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Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« on: November 19, 2010, 11:26:08 PM »
Saw the movie, this afternoon.  Very dark, but great.  What a cliff hanger.  Can't wait for July for Part 2.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 01:04:21 AM »
So if they make two parts out of the last movie, does that count as seven total movies in the series, or eight?  ???

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 01:38:41 AM »
Monks go to the movies?

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 01:49:54 AM »
I fell asleep for most of it. What happened? ;D
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 02:33:09 AM »
Monks go to the movies?

The poster is a monk and he said he went to the movies, so apparently some monks do. 

As for me, I'm going to wait until the crowds die down to see it.  I made the mistake of going to a midnight showing a couple years back and it left me scarred for life. 
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 02:45:13 AM »

"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,"

-Fr. Amorth Chief Exorcist of Rome

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic. The demons may pretend for a while to help the magician, but only in order to serve their own plans, i.e. to bring a greater harm to the people. When the magician is of no more use to them, then they will destroy him as well."

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 04:09:17 AM »

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic."

Nonsense. James Randi is a white magician. So are Penn and Teller. I think? Or are they just tricking us into thinking that they are... woh...

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 04:40:49 AM »

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic."

Nonsense. James Randi is a white magician. So are Penn and Teller. I think? Or are they just tricking us into thinking that they are... woh...

From my understanding, those people you mentioned are illusionists not "white magicians." 
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 07:53:26 AM »
I don't think Harry Potter's magic involves demons.

Then again, maybe I fell asleep during that part.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 08:04:48 AM »
Who could forget that iconic scene where Harry Potter called upon Baphomet for assistance...  ::)
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 10:17:34 AM »
Monks go to the movies?

Yes, some do.  This is my movie for the year.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 11:49:02 AM »
Saw the movie, this afternoon.  Very dark, but great.  What a cliff hanger.  Can't wait for July for Part 2.

I'm not much of a movie goer, but my wife and kids saw it yesterday and they said somebody in the front stood up after it was over and said "I want part 2!", so it must have been good.  My kids have read the books over and over.

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2010, 11:55:40 AM »
Monks go to the movies?

Perhaps this is a situation that falls under the 13th saying of Abba Anthony...

"A hunter in the desert saw Abba Anthony enjoying himself with the brethren and he was shocked. Wanting to show him that it was necessary sometimes to meet the needs of the brethren, the old man said to him, 'Put an arrow in your bow and shoot it.' So he did. The old man then said, 'Shoot another,' and he did so. Then the old man said, 'Shoot yet again and the hunter replied 'If I bend my bow so much I will break it.' Then the old man said to him, 'It is the same with the work of God. If we stretch the brethren beyond measure they will soon break. Sometimes it is necessary to come down to meet their needs.' When he heard these words “the hunter was pierced by compunction and, greatly edified by the old man, he went away. As for the brethren, they went home strengthened."

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 01:26:01 PM »
I hope to see it in the next couple of weeks--I can't wait to see it.  It is 10 degrees outside (I have no idea what the wind chill is and I probably don't want to know) and the roads are terrible due to snow and ice.  I am staying in my house as much as possible--we are expecting a few more inches today and tonight. 

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2010, 01:29:13 PM »
Who could forget that iconic scene where Harry Potter called upon Baphomet for assistance...  ::)

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2010, 06:20:06 PM »
Do Orthodox positions on "magic" differ so greatly from Catholic and certain strains of Protestantism?  I know the RC church believes that all magic or divination interacts, on some level, with demons. 

By the way, I'm not implying that Harry Potter movies are evil, demonic, etc., or that watching them is bad, but Rafa's comment didn't seem to be far from many traditional Christian positions. 

I attended a Divine Liturgy in October where the Gospel reading (Luke 8:26-39) was related to modern day events.  The priest sighted the rise and acceptance of cults and magic as evidence of continuing demonic influence. He cautioned against movies such as these that seem harmless and fun, but actually glorify practices that are in conflict with the Church.   
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2010, 07:12:05 PM »
Do Orthodox positions on "magic" differ so greatly from Catholic and certain strains of Protestantism?  I know the RC church believes that all magic or divination interacts, on some level, with demons.  

