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« on: May 23, 2014, 01:56:12 PM »

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However, many people who call themselves Jews do not believe in that religion at all! More than half of all Jews in Israel today call themselves "secular," and don't believe in G-d or any of the religious beliefs of Judaism. Half of all Jews in the United States don't belong to any synagogue. They may practice some of the rituals of Judaism and celebrate some of the holidays, but they don't think of these actions as religious activities.

Source http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm


The question that comes to my mind is why ? Why would half of Jews in Israel don't believe in God and almost the same thing for Jews in America ?!

What is the reason in your opinion ?

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 02:03:23 PM »

they know the truth
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 02:08:32 PM »

they know the truth

Meaning ?
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Apophaticism par excellence. God is so unknowable/beyond human comprehension that he might as well not exist.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 02:12:11 PM »

they know the truth
You go from giving advice to converts to atheist within the span of a week?
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 02:14:26 PM »

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You go from giving advice to converts to atheist within the span of a week?

It was never me.. I tried to be nice.. I am an agnostic/atheistic person..
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You go from giving advice to converts to atheist within the span of a week?

It was never me.. I tried to be nice.. I am an agnostic/atheistic person..
So why come on to an Orthodox Christian and post 500 some odd times?  I don't go on to atheist sites and give advise. What is the purpose?  Not trying to be mean, I'm honestly interested.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 02:20:36 PM »

Cultural Jews are usually agnostic/atheist/indifferent.  They like the Bar Mitzvahs, though.  And smashing glass at weddings.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 04:31:12 PM »

The story of the Jewish religion is such a sad one. Lest we be puffed up and blind, however, let's remember that there but by God's favor goes the whole of modern society.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 05:47:33 PM »

I'm not surprised. This Khazar mutation of Talmudism can only be practiced by the ignorant or faithless.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 05:52:20 PM »


I know many baptized Christians who also have been married in church who do not really believe in God, they just go along.
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I know many baptized Christians who also have been married in church who do not really believe in God, they just go along.

True. I just found out that almost half of Protestants in the Netherlands DO NOT believe in God. While ONLY 27% of Catholics in the Netherlands believe in God, and 55% of Catholics there believe in some higher power, and 17% are Agnostic!!!

There is something wrong going on.

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 06:16:32 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 06:25:20 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.

Could you explain more please ?
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2014, 06:29:25 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.

Could you explain more please ?


Just because we "think something" doesn't mean its true .. It needs to be backed up and proven by facts and research.

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 06:33:48 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.
It is if you have known them for 30-40 years and had many such conversations. And stood up for their weddings, while they tell you privately that they do not really believe all that stuff .
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 06:39:58 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.
It is if you have known them for 30-40 years and had many such conversations. And stood up for their weddings, while they tell you privately that they do not really believe all that stuff .

I sort of understand but "explaining stuff" tends to confuse people. Its not appropriate to "explain stuff" unless your in a classroom with an official teacher.
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 06:40:29 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.

Could you explain more please ?


Just because we "think something" doesn't mean its true .. It needs to be backed up and proven by facts and research.



The first post about half of Jews are Atheists is from a Jewish website that teaches about Judaism. why would such website claim such thing without evidence ?!

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Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half of all American Jews doubt God's existence. In other groups, that number is between 10 and 15 percent.

Source...http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-26/jew-atheist-god/50553958/1



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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 06:46:56 PM »

Again. we're following common trains of thought - just because we "think something" doesn't mean its actually true.
It is if you have known them for 30-40 years and had many such conversations. And stood up for their weddings, while they tell you privately that they do not really believe all that stuff .

I sort of understand but "explaining stuff" tends to confuse people. Its not appropriate to "explain stuff" unless your in a classroom with an official teacher.

It is funny when people understand what you said , but make issues about language anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 07:10:25 PM »

Jews are atheists for the same reasons other people are atheists. And everyone has their own reasons.
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2014, 07:22:23 PM »

I do believe in the Torah, I do believe in the whole Old Testament. So, I wonder how could someone be a Jewish and atheist at the same time. Not why they are atheists, but how could they be still considered to be Jewish when they don't believe in God.

In one of the links above, said that Judaism is not "dogmatic", means that you don't have to believe in God to be Jewish. But doesn't that contradict what we Christians read in the Old Testament ? Doesn't that contradict the most vital commandment in the Torah ?
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I do believe in the Torah, I do believe in the whole Old Testament. So, I wonder how could someone be a Jewish and atheist at the same time. Not why they are atheists, but how could they be still considered to be Jewish when they don't believe in God.

In one of the links above, said that Judaism is not "dogmatic", means that you don't have to believe in God to be Jewish. But doesn't that contradict what we Christians read in the Old Testament ? Doesn't that contradict the most vital commandment in the Torah ?

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There's a difference between the Jewish people and Judaism. There are different denominations within Judaism as well, but we'll assume that "Judaism" refers to any form that believes in God.

To be Jewish is simply to be born into the ethnic group known as the Jews. It's no different from Greek, Arab, Slav, etc.

To be an "observant" or "practicing" Jew means to adhere to the beliefs and rules of Judaism.

I, for example, am Jewish. But I am not a practicing Jew because I practice Christianity. I am, some might say, a Jewish Christian (or a Christian Jew, whatever).

A hundred years ago, atheist Jews were a rarity because people were born into ethnic families that followed the traditions of their ancestors (Judaism). But today, Jews frequently come from mixed parents where there is no dominant tradition, if there is one at all. So a Jew is still ethnically Jewish even if they don't have a religion.
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2014, 07:37:20 PM »

I do believe in the Torah, I do believe in the whole Old Testament. So, I wonder how could someone be a Jewish and atheist at the same time. Not why they are atheists, but how could they be still considered to be Jewish when they don't believe in God.

