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Offline Andrew21091

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Question about Jews in Orthodoxy
« on: December 30, 2009, 01:54:06 AM »
There are a few questions I have concerning ethnic Jews who are Christians. Obviously, the early Christians in Jerusalem were Jews. How many ethnic Jews are in the Orthodox Church today? Are there Jews under the Patriarchate of Jerusalem? What about under Antioch? What happened to the Jewish Christians? Did some go elsewhere such as to the Assyrian Church or maybe the Non-Chalcedonians?
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Re: Question about Jews in Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 02:15:36 AM »
Short answer: they got mixed in.

Jews who remained Jewish by faith had rules against intermarriage which allowed them to main a distinct ethnic identity even after the end of any kind of Jewish state. Jews who became Christian by faith on the other hand, had no reason not to intermarry with the Gentile Christians who fairly rapidly became the majority surrounding population. In certain areas (like the Church of the East and Ethiopia), the Jewish cultural component remained stronger in the resultant Christian communities than in others, but in all areas the Jewish and Gentile Christians simply became one people.

Any Jewish Christians as a distinct community in the present day would presumably be fairly recent converts (a couple of generations at the most) since anywhere outside of Israel, the same factors that caused the mixing in the first centuries of the Church would continue to apply.
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Re: Question about Jews in Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 03:27:29 AM »
Are there Jews under the Patriarchate of Jerusalem?

For Jews in the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, see messages 61 and 62 in this thread
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,25119.0.html

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Re: Question about Jews in Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 10:06:15 AM »
Short answer: they got mixed in.

Jews who remained Jewish by faith had rules against intermarriage which allowed them to main a distinct ethnic identity even after the end of any kind of Jewish state. Jews who became Christian by faith on the other hand, had no reason not to intermarry with the Gentile Christians who fairly rapidly became the majority surrounding population. In certain areas (like the Church of the East and Ethiopia), the Jewish cultural component remained stronger in the resultant Christian communities than in others, but in all areas the Jewish and Gentile Christians simply became one people.

Any Jewish Christians as a distinct community in the present day would presumably be fairly recent converts (a couple of generations at the most) since anywhere outside of Israel, the same factors that caused the mixing in the first centuries of the Church would continue to apply.

The Nasrani Christians in India are endogamous, and continue a Hebrew Christian community from the times of the Apostle Thomas.
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Re: Question about Jews in Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 10:35:17 AM »
Very interesting posts. Thanks everybody!