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Is it proper for an Orthodox Christian to get a tattoo?

It's fine, nothing wrong with it.
42 (22.6%)
They can if they want, but I wouldn't.
27 (14.5%)
Only in some circumstances.
23 (12.4%)
I don't think it's proper, no.
38 (20.4%)
It is absolutely, positively sinful!
15 (8.1%)
I'm not sure.
37 (19.9%)
None of the above.
4 (2.2%)

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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2013, 11:24:11 PM »
I've heard of monks on Mt Athos giving pilgrims the opportunity to receive a tattoo of the cross.

That's sort of... er... I take it they don't have autoclaves there on Mount Athos. You see where I'm going with this?  :angel:

It's just what I've heard. I'm sure they would have some way of keeping things clean and sanitary if they do give tattoos.

Quite Obviously, they put Windex on it.


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« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2013, 11:45:01 PM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #137 on: July 25, 2013, 12:05:21 AM »
I've heard of monks on Mt Athos giving pilgrims the opportunity to receive a tattoo of the cross.

That's sort of... er... I take it they don't have autoclaves there on Mount Athos. You see where I'm going with this?  :angel:

It's just what I've heard. I'm sure they would have some way of keeping things clean and sanitary if they do give tattoos.

Quite Obviously, they put Windex on it.



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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2013, 12:06:35 AM »
Thoughts:



It's poorly executed IMO. If you are going to get a tattoo, get it done right or don't do it at all.

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« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2013, 12:10:51 AM »
It's poorly executed IMO. If you are going to get a tattoo, get it done right or don't do it at all.

Anything in particular?

And I don't especially like or dislike it, I'm just intrigued by the responses.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2013, 12:13:26 AM »
I've come to believe (and this is just my opinion) that if you get a tattoo before you become a Christian, that's not a sin.  But if you get a tattoo as a Christian, this is probably a sin because it's not good stewardship of your money.  Having said that, I think that if you're a Christian minority living in a non-Christian country and the tradition is to get a tattoo of a cross to identify yourself, then that's  probably Ok.  I think that before anyone gets a tattoo, you should ask your priest.  Again, this is just my opinion.
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« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2013, 12:14:42 AM »
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It's poorly executed IMO. If you are going to get a tattoo, get it done right or don't do it at all.

Plus, it's just plain silly.
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« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2013, 12:22:47 AM »
The shading is really strange and random. The style of the eagles versus the cross is very jarring. Stylistically they just don't mesh. The cross is almost cartoon like, whereas the eagles are more old jerry style. The tattoo is done in such a way that the visual perspective is completely off.

I also suspect the cross was done at a completely different time than the eagle. Which again, is done in a completely different style. Various styles can mesh well, this isn't an example of them meshing well at all.
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« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2013, 12:26:03 AM »
Really, the more I look at that tattoo, the worse it looks.

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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2013, 12:40:33 AM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.

+1

It's also weird to me how tattoos are singled out as expressions of vanity or poor stewardship, but most Christians have no qualms about makeup, jewelry, expensive hair coiffeurs, or stylish clothing.


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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #145 on: July 25, 2013, 12:43:28 AM »
It's poorly executed IMO. If you are going to get a tattoo, get it done right or don't do it at all.

Anything in particular?

And I don't especially like or dislike it, I'm just intrigued by the responses.
Asteriktos...

...is that your tattoo?
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« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2013, 12:44:17 AM »
It's also weird to me how tattoos are singled out as expressions of vanity or poor stewardship, but most Christians have no qualms about makeup, jewelry, expensive hair coiffeurs, or stylish clothing.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2013, 12:45:13 AM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.

+1

It's also weird to me how tattoos are singled out as expressions of vanity or poor stewardship, but most Christians have no qualms about makeup, jewelry, expensive hair coiffeurs, or stylish clothing.


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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2013, 12:53:27 AM »
The shading is really strange and random. The style of the eagles versus the cross is very jarring. Stylistically they just don't mesh. The cross is almost cartoon like, whereas the eagles are more old jerry style. The tattoo is done in such a way that the visual perspective is completely off.

I also suspect the cross was done at a completely different time than the eagle. Which again, is done in a completely different style. Various styles can mesh well, this isn't an example of them meshing well at all.

The eagle is so dark and oddly shaded that my terrible addiction to the shows 'tattoo nightmares' and 'ink master' tell me that this has a high likelyhood of either being, or at least looking like a coverup tattoo...
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« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2013, 01:02:18 AM »
It's poorly executed IMO. If you are going to get a tattoo, get it done right or don't do it at all.

Anything in particular?

And I don't especially like or dislike it, I'm just intrigued by the responses.
Asteriktos...

...is that your tattoo?

Nah, I go more for melodrama than nationalism. I have a three bar cross now, and am thinking about getting an upside down/mirror one to match it below, with "Eli Eli lama sabachthani" incorporated.  8)

Also, I have no intention of getting any tats on my calves.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #150 on: July 25, 2013, 02:37:41 AM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.