In one of the links above, said that Judaism is not "dogmatic", means that you don't have to believe in God to be Jewish. But doesn't that contradict what we Christians read in the Old Testament ? Doesn't that contradict the most vital commandment in the Torah ?

Well they aren't practicing Jews -- they don't have any great interest what Torah says. To be Jewish is not only religious, but racial, cultural, and so forth. Most young Jews, according to polls, do not consider Judaism a religion at all really. Same way with the European Christians you cited who say they are atheists. They don't care about church dogma -- they were born into the definition "Catholic", "Reformed", or whatever, in the same way (it seems to them) they were born Dutch or French.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2014, 07:44:39 PM »

Think of it this way: an Arab can be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, or anything else. There's no confusion here because "Arab" only describes ethnicity, not religion.

"Jew" describes both, but someone can be just the ethnicity. For your information, when someone converts to Judaism, they are considered a full member of the tribe, but demographically speaking they aren't ethnically Jewish.

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2014, 08:04:50 PM »

How many Jews in Israel emigrated from the Soviet Union? Fifty percent? More? That may have something to do with the stat you found. The communists did a bang-up job beating faith out of people.
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2014, 10:27:28 PM »

How many Jews in Israel emigrated from the Soviet Union? Fifty percent? More? That may have something to do with the stat you found. The communists did a bang-up job beating faith out of people.
 

So they're just using their status to get a free compensation of stolen land and other gifts, courtesy of the guilty West and at expense of the Palestinians?
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2014, 10:29:33 PM »

The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2014, 10:53:03 PM »

The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.

They were offered Ghana, Madagascar, a multitude of options.

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You're the guy who just discovered he's Antiochian, right? You'll fit right in.

How many Jews in Israel emigrated from the Soviet Union? Fifty percent? More? That may have something to do with the stat you found. The communists did a bang-up job beating faith out of people.
 

So they're just using their status to get a free compensation of stolen land and other gifts, courtesy of the guilty West and at expense of the Palestinians?
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2014, 11:06:31 AM »

Poll: Americans' Belief in God Is Strong--But Declining

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/poll-americans-belief-god-strong-declining

(CNSNews.com) - A new Harris Poll finds that a strong majority (74 percent) of U.S. adults say they believe in God, but that's down from the 82 percent who expressed such a belief in earlier years.


--68 percent believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God, down from 72 percent;

--65 percent believes in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, down from 70 percent;


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The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.

Uh, yes it was.
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I'm not surprised. This Khazar mutation of Talmudism can only be practiced by the ignorant or faithless.

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2014, 11:55:27 AM »

The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.

Uh, yes it was.

Which religious faith?  All?  Any in particular?
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2014, 12:35:43 PM »

Most Jews in America are Reformed and they tend to be the most liberal in what Jew must believe. There is a lot of intermarriage with non-Jews which would further dilute their belief in God. Secularism in our society also would further contribute to a lack of belief in God.  

My neighbor is a prime example of a Jew, who practices in her faith but doesn't believe in God. She attends temple and her kids went through bar mitzvah practices but their family doesn't believe in God.

Her son was interested in what we believe so I let him hold an icon of Christ as I described who Christ is. I figure it is good to plant seeds because someone else may water those seeds further down the path.

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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2014, 01:24:44 PM »

The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.

Uh, yes it was.

Some massacres yes, some no. The Russian's excluded the Karaite Jews as not being responsible for Christ's death and were protected from pogroms.

The Spanish Inquisition was solely based on faith. If you converted you were safe ( but watched very carefully for back sliding).

When the Arabs destroyed most of the Jewish communities in the middle east it was more political than racial or religious

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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2014, 01:45:15 PM »

The Holocaust was not based on religious faith, so I'm not sure why you'd think the institution of a Jewish homeland should be.

Uh, yes it was.

Some massacres yes, some no. The Russian's excluded the Karaite Jews as not being responsible for Christ's death and were protected from pogroms.

The Spanish Inquisition was solely based on faith. If you converted you were safe ( but watched very carefully for back sliding).

When the Arabs destroyed most of the Jewish communities in the middle east it was more political than racial or religious

Pick em

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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2014, 04:29:23 PM »

I do believe in the Torah, I do believe in the whole Old Testament. So, I wonder how could someone be a Jewish and atheist at the same time. Not why they are atheists, but how could they be still considered to be Jewish when they don't believe in God.

In one of the links above, said that Judaism is not "dogmatic", means that you don't have to believe in God to be Jewish. But doesn't that contradict what we Christians read in the Old Testament ? Doesn't that contradict the most vital commandment in the Torah ?

The Jewish person who is born as such, is still a Jew if he does not have faith, just as any nationality .
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2014, 04:33:25 PM »

Only half? Good for them. I'd bet that the amount of nominal Orthodox people who don't believe in God is probably around half as well, maybe slightly more.
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2014, 05:53:56 PM »

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There has been a secular strain that has run through the Jewish faith for the last one hundred years. The focus is on social justice in the world and less on a relationship with God.  In other words, social justice becomes almost like an idol since it pulls people's faith way from God.
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2014, 07:37:31 PM »

Raylight,

There has been a secular strain that has run through the Jewish faith for the last one hundred years. The focus is on social justice in the world and less on a relationship with God.  In other words, social justice becomes almost like an idol since it pulls people's faith way from God.

Or, in lieu of real religion, some are drawn to secular versions of righteousness. Also, it's not as though most Jews are social crusaders -- most are just normal folks -- not to mention the famous few who are on the record as regarding humanity with some contempt, e.g. a Sigmund Freud or a Murray Rothbard
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