the Royal Martyrs were capable of bio psychokinesis and regenerated themselves or the Royal Martyrs had mastered teleportation.

Remember, you heard it first on OCnet!
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 12:23:10 AM by ms.hoorah »



Offline Tallitot

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,776
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2010, 03:19:10 PM »
Welcome to the forum!  I hope you are not a troll!

Joined, made one really out there post, has not responded.....
Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll
Proverbs 22:7

Offline Alveus Lacuna

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,105
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: OCA
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2010, 12:53:57 AM »
Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll


Offline Ebor

  • Vanyar
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,492
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2010, 09:33:32 PM »
Since so far all of the links in the OP that I have clicked on have been in (I'd guess) Russian, I cannot read them.  However, I am very dubious as to the assertions that the murder of the Czar and his family being any kind of evil Jewish plot. For one thing, there was a forensic analysis of remains found in Yekaterinburg a number of years ago that were found to be most of the imperial family.  The bones were not reduce to "powder", and there were skulls present. (How does one "drink" powder anyway?)  I'm also puzzled as to if the OP is supposed to be based on some kind of vision rather then documented accounts?

Here is a link to one article on-line.  I can find more and the title of a book that had a chapter about it that I read, if it is wanted.

http://www.livescience.com/history/090302-last-romanov-children.html
"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

The Katana of Reasoned Discussion

For some a world view is more like a neighborhood watch.

Offline Tikhon.of.Colorado

  • Site Supporter
  • Archon
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,375
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 01:18:45 AM »
rest in peace, beloved saints!  :(

for some reason, their story alwayse hits me hard. 

Offline mersch

  • Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 251
  • Faith: Christian
Re: Murder of Russian Tsar Nikolay II and his family was ritual
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2010, 05:31:17 PM »
rest in peace, beloved saints!  :(

for some reason, their story alwayse hits me hard. 

ditto