+1

It's also weird to me how tattoos are singled out as expressions of vanity or poor stewardship, but most Christians have no qualms about makeup, jewelry, expensive hair coiffeurs, or stylish clothing.


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One's preference in clothes can, and usually does, change, as they age. Makeup is also something that many women wear less of (or it is far more subtle) as they age and mature in mind. Jewelry? Same thing. Many women either tone down the bling of their youth, or stop wearing jewellery altogether (apart from a wedding band, of course), or wear it only on formal or special occasions.

Conversely, a tat is for life. Laser treatment has no guarantee of success. And then there's the little problem of the effects of gravity and other effects of aging, turning one's youthful impulse into something grotesque.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #151 on: July 25, 2013, 03:37:06 AM »
The shading is really strange and random. The style of the eagles versus the cross is very jarring. Stylistically they just don't mesh. The cross is almost cartoon like, whereas the eagles are more old jerry style. The tattoo is done in such a way that the visual perspective is completely off.

I also suspect the cross was done at a completely different time than the eagle. Which again, is done in a completely different style. Various styles can mesh well, this isn't an example of them meshing well at all.

The eagle is so dark and oddly shaded that my terrible addiction to the shows 'tattoo nightmares' and 'ink master' tell me that this has a high likelyhood of either being, or at least looking like a coverup tattoo...

I thought it looked like a bad coverup tattoo as well.

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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #152 on: July 25, 2013, 03:53:08 AM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.

+1

It's also weird to me how tattoos are singled out as expressions of vanity or poor stewardship, but most Christians have no qualms about makeup, jewelry, expensive hair coiffeurs, or stylish clothing.


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One's preference in clothes can, and usually does, change, as they age. Makeup is also something that many women wear less of (or it is far more subtle) as they age and mature in mind. Jewelry? Same thing. Many women either tone down the bling of their youth, or stop wearing jewellery altogether (apart from a wedding band, of course), or wear it only on formal or special occasions.

Conversely, a tat is for life. Laser treatment has no guarantee of success. And then there's the little problem of the effects of gravity and other effects of aging, turning one's youthful impulse into something grotesque.

That's true. Tattoos are permanent and people should carefully consider the consequences.


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« Reply #153 on: July 25, 2013, 03:56:41 AM »

Ugly, blasphemous, and totally unnecessary.

Come now, don't hold back!  :)

What about it is blasphemous?

Turning the Christian cross into a lurid badge akin to bikers' colors. And don't get me started on the aggressive phyletism expressed in the composition ...

How about this one, LBK:



For those wondering, the script is John 15:13, in Slavonic. Still completely unnecessary. What's wrong with being content with wearing a baptismal cross?
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« Reply #154 on: July 25, 2013, 04:55:09 AM »
tattoo is more difficult to steal or remove.
i quite like the slavonic tattoo.
i would just get a cross without writing though
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« Reply #155 on: July 25, 2013, 10:24:20 PM »
Some great tattoos I've seen here. I don't think it's a matter of if it's proper, but the impact that it has on the soul. Generally, the Orthodox give up all external aspects in favor of the internal, but not in the sense that the external doesn't matter at all, just that the internal presides over it. Just like monks give up possessions, "normal" clothes, etc. because these things tend to make the soul heavy and keep it on the physical level while adding to the difficulties of earthly life (having to maintain and worry about all that you own).

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« Reply #156 on: July 25, 2013, 10:44:02 PM »
Conversely, a tat is for life. Laser treatment has no guarantee of success. And then there's the little problem of the effects of gravity and other effects of aging, turning one's youthful impulse into something grotesque.

My grandfather had tats, and even into his 80s they looked great. Well, maybe not from a purely aesthetic point of view (especially if that POV is not much in favor of tats to begin with), but I thought they were great.  :angel:
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« Reply #157 on: July 25, 2013, 10:45:20 PM »
The shading is really strange and random. The style of the eagles versus the cross is very jarring. Stylistically they just don't mesh. The cross is almost cartoon like, whereas the eagles are more old jerry style. The tattoo is done in such a way that the visual perspective is completely off.

I also suspect the cross was done at a completely different time than the eagle. Which again, is done in a completely different style. Various styles can mesh well, this isn't an example of them meshing well at all.

Thank you. People often say "that tattoo sucks" or "that tattoo is really good" and I have no idea what they're talking about. I guess I have a certain tone deafness when it comes to evaluating such things. Perhaps this is related to my post above  ;D
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« Reply #158 on: July 26, 2013, 02:09:00 AM »
What's wrong with being content with wearing a baptismal cross?
What's wrong with being content with wearing a tattoo?
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« Reply #159 on: July 26, 2013, 04:38:09 AM »
What's wrong with being content with wearing a baptismal cross?
What's wrong with being content with wearing a tattoo?

A baptismal cross is a proper and necessary part of one's reception into the Church. A tattoo, particularly the large and lurid sorts featured on this and other threads, is neither necessary nor proper.

