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Divine Liturgy in Congo
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 08:03:23 PM »
Thanks for sharing!

Is it common in Greek tradition for blessed to act as subdeacons (I doubt that  kids are ordained subdeacons) to cense?
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 08:12:58 PM »
Great Video's thanks.... :)
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 12:50:53 PM »
Thanks for sharing!

Is it common in Greek tradition for blessed to act as subdeacons (I doubt that  kids are ordained subdeacons) to cense?

The Greek tradition doesn't have the same hangup about who can cense like the Russian tradition has. The fact that the kids are using the hand censer to cense the church makes sense in that the hand censer is very common even in Greek household to cense the home. In some monastic practices the hand censar belongs to the ecllesiarch and he does the censing at the start of Orthros and before the meals even if he is not ordained.
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 01:22:09 PM »
Thanks for sharing!

Is it common in Greek tradition for blessed to act as subdeacons (I doubt that  kids are ordained subdeacons) to cense?

The Greek tradition doesn't have the same hangup about who can cense like the Russian tradition has. The fact that the kids are using the hand censer to cense the church makes sense in that the hand censer is very common even in Greek household to cense the home. In some monastic practices the hand censar belongs to the ecllesiarch and he does the censing at the start of Orthros and before the meals even if he is not ordained. 

I don't think I've ever seen a kid cense the church (kazion or not), but I have seen them cense the icon carried by the priest, or the gifts in the Great Entrance; and certainly they've held the censor between uses (for Artoclasia, Memorial/Trisagion, etc.).
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 02:56:48 PM »
At St. Anthony's Monastery in Arizona, the Ecclesiarch censes the temple  with the kazion during the singing of the Trisagion at Liturgy (after "Glory...& Now...," when "Holy God..." is subjected to a very prolongued repeat).
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 03:31:59 PM »
Is it common in west Africa to serve the whole Liturgy in Greek among the native population, or is it mixed and matched, or does it vary with parishes?   I assume perhaps depends on the diocesan bishop?   

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 05:01:26 PM »
^ I know from stories related to me by Kenyan clergy that they did the Liturgy in Swahili, but had learned a fair amount of Greek.  I also know that a few bishops have been working on translations to particular local dialects (rather than the various pan-African languages).
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2009, 08:16:39 AM »
^ I know from stories related to me by Kenyan clergy that they did the Liturgy in Swahili, but had learned a fair amount of Greek.  I also know that a few bishops have been working on translations to particular local dialects (rather than the various pan-African languages).

In the crypt/meeting hall of Helsinki's Uspensky Cathedral earlier this year, there was an exhibition of Divine Liturgy translations into the many, many minority languages of Kenya. Being a linguist, I found this all fascinating. But it's a pity that the peoples of Africa can have the liturgy in their own language, while in the Russian Orthodox Church even the minorities with little to no Russian skills are told they must pray in Church Slavonic.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 05:08:35 PM »
It is a beautiful video. It is very heart warming to see those children singing. Though, I don't see why some of the parts are in Greek since I didn't see many Greeks in the church. How come they don't do it in French (being the official language) or one of the other languages in the Congo? What was the language being sung during Psalm 135?

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2010, 10:58:28 AM »
Perhaps because they received the Orthodox faith from Greek speaking churches; perhaps because Greek is the original language ou our liturgy. I don't see them bothered by it at all.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 01:57:20 PM »
Perhaps because they received the Orthodox faith from Greek speaking churches; perhaps because Greek is the original language ou our liturgy. I don't see them bothered by it at all.

They don't and I really don't have a problem with it. I was just curious.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Congo
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2010, 08:29:25 AM »
More about the Orthodox Church in Africa (in Russian):

Orthodoxy in Kenya, Tanzania, Egypt and Tunusia.