By the way, I'm not implying that Harry Potter movies are evil, demonic, etc., or that watching them is bad, but Rafa's comment didn't seem to be far from many traditional Christian positions.  

I attended a Divine Liturgy in October where the Gospel reading (Luke 8:26-39) was related to modern day events.  The priest sighted the rise and acceptance of cults and magic as evidence of continuing demonic influence. He cautioned against movies such as these that seem harmless and fun, but actually glorify practices that are in conflict with the Church.    
There are types of 'magic' that involve the control of spirits, spirits that may be demonic or simply controllable. These spirits are then sent out to perform certain deeds.

However, other types of 'magic' are simply the use of one's own natural, 'magical' abilities.

Voldemort's magic seems to involve both types, but for negative purposes.

Harry Potter doesn't seem to be involved in the first type of magic.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2010, 08:42:32 PM »
By the way, I'm not implying that Harry Potter movies are evil, demonic, etc., or that watching them is bad, but Rafa's comment didn't seem to be far from many traditional Christian positions. 


Not really, considering that Fathers encouraged the reading of Homer and Plato. The only "tradition" being represented with this attitude is puritanism. 

As for the new movie, I saw it with my wife today. I enjoyed Harry Potter when it was less deadly-serious and when the screen wasn't so dominated by greys and steely blues. 
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2010, 08:54:14 PM »
By the way, I'm not implying that Harry Potter movies are evil, demonic, etc., or that watching them is bad, but Rafa's comment didn't seem to be far from many traditional Christian positions. 


Not really, considering that Fathers encouraged the reading of Homer and Plato. The only "tradition" being represented with this attitude is puritanism. 

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2010, 10:25:26 PM »
We are waiting for the movie to be on Netflix. Six tickets to the movies is veeerrrryyyy expensive. (Yes, they make us buy a ticket for the 1 year old too)

Not to mentio captions and the pause button are a parents best friends.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2010, 10:41:22 PM »

"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,"

-Fr. Amorth Chief Exorcist of Rome

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic. The demons may pretend for a while to help the magician, but only in order to serve their own plans, i.e. to bring a greater harm to the people. When the magician is of no more use to them, then they will destroy him as well."

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God bless you Rafa! its good to see people on this forum that are willing to post the unpopular opinion

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 10:49:59 PM »

"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,"

-Fr. Amorth Chief Exorcist of Rome

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic. The demons may pretend for a while to help the magician, but only in order to serve their own plans, i.e. to bring a greater harm to the people. When the magician is of no more use to them, then they will destroy him as well."

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God bless you Rafa! its good to see people on this forum that are willing to post the unpopular opinion


feeling guilty, I ruined the poor monk's only movie for a year...



anyways, to emphasize my point again :

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 10:52:23 PM »
God bless you Rafa! its good to see people on this forum that are willing to post the unpopular opinion

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 11:10:35 PM »
Depart! Depart! Go out from there,
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Then why are you talking on a message board with atheists, agnostics, hindu-Christian hybrids, skeptics, etc.? We'll sully your divinely imaged soul, good sir! Flee, flee for your life!

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Depart! Depart! Go out from there,
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Then why are you talking on a message board with atheists, agnostics, hindu-Christian hybrids, skeptics, etc.? We'll sully your divinely imaged soul, good sir! Flee, flee for your life!

sarcasm really strengthens your argument! just wanted to point that out to you ...

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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2010, 01:32:39 AM »
sarcasm really strengthens your argument! just wanted to point that out to you ...

Calling it an argument would imply that I hoped to convince you of something. I didn't. I was just having a bit of fun at your expense.  :)

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 03:00:35 AM »
sarcasm really strengthens your argument! just wanted to point that out to you ...

