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« on: December 28, 2009, 08:08:06 PM »

Dear all,

Please pray for me. I have never really found my family to be anti-Christian before, but I had a big shock today. As a family we like to discuss and wrangle over issues and the debates can get heated, but it is almost always in the good 'academic debate' sense. Today my brother said, could he discuss 'this belief thing' with me. I was expecting to talk about theology, but he wanted to ask about why one might have faith. I thought that was a perfectly good question and I don't in the least want to proselytize to him, or anyone else in my family. In fact, he started off with 'So, you're a Christian?', and my dad seemed to think I wasn't certain of my faith.

Sadly, it became clear that both my brother and my dad simply wished to mock anything I said in support of Christianity. My brother in particular repeatedly said things like, 'Well, it's all a load of **** rubbish, of course, so **** that, but what I don't understand is why anyone would believe it'. He and my dad both insisted that, if Christianity were right, then Christians should never change their opinions (as in, we should adhere to every word of the Bible as it's written). I tried to explain that the Bible was only put together some time after Christ's death, and that intelligent people do consider their beliefs and make decisions about right and wrong. I know and accept that neither of them knows a great deal about theology or church history, but I was really upset by the tone of their arguments. I would even say that, had we been arguing about a book I loved that they hated, they would have been less rude than they were about this issue of my faith and their lack of faith.

I'm really in turmoil here, not wanting (of course) to alienate my family by forcing on them an expression of faith that only makes them more anti-Christian, but feeling shocked and hurt that they were so keen to mock and to tell me it was all 'rubbish'.

Please pray for me, and please pray that my family will come to better terms with my Christianity (and hopefully, with God).
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 08:21:30 PM »

Lord, have mercy!
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 08:26:45 PM »

I hope that your family will come to be more respectful of your beliefs.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 08:29:03 PM »

I suggest spending more time with C.S. Lewis. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 08:39:03 PM »

Lord, have mercy.

Bear up, Liz, and simply pray for your family members. You don't have to convince them of your beliefs; and in the midst of mockery it's probably best not to even try because they really have no intention of listening. Debating under such circumstances will simply cause unpleasantness and escalate into a situation that is more hurtful than it needs to be. Accepting your differences in love and patience will do more than any arguing; even if you personally feel frustrated that you haven't had your say. Don't be hurt by their remarks; remember they are simply defending themselves against the threat of your faith in their midst. That alone is a challenge to their own paradigm.

A priest I once knew had a brilliant way of dealing with many kinds of *silly* conversations like this. He kept his replies to a simple "Ok"; and of course the person who was talking to him knew that he wasn't really agreeing with them, but giving them room to believe whatever they liked while he went on his way; to another conversation or simply to inner peace while the silliness continued without him.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 08:49:40 PM »

Thankyou, all, and especially Riddikulus for the advice. I suppose it is such a shock because I have had very little experience of people being openly disrespectful of my beliefs, and because my dad and brother are so 'Christian' in the way that they act towards people. I did try to deflect the initial question because I find it hard to talk about faith to people who don't believe, but I think they really wanted to have a good go at mocking me out of my beliefs and would have ignored most attempts at deflection. Anyway ... so it goes.

Papist, you are right - C.S. Lewis it is!
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 09:16:51 PM »

True, when they mock, it's probably best not to say much, just pray for them, pass them books to read, mp3's to listen too

Like this one:
http://www.blip.tv/file/1075757/ (Conversation between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox) (I personally don't see anything wrong with blind faith, crying statues, and Icons, but I thought the conversation was good anyway, and this mp3 might help both your brother and Dad in understanding you......at least in some way.)

As well as DVD's to watch, and hopefully there will be another time to talk about such things in a much more civil and respectful way.

I can't speak for others, but some of us have experienced similar things as well. It's one thing for a highschool bio teacher to call you out in front of the other students, as well as a college professor, and childhood friends, but it's anotherthing when ones own family does it too. I bumped heads a few times with my step dad.

Just continue to pray for them, and try to be there when they need you, for people don't really care about how much you know untill they know how much you really care..........about them.



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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 10:14:47 PM »

Liz,

I will be praying for you, my friend!

I am very much in the same boat. Absolutely everyone who is my relative or friend is an unbeliever. My fellow parishioners - maybe they aren't; but I do not really know them all that close; we never meet outside of the Divine Liturgies at our church, and, based on my Facebook conversations with a few of them, I have no idea, are they believers or not. My wife is an agnostic, as she always stresses, and my daughter is a militant atheist, and so is her husband and so seem to be her in-laws. My mother, who is almost 80 and who is my only surviving blood relative, is an unbeliever, too. I always feel like I am in a huge, immense, white, cold, frozen dezert of unbelief, covered with a thick, million-miles thick snow of unbelief. I am an active member and a section moderator on a Ukrainian web forum called "Maidan," - and there, too, I seem to be about the only person who tries to express belief in the Orthodox faith; in addition, there is one Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest and one absolutely crazy Monophysite Origenist, plus a number of unbelievers, many of whom always attack and mock and humiliate the Christian faith.

