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Septuagint
« on: December 19, 2009, 06:04:57 PM »
Is the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) any good?  Just trying to find a good translation.  The last one I found was done back in the early half of the last century by an Englishman.

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 07:09:14 PM »
Is the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) any good?  Just trying to find a good translation.  The last one I found was done back in the early half of the last century by an Englishman.

It's a good academic translation but it's theologically neutral so it's not suitable for liturgical use, for lay Bible study I think it's fine, at least until a modern Orthodox translation is completed.




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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 08:11:44 PM »
It's a good academic translation but it's theologically neutral so it's not suitable for liturgical use,

Could you expand on that? I could see how an academic translation might not be suitable for liturgical use because it's hard to chant, etc. But I would think 'theological neutrality' would always be a strength in a translation (especially if the translators don't share my theology).
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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 08:50:58 PM »
It's a good academic translation but it's theologically neutral so it's not suitable for liturgical use,

Could you expand on that? I could see how an academic translation might not be suitable for liturgical use because it's hard to chant, etc. But I would think 'theological neutrality' would always be a strength in a translation (especially if the translators don't share my theology).

Not always: it translates Genesis 1:2 as "and a divine wind was being carried along over the water," as opposed to "The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water," equally possible linguistically, and correct theologically.  And it doesn't make Creation sound like Jehovah's fart.

Btw, you can check it out:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/01-gen-nets.pdf
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/
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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 05:14:25 AM »
Ya, I saw the "divine wind" passage and decided to pass.

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 07:03:36 PM »
It's a good academic translation but it's theologically neutral so it's not suitable for liturgical use,

Could you expand on that? I could see how an academic translation might not be suitable for liturgical use because it's hard to chant, etc. But I would think 'theological neutrality' would always be a strength in a translation (especially if the translators don't share my theology).

Not always: it translates Genesis 1:2 as "and a divine wind was being carried along over the water," as opposed to "The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water," equally possible linguistically, and correct theologically.  And it doesn't make Creation sound like Jehovah's fart.

Btw, you can check it out:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/01-gen-nets.pdf
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

Yip witega, this is the kinda thing I was referring to, glad I didn't have to post it myself. Sure pneuma can be transalted as "wind" so it's correct academically. But theologically? Divine flatulence? Perhaps the translators are advocates of the "big bang" theory, LOL.
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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 07:44:06 PM »
It's a good academic translation but it's theologically neutral so it's not suitable for liturgical use,

Could you expand on that? I could see how an academic translation might not be suitable for liturgical use because it's hard to chant, etc. But I would think 'theological neutrality' would always be a strength in a translation (especially if the translators don't share my theology).

Not always: it translates Genesis 1:2 as "and a divine wind was being carried along over the water," as opposed to "The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water," equally possible linguistically, and correct theologically.  And it doesn't make Creation sound like Jehovah's fart.

Btw, you can check it out:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/01-gen-nets.pdf
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

Yip witega, this is the kinda thing I was referring to, glad I didn't have to post it myself. Sure pneuma can be transalted as "wind" so it's correct academically. But theologically? Divine flatulence? Perhaps the translators are advocates of the "big bang" theory, LOL.


LOL.  Good one.
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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 07:46:44 PM »
Ya, I saw the "divine wind" passage and decided to pass.
"decided to pass"..... :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 10:41:08 PM »
So many puns!

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 10:35:15 PM »
I have it, and think it's good for what it is. If someone wants an English translation of the Bible actually blessed for use by Orthodox hierarchs, to my knoweldge, the only one out there at this time is the Revised Standard Version with the [Complete] Apocrypha. It's neither the Septuagint, an Orthodox translation, nor is it based on the Orthodox Greek texts, but, for what it is, I think it's good. It reads better, to me at least, than the NETS, which is good if one wants to go more in depth--the NETS will translate various extant Septuaging manuscripts if there are alternate readings.
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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2009, 11:13:24 PM »
Is the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) any good?  Just trying to find a good translation.  The last one I found was done back in the early half of the last century by an Englishman.

The protestant translation I tend to use is this one:

http://septuagint-interlinear-greek-bible.com/OldTestament.pdf (Septuagint - interlinear Bible (Lucian's Rescension) as done by the The Apostolic Bible polyglot)  (I like it because about 90% of the Old Testament quotes you will find in the New Testament will actually match)

http://septuagint-interlinear-greek-bible.com/ (the Apostolic Bible polyglot)


The EOB is looking pretty good:
http://www.orthodox-church.info/eob/


And then, there is always the old protestant Brenton's translation. (about 75% of the Old Testament quotes found in the New Testament will match)



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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 01:09:10 PM »
I keep giving away my Orthodox Study Bibles. I gave away one last year to a Baptist friend, and I bought another one a few days ago, and gave it away to moms. Hopefully I will keep the next one I buy.



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If you change your mind, I won't mind taking it off your hands, LOL. I don't have a copy but I'd love to add the OSB to my collection.

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 04:14:20 PM »
How is the OSB translation of the septuagint compared to what else is out there?

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 04:40:39 PM »
How is the OSB translation of the septuagint compared to what else is out there?

The NETS is just that: A New English Translation of the Septuagint. The OSB (corrected NKJV) often does not accurately or completely reflect the LXX. However, the theological neutrality of the NETS means that the OSB will often be more appropriate for Liturgical use. 

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 05:38:54 PM »
....The OSB (corrected NKJV) often does not accurately or completely reflect the LXX. However, the theological neutrality of the NETS means that the OSB will often be more appropriate for Liturgical use. 
It really is amazing how many entirely different opinions there are about the OSB. Compare with this post on another thread:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,24915.msg390191.html#msg390191

Personally, I'm glad to have the OSB for its readability. The footnotes are brief (and sometimes insultingly superficial) but they serve as a good quick reference and make a starting point for the more serious student. I would like to think that future editions will benefit from comments from us ordinary users. And I was disappointed that such a long list of typographical errors had to be produced.

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Re: Septuagint
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 08:36:15 PM »
I keep giving away my Orthodox Study Bibles. I gave away one last year to a Baptist friend, and I bought another one a few days ago, and gave it away to moms. Hopefully I will keep the next one I buy.



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If you change your mind, I won't mind taking it off your hands, LOL. I don't have a copy but I'd love to add the OSB to my collection.

You never know. I never planned on giving my first one away, but I did, and so, whatever happens, happens.





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