Calling it an argument would imply that I hoped to convince you of something. I didn't. I was just having a bit of fun at your expense.  :)

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 01:19:39 AM »

 "There is no such thing as "white" magic."

Nonsense. James Randi is a white magician. So are Penn and Teller. I think? Or are they just tricking us into thinking that they are... woh...

From my understanding, those people you mentioned are illusionists not "white magicians." 

Sorry, I was trying to make a joke. When I consider something a silly comment I sometimes like to joke around a bit in response, so I took the word "white" and purposely acted like I was misunderstanding what was meant by the word. :angel:

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 01:20:05 AM »
sarcasm really strengthens your argument! just wanted to point that out to you ...

Calling it an argument would imply that I hoped to convince you of something. I didn't. I was just having a bit of fun at your expense.  :)

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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2010, 03:03:59 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2010, 04:06:18 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!

I assume, Papist, that I should see the last one (which I missed) to have any chance of following this one?

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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2010, 04:11:07 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!

I assume, Papist, that I should see the last one (which I missed) to have any chance of following this one?
Yes, you really need to see what happened inthe half-blood prince, in order to understand what is going on in this particular movie.
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2010, 04:11:58 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!

I assume, Papist, that I should see the last one (which I missed) to have any chance of following this one?
Yes, you really need to see what happened inthe half-blood prince, in order to understand what is going on in this particular movie.
He really only needs to read the Wikipedia summary of the book, and he's good to go.
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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2010, 04:13:44 PM »
I have to say, i was really dissappointed in the psueod-sex scene in this movie. Such things have no place in a Harry Potter film.
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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2010, 04:14:44 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!

I assume, Papist, that I should see the last one (which I missed) to have any chance of following this one?
Yes, you really need to see what happened inthe half-blood prince, in order to understand what is going on in this particular movie.
He really only needs to read the Wikipedia summary of the book, and he's good to go.
I think that if he does that, he will be sorely disappointed about not learning about certain aspects of the plot from actually seeing the movie. That is, of course, unless he has not already read the books.
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2010, 05:14:24 PM »
I have to say, i was really dissappointed in the psueod-sex scene in this movie. Such things have no place in a Harry Potter film.

The whole film seemed to me to be pandering to the Twilight crowd. I honestly thought the film was just dreary. I can't say I'm excited about Part 2.
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2010, 05:47:17 PM »
I am guilty of not reading the books. For some reason I couldn't finish the first one...I just lost interest.  :-[

For what it is worth, I also found the first two films a bit boring---I thought things got interesting with the third.

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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2010, 05:48:41 PM »
Here is a review of the film from a traditional Catholic perspective:

http://decentfilms.com/reviews/harrypotter7a

I haven't really read much of it so I don't come across any spoilers.  :)

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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2010, 05:49:14 PM »
So, I saw the movie... Great flick. NOT A KIDS MOVIE!

I assume, Papist, that I should see the last one (which I missed) to have any chance of following this one?
Yes, you really need to see what happened inthe half-blood prince, in order to understand what is going on in this particular movie.
He really only needs to read the Wikipedia summary of the book, and he's good to go.
I think that if he does that, he will be sorely disappointed about not learning about certain aspects of the plot from actually seeing the movie. That is, of course, unless he has not already read the books.

I'll have to Netflix it.

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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2010, 05:59:18 PM »
I couldn't read the books, either; couldn't get past the first few pages of the first book, and only read the last few pages of the last book. I figured the rest was just filler. ;D
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2010, 07:31:41 PM »
I am guilty of not reading the books. For some reason I couldn't finish the first one...I just lost interest.  :-[

For what it is worth, I also found the first two films a bit boring---I thought things got interesting with the third.
I am with you there. I got about halfway through the first one, then couldn't to it after that. The first one was clearly a children's book, and it most certainly did not posses the depth of thought found in the Chronicles of Narnia.
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Re: Harry Potterr and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2010, 05:49:57 PM »
I've just seen it and I've rally enjoyed it.
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