What can we do... I do not know. Perhaps just keep living the way we live.

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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 10:21:13 PM »

Liz,

I will be praying for you, my friend!

I am very much in the same boat. Absolutely everyone who is my relative or friend is an unbeliever. My fellow parishioners - maybe they aren't; but I do not really know them all that close; we never meet outside of the Divine Liturgies at our church, and, based on my Facebook conversations with a few of them, I have no idea, are they believers or not. My wife is an agnostic, as she always stresses, and my daughter is a militant atheist, and so is her husband and so seem to be her in-laws. My mother, who is almost 80 and who is my only surviving blood relative, is an unbeliever, too. I always feel like I am in a huge, immense, white, cold, frozen dezert of unbelief, covered with a thick, million-miles thick snow of unbelief. I am an active member and a section moderator on a Ukrainian web forum called "Maidan," - and there, too, I seem to be about the only person who tries to express belief in the Orthodox faith; in addition, there is one Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest and one absolutely crazy Monophysite Origenist, plus a number of unbelievers, many of whom always attack and mock and humiliate the Christian faith.

What can we do... I do not know. Perhaps just keep living the way we live.

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 10:25:43 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 10:52:37 PM »

Lord have Mercy.

May the Lord enlighten, strengthen and guide Liz as she deals with the turmoil in her life.

Amen!
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 11:11:01 PM »

Lord, have mercy on your child...

Sis. Liz, these stories seem very familiar to me, as well, I confess.  laugh
But, I remember that every time that relatives of mine went to church and/or I prayed for them secretly, they, in an absolutely mystic way, changed their views and behaviour overnight!  Wink    All the "arguments" ...gone. So, maybe you should try this at home too... Smiley I am sure the Spirit will be with you, to empower and illumine your heart and intellect...
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 11:15:42 PM »

Liz,

I will be praying for you, my friend!

I am very much in the same boat. Absolutely everyone who is my relative or friend is an unbeliever. My fellow parishioners - maybe they aren't; but I do not really know them all that close; we never meet outside of the Divine Liturgies at our church, and, based on my Facebook conversations with a few of them, I have no idea, are they believers or not. My wife is an agnostic, as she always stresses, and my daughter is a militant atheist, and so is her husband and so seem to be her in-laws. My mother, who is almost 80 and who is my only surviving blood relative, is an unbeliever, too. I always feel like I am in a huge, immense, white, cold, frozen dezert of unbelief, covered with a thick, million-miles thick snow of unbelief. I am an active member and a section moderator on a Ukrainian web forum called "Maidan," - and there, too, I seem to be about the only person who tries to express belief in the Orthodox faith; in addition, there is one Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest and one absolutely crazy Monophysite Origenist, plus a number of unbelievers, many of whom always attack and mock and humiliate the Christian faith.

What can we do... I do not know. Perhaps just keep living the way we live.

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Papist, dear friend, thank you for this, but I have to add that I am so much happier the way I am than if I were a relative (a husband?Huh? HuhHuhHuh) of an ardent member of an Ethiarmonestorioevangelicoorientocatholicotruebaptismomethodistomiachemite Church of the NewestAndReallyOnlyOneSavingCovenant who would engage with me in theological discussions about why would my children go to her church and not mine...
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 01:00:56 AM »

Thankyou, all, and especially Riddikulus for the advice. I suppose it is such a shock because I have had very little experience of people being openly disrespectful of my beliefs, and because my dad and brother are so 'Christian' in the way that they act towards people. I did try to deflect the initial question because I find it hard to talk about faith to people who don't believe, but I think they really wanted to have a good go at mocking me out of my beliefs and would have ignored most attempts at deflection. Anyway ... so it goes.

Papist, you are right - C.S. Lewis it is!

Chesterton has also got a thing or too to say.

Btw, I don't know if it would help, but I was just talking to my son today about Sir Isaac Newton: here the founder pratically of modern science, and the vast perponderance of his writing was on religion and his theology.  In fact, he expressly states that his "science" is only as a tool for his theological studies.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 01:25:34 AM »

Lord have mercy!

I know this sounds counterproductive, but you also have to learn how and when not to debate. It is true that many reject Christianity because Christians are "jerks" or "evil"... but on the other hand, for many, the basics of belief are absolutely hateful.

