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Offline David

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Atheistic Rationalism in kids today...
« on: December 17, 2003, 06:55:25 PM »
A sickening post I found on a secular site on a topic discussing Scientology.  If our society is messed up now, imagine how it will be when 19 year olds such as this are in charge...

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God. Allah. Buddha. Zeus. That one guy. I've asked all to strike me down and none have.....'cause none are there to do so. If anyone should be struck down it should be me, and their lack of striking only proves I'm right. Right?

And if I'm wrong, which I am not, I've already resigned to the fact I'd be going to Hell. I'm quite okay with that.  To quote my dad, who was quoting Classy Freddie Blassie: "I'd rather be a King in Hell than a Stooge in Heaven."

Besides, if God exists, the lousy b*****d has already tried to kill me off at least four serious times since I was two and has failed f***ing miserably. How weak is that? The way I see it, I beat God so far.

Hell, I'll go one further and plain out say 'I am God.' That's right, you heard me. I am God. Prove me wrong. Can't? Just as no one can prove any others' right. So there. Hah! **crosses arms and smiles smugly. **
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Re:Atheistic Rationalism in kids today...
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2003, 07:07:34 PM »
I'll have to tell you about SmiteCam sometime. . .

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2003, 07:29:21 PM »
Young women actually... she apparantly is an actress and model in California.  Go figure.
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Re:Atheistic Rationalism in kids today...
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2003, 07:47:57 PM »
Sickening? Oh... I don't know... God can take it.

Methinks she doth protest too much.

She's wrestling with this somehow... there's more hope in her struggle than in completely self-satisfied apathy.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2003, 05:16:46 AM »
And the thread should rather be called Atheistic Irrationalism.

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2003, 09:21:26 AM »
Sickening? Oh... I don't know... God can take it.

Methinks she doth protest too much.

She's wrestling with this somehow... there's more hope in her struggle than in completely self-satisfied apathy.

I agree.

A real atheist or agnostic doesn't spend a lot of time worrying about God or religion. He just dismisses them and goes on about his business.

I was that way for years.
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Re:Atheistic Rationalism in kids today...
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2003, 10:11:49 AM »
David,

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God. Allah. Buddha. Zeus. That one guy. I've asked all to strike me down and none have.....'cause none are there to do so. If anyone should be struck down it should be me, and their lack of striking only proves I'm right. Right?

And if I'm wrong, which I am not, I've already resigned to the fact I'd be going to Hell. I'm quite okay with that.  To quote my dad, who was quoting Classy Freddie Blassie: "I'd rather be a King in Hell than a Stooge in Heaven."

etc., etc...

I'm not sure how "rational" this person is being.

At the same time, I think things like this, if heartfelt, go a long way in "justifying" what the Scriptures teach - that sadly, there will be those who will be seperated from the blessed on the Last Day, and placed in "gehenna".  The word, interestingly enough, comes from a real place, which being an infamous place, came to be used as a garbage dump by the Jews.  Hence, why the name is used to describe the place where the damned will be placed.

It is not because God is vindictive, or for a lack of "trying" on His part.  It is because each of us, has to work out what Light we have been given, or I should say, work out our response to said Light.  Should we find ourselves condemned to gehenna, it will be because we rejected that Light, and preferred other things to It.   IOW, the "judgement" is just that - God's appraisal of what we fundamentally have made of ourselves.

Of course, we should not condemn anyone in this life to such a miserable fate, judging that it is their lot - for until our last breath, there is always time to turn around (not to mention that there is much in the lives of others which will always remain hidden to our eyes.)

However, things like the above are a sobering wake up call.  For while I may not speak with flamboyant blasphemies or overt words of malice towards the Divine Majesty...do I do just the same (or worse!) by my deep seated indifference and hypocricy?

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2003, 11:01:27 PM »
At times, I myself have felt the way this person feels in their post. I can understand from where they are coming from. It is easy to mock people who are in this situation, perhaps that is why so many people have such a contempt and distrust of Christianity, because those who call themselves Christians really aren't by their deeds and words.
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2003, 01:00:23 PM »
There but for the grace of God go I.

I have said everything this kid is saying now. As long as she is alive, there is hope for her. If God did it for me, he can do it for her.

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2003, 06:14:59 PM »
Seraphim,

Very good points.  I was not aware of the etymology of gehanna, thank you for the information.  As you have said, the important thing is that we do not give up on anyone.  If we are unable to see the image of Christ in these people, we are simply not trying hard enough.  


There but for the grace of God go I.

Indeed.  I guess what I intended by posting this is to motivate a conversation on how we interact with nonreligious people in our daily lives.  Whenever I meet a person with this attitude(albeit usually not quite this abrasive), Often I will refuse to engage this person in the debate that they are seeking, but instead impress upon them the importance of keeping an open mind and perhaps the God who they refuse or are unable to understand will manifest in their lives.  Seek and ye shall find,.  :)
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