The small cross on the hands or foreheads of Copts and other OO is another matter, with a strong history and understandable origin - as others have ably explained. I am not at all critical of this practice.
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« Reply #160 on: August 26, 2013, 09:17:45 PM »
Here are my tattoos

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« Reply #161 on: August 26, 2013, 09:32:23 PM »
Here are my tattoos


I like the first one especially. Help me with my Greek. The top word is "Orthodoxia"? What is the bottom word?


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« Reply #162 on: August 26, 2013, 09:43:29 PM »
I got a few friendly taunts about not having a tatoo, since most people I know around here have some. I think it's because it won't look all that good in the old age. But then again, as a friend said, in the old age nobody will care about how it looks anymore, anyways. So, in conclusion, at least get a cool one.
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« Reply #163 on: August 26, 2013, 09:45:53 PM »
Here are my tattoos


I like the first one especially. Help me with my Greek. The top word is "Orthodoxia"? What is the bottom word?


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« Reply #164 on: August 26, 2013, 09:47:43 PM »
I thought it read "Orthodoxy or tatoos".  ;D

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« Reply #165 on: August 26, 2013, 09:50:21 PM »
I thought it read "Orthodoxy or tatoos".  ;D

Haha being romanian i could have made a mystake  ;D

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« Reply #166 on: August 26, 2013, 10:08:59 PM »
Here are my tattoos


I like the first one especially. Help me with my Greek. The top word is "Orthodoxia"? What is the bottom word?


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Ahh, nice! Thank you.


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« Reply #167 on: August 26, 2013, 10:25:28 PM »
Here are my tattoos

The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #168 on: August 26, 2013, 10:30:24 PM »
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The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(

I believe it comes from our national coat of arms:

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« Reply #169 on: August 26, 2013, 10:34:23 PM »
Here are my tattoos

The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(

I believe it's a detail of our national coat of arms:



The version in the tattoo is little more than a belligerent biker tat with a cross, the product of immature adolescence. It is far removed from the national crest.
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« Reply #170 on: August 26, 2013, 10:35:33 PM »
Here are my tattoos

The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(

I believe it comes from our national coat of arms:



Yes it comes from it, our symbol since at least the 14th century. But maybe will he say that our coat of arms is bordering on blasphemy too  ;D  And i'm not a biker at all lol. The flaming under it actually reads nihil sine deo.

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You know, it is kind of adolescent to pretext a biker style and a far deviation from the coat of arms(that obviously you didnt know about for calling it "blasphemy") just not to admit that you just dont like tattoos   ;)
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« Reply #171 on: August 26, 2013, 11:05:54 PM »
Do tats on the shoulder stretch if you gain shoulder muscle?
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« Reply #172 on: August 27, 2013, 01:41:07 AM »
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The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #173 on: August 27, 2013, 02:48:33 AM »
Here are my tattoos

The eagle biting a cross is highly disrespectful, bordering on blasphemy.  >:( >:( >:(
Nothing like a little nationalism with Orthodoxy. It's the American thing to do, LBK...you wouldn't understand...

American? Heh. Tell that to the militant Serbs, Russians, Greeks, Romanians, etc who indulge in this idiotic defacement of their bodies and debasement of Orthodoxy. Phyletism is phyletism, no matter where you live.  :P ::)
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #174 on: March 27, 2014, 12:41:42 AM »
1,300-year-old Egyptian mummy had tattoo of Archangel Michael


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/26/scientists-unearth-new-secrets-from-ancient-mummy/


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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #175 on: March 27, 2014, 03:25:03 AM »
1,300-year-old Egyptian mummy had tattoo of Archangel Michael


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/26/scientists-unearth-new-secrets-from-ancient-mummy/


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Interesting, but the article doesn't say why any of them think it was the Archangel and not any other Michael, or why they even were sure it was a Christian usage.

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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #176 on: March 27, 2014, 03:50:56 AM »
1,300-year-old Egyptian mummy had tattoo of Archangel Michael


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/26/scientists-unearth-new-secrets-from-ancient-mummy/


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Interesting, but the article doesn't say why any of them think it was the Archangel and not any other Michael, or why they even were sure it was a Christian usage.

Indeed.
Might just be proof of the very first violation of the 'never get a romantic interests name inked on you' rule. 
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #177 on: March 27, 2014, 04:37:21 PM »


I got this one a few weeks ago while in a drunken stupor.  I can't remember if I asked them to make it Peewee Herman or Klaus Nomi.  I really shouldn't drink rumplemintz anymore.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #178 on: March 27, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
I do have two tattoos - one I got in 2005, the other 2009, years before I became Orthodox. Would I get another? I don't know. I doubt it.
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Re: Orthodox Christians and Tattoos
« Reply #179 on: March 27, 2014, 08:43:32 PM »
Jesus wants you to be cool. He endured crucifixion and death so that you could get crosses tattooed on yourself.

Well if Jesus died for my sins, and getting a tat is a sin, then Jesus died so that I could get a tat and be forgiven for it.

Only if you scrape it off like Russell Crowe in Gladiator.
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