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« on: January 02, 2010, 04:17:02 PM »

before or after catechism?
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 04:23:28 PM »

before or after catechism?

Before. Although some priests might not actually have a service to enter one into the catechumenate. I know my priest didn't. I was just simply a catechumen.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 04:30:42 PM »

before or after catechism?

Before. Although some priests might not actually have a service to enter one into the catechumenate. I know my priest didn't. I was just simply a catechumen.

that's very interesting......  accually, one day I "walked in" on my priest making someome a catechuman before liturgy.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 04:59:00 PM »

before or after catechism?

In our parish, we regularly attended the catechism class and were made catechumens in the middle of the current study.  Meaning our becoming catechumens had more to do with where we were in our Orthodox journey -- as decided by our priest -- than with the catechism class.  We had a formal ceremony during liturgy to be made catechumens. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2010, 05:41:36 PM »

Similarly, in my (Greek) parish, we have an Orthodoxy 101 class, which begins in the Fall.  By the time we enter the pre-Lenten period, class members who are not yet Orthodox have an idea--as does the pastor, who teaches the class--whether they want to make the commitment to Orthodoxy.  They are then officially made catechumens on Meatfare Sunday.

The rite used for making a Catechumen is, essentially, the first part of the Baptismal Service, in which the candidate is exorcized, questioned as to his/her desire to join the Church, and (in our version, not strictly canonical) recites the Creed.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 07:37:08 PM »

before or after catechism?

My understanding is that it is less about your level of religious education but rather receiving the catachumen prayers, and is more reflective of your relationship to the Church, your desire and intention to join the Church, and the Church's intention to receive you through baptism or chrismation.

That being said, I'm sure there is a variety of practices for religious instruction depending on any paticular church. The best thing to do would be to just talk to your priest about it once you've decided that being received into the Church is something that you definitely want to do.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 10:01:01 PM »

before or after catechism?

In my OCA church, after.  Like Cymbyz, we had a catechism class (but is was not called that) in the fall, which ended by Holy Week, after which the option of chrismation was available on Holy Saturday.  Those who chose this option (I was not one of them), spent a couple of hours in the catechumate.  There was no pressure to go this route.

In fact, the first time I took the course I was not asked if I wanted chrismation.

After study, prayer, etc., I later became a catechumen.  This is the exception rather than the rule, but I entered the catecumenate by (very short) ceremony after a holy day service (I forget the official term for holy days).  I waited two years before being chrismated.

This follows a practice encouraged by John Chrystostom, who wanted people to spend three years as a catechumen.   Today, this is the exception rather than the rule.  After I became an official catechumen, I walked out of Divine Liturgy at the dismissal of the catechumens.  This is also highly unusual. 

Other people joined without completing the course.  In all cases, the priest needed to approve.

I'm glad that I did it as I did, but I'd be the first to say that my way  isn't for everybody.




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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 02:04:14 AM »

I underwent a ceremony taking vows in an official way after inquiring for about six months.  Others do it other ways.
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 02:10:35 PM »

Hm Alveus I just noticed you changed your faith...very interesting  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 02:41:39 PM »

when exactly does one become a "catechumen"?

Exactly when your local parish priest says so.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 05:33:00 PM »

Hm Alveus I just noticed you changed your faith...very interesting  Roll Eyes

Are you trying to make some kind of a point with the rolling eyes?
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 05:42:15 PM »

Hm Alveus I just noticed you changed your faith...very interesting  Roll Eyes

Are you trying to make some kind of a point with the rolling eyes?

I usually get a laugh out of your faith status. It cracked me up when I saw "Byzantine Catechumen Christian." I guess that was partly due to seeing how you decided to put that in a thread where a Byzantine Catholic was obstinate about a certain topic. I have no qualms and don't see why anyone would. Smiley

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 06:32:20 PM »

Hm Alveus I just noticed you changed your faith...very interesting  Roll Eyes

Are you trying to make some kind of a point with the rolling eyes?

So I guess you want us to take you seriously, then?

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 06:35:20 PM »

It cracked me up when I saw "Byzantine Catechumen Christian." I guess that was partly due to seeing how you decided to put that in a thread where a Byzantine Catholic was obstinate about a certain topic.

That one was way better.  I'm going back.
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