Some wrongfully believe that science somehow "disproves" God... or some believe that a good, Almighty God would make life wonderful all the time. The thing is, the fact that people intuitively (and to an extent, due to experience) "know" that there is a way life should be points to a moral standard outside of human will. C.S. Lewis had the same basic argument--it is not a heavily "rational" argument, but there's a subjective element to conviction. At any rate, when I had my doubts, the strongest grounding principle was the argument from morality. I've tested time and again the limits of atheistic, non-transcendent standards of morality and in my estimation, they all fail/can easily be subverted.

As for the science thing, it is important to remember that science, or the scientific method, is not some kind of strange cult fetish that we must worship without question. It is an invention of man. And while this invention is something that has led to more inventions, like any other man made thing (like governments or the Church on earth) it is prone to be wrong sometimes and can sometimes be hijacked to serve someone's nefarious agenda.

Also, it's important to do your research on the historicity of Jesus and Biblical scholarship. Our faith is based on evidence; what we want to prove is that the evidence is not fake.
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2009, 01:44:59 AM »

Lord have mercy!

I know this sounds counterproductive, but you also have to learn how and when not to debate. It is true that many reject Christianity because Christians are "jerks" or "evil"... but on the other hand, for many, the basics of belief are absolutely hateful.

Some wrongfully believe that science somehow "disproves" God... or some believe that a good, Almighty God would make life wonderful all the time. The thing is, the fact that people intuitively (and to an extent, due to experience) "know" that there is a way life should be points to a moral standard outside of human will. C.S. Lewis had the same basic argument--it is not a heavily "rational" argument, but there's a subjective element to conviction. At any rate, when I had my doubts, the strongest grounding principle was the argument from morality. I've tested time and again the limits of atheistic, non-transcendent standards of morality and in my estimation, they all fail/can easily be subverted.

As for the science thing, it is important to remember that science, or the scientific method, is not some kind of strange cult fetish that we must worship without question. It is an invention of man. And while this invention is something that has led to more inventions, like any other man made thing (like governments or the Church on earth) it is prone to be wrong sometimes and can sometimes be hijacked to serve someone's nefarious agenda.

Also, it's important to do your research on the historicity of Jesus and Biblical scholarship. Our faith is based on evidence; what we want to prove is that the evidence is not fake.
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2009, 01:48:53 AM »

Lord Have Mercy ! Amen Amen..
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2009, 05:42:33 AM »

Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy!
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2009, 05:53:56 AM »

Lord have mercy.
Remember to have fun with them. Nothing infuriates them more than you not retaliating and keeping an inner peace, just saying "uh huh" to everything and then going to Church!
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Remember to have fun with them. Nothing infuriates them more than you not retaliating and keeping an inner peace, just saying "uh huh" to everything and then going to Church!
This certainly sounds like George. Smiley
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So, you almost have 24/7 the chance to talk with atheists (who are, probably, ignorant of Christianity) and you don't get the chance to? Wink
As George said, trying having your fun. Without driving them mad, of course.

Lord, have mercy on your..."confessor". Wink
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2009, 08:47:57 AM »

Liz, I just wanted to apologize for my yesterday's lengthy reply. It does not belong to this forum (or perhaps anywhere), because it was just venting. I will be praying for you.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 09:00:22 AM »

Liz, I just wanted to apologize for my yesterday's lengthy reply. It does not belong to this forum (or perhaps anywhere), because it was just venting. I will be praying for you.

Please don't apologize! I felt bad for you, and your situation is clearly tougher than mine, but all the same it helped a bit to know that someone else had the same difficulty. And we all need to vent sometimes!

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Just continue to pray for them, and try to be there when they need you, for people don't really care about how much you know untill they know how much you really care..........about them.


Probably one of the most important and intelligent things I've read in a long while.  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2009, 05:59:04 PM »


Lord, have mercy!

Hang in there.  Like OzGeorge said, pick your battles.  You don't have to convince them or convert them.  Just be a see of calm and tranquility.

You are in my humble and unworthy prayers!

Amen.

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2009, 07:59:34 PM »

Lord have mercy.
Remember to have fun with them. Nothing infuriates them more than you not retaliating and keeping an inner peace, just saying "uh huh" to everything and then going to Church!

Actually, this is good advice, because while you remain impervious to their attacks, they can backfire upon them. If your brother and father are left infuriated or frustrated by a meek and mild attitude to their attacks, the conversation will revisit them later. Then they are only faced with what they have said and done during such attacks. Often people are very bolshi during this kind of discussion, but afterward are left to ruminate (and be ashamed) over what they have done - especially if they have mocked a loved one. We shouldn't assume that people who aren't Christians are without a conscience. Stirring their conscience rather than feeding their anti-Christian agression is a much better path to take, IMO.

And of course, pray for them!
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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2009, 12:25:47 AM »

That's a tough situation Liz, no doubt. Lord have mercy!
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2010, 04:33:15 AM »

Lord Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy!

on your faithful servants who face religious persecution!  Lead, O Lord, your servant's family to your Holy, Catholic and Apostailc church!



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