Nutrition and Diet

[JamesRottnek]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

I suppose.

[Νεκτάριος]

That's not to say fresh potatoes is bad, that's not true. I just think people intake too many potatoes and its mostly in the form of greasy french fries and potato chips.

Agreed.  Boil, bake or roast potatoes with their skin on rather than frying them.   

[JamesRottnek]

That's not to say fresh potatoes is bad, that's not true. I just think people intake too many potatoes and its mostly in the form of greasy french fries and potato chips.

Agreed.  Boil, bake or roast potatoes with their skin on rather than frying them.   

Baked and roasted potatoes are some of my favorite foods.

[Achronos]

Lentil Chili tomorrow, can't wait.

[Marc1152]

If potatoes are the worst food that I eat, I don't see a huge problem.  

There is no dairy picture because I usually buy dairy on a separate trip to the market during the week.  Basically we eat meat on the weekends, dairy during the week.  I love local cheeses and making my own kefir.

I make my own sourdough bread, about 90% whole grain rye, 10% whole wheat.  A couple of slices of that with either cheese, творог (Quark according to wiki) or butter is my typical breakfast.  The other sort of staples I might make once or twice a week are brown rice, buckwheat or less often mamaliga (a Romanian corn porridge).  Pickled herring is a typical side dish a couple of times a week.  The only real luxury imported foods that I use are olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  I'd posit that my diet is perfectly healthy and not even close to paleo.        

You should probably read one or two of these books before commenting. The picture you posted is well within what they recommend. But you dont know that because you dont really know what they recommend.

I saw meat with lots of fat content, lots of vegetables no refined foods at all, no candy no sugar and some potatoes. They say 85% compliance is just fine. Now you know.

How old are you?

As I've said before, you've clearly never gathered wild fruit if you believe a basket of fruit is paleo.  Actually everything pictured is the result of agriculture.  Hence I reject the whole paradigm.  

The Russian interwebs are usually pretty decent for finding books to download, but I can't come up with anything from the paleo crowd.  From what I've scanned from google books and amazon, I get the picture.  

I'm 25, btw.    

I unerstand your confusion. You should read one of the Paleo books so you can feel better about all this. In short, the Paleo diet tries to "MIMIC" the diet of hunter gatherers. You are absolutely right that today fruit and vegetables are grown on farms and not gathered in the wild.
Game meat and certain plants that can be gathered do have some nutritional advantages but not so very much that a Paleo diet cant be mimiced without them and with store bought foods.

If you don't have time to read a book than go to their web page and get better oriented to what we mean by The Paleo Diet.

www.thepaleodiet.com

I asked because at your young age eating poorly is easier to accommodate. Poor eating habits ware down insulin receptors and other things and eventually catch up to you.

However, based on what you posted you are eating well within the recommendations of the Paleo Diet and/or Weston Price.  You just dont seem to know it yet.      

[Asteriktos]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

[Aindriú]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

You have to cook them first! 

[vamrat]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

This is crazy talk.  What other vegetable (since that is what I assume a tater is) naturally has butter, brown sugar, and possibly marshmallows already on it?  I think you will find the answer to be 'none'.

[celticfan1888]

If potatoes are the worst food that I eat, I don't see a huge problem. 

There is no dairy picture because I usually buy dairy on a separate trip to the market during the week.  Basically we eat meat on the weekends, dairy during the week.  I love local cheeses and making my own kefir.

I make my own sourdough bread, about 90% whole grain rye, 10% whole wheat.  A couple of slices of that with either cheese, творог (Quark according to wiki) or butter is my typical breakfast.  The other sort of staples I might make once or twice a week are brown rice, buckwheat or less often mamaliga (a Romanian corn porridge).  Pickled herring is a typical side dish a couple of times a week.  The only real luxury imported foods that I use are olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  I'd posit that my diet is perfectly healthy and not even close to paleo.         

You should probably read one or two of these books before commenting. The picture you posted is well within what they recommend. But you dont know that because you dont really know what they recommend.

I saw meat with lots of fat content, lots of vegetables no refined foods at all, no candy no sugar and some potatoes. They say 85% compliance is just fine. Now you know.

How old are you?

As I've said before, you've clearly never gathered wild fruit if you believe a basket of fruit is paleo.  Actually everything pictured is the result of agriculture.  Hence I reject the whole paradigm.   

The Russian interwebs are usually pretty decent for finding books to download, but I can't come up with anything from the paleo crowd.  From what I've scanned from google books and amazon, I get the picture. 

I'm 25, btw.   

Sadly for you, Marc doesn't consider anyone who is under the age of 30, and with atleast 1 child, an adult.

[Marc1152]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

Yeah..That was news to me. White  potatoes, sweet potatoes and yams are three different things not different versions of the same.

White Potatoes is a  "night shade" and I dont think the other two are.

[Marc1152]

If potatoes are the worst food that I eat, I don't see a huge problem. 

There is no dairy picture because I usually buy dairy on a separate trip to the market during the week.  Basically we eat meat on the weekends, dairy during the week.  I love local cheeses and making my own kefir.

I make my own sourdough bread, about 90% whole grain rye, 10% whole wheat.  A couple of slices of that with either cheese, творог (Quark according to wiki) or butter is my typical breakfast.  The other sort of staples I might make once or twice a week are brown rice, buckwheat or less often mamaliga (a Romanian corn porridge).  Pickled herring is a typical side dish a couple of times a week.  The only real luxury imported foods that I use are olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  I'd posit that my diet is perfectly healthy and not even close to paleo.         

You should probably read one or two of these books before commenting. The picture you posted is well within what they recommend. But you dont know that because you dont really know what they recommend.

I saw meat with lots of fat content, lots of vegetables no refined foods at all, no candy no sugar and some potatoes. They say 85% compliance is just fine. Now you know.

How old are you?

As I've said before, you've clearly never gathered wild fruit if you believe a basket of fruit is paleo.  Actually everything pictured is the result of agriculture.  Hence I reject the whole paradigm.   

The Russian interwebs are usually pretty decent for finding books to download, but I can't come up with anything from the paleo crowd.  From what I've scanned from google books and amazon, I get the picture. 

I'm 25, btw.   

Sadly for you, Marc doesn't consider anyone who is under the age of 30, and with atleast 1 child, an adult.

Oh I dont think the child part comes into consideration all that much. But in this case I was not speaking of juvinality but rather the physical effects of age. 

So for example, you are college age if I recall. You could say that you eat any old thing and it has no bad effects. Well Duh, youre 22. However these things tend to ware you down and only until some time later will you get paunchy, tired and diabetic.

[celticfan1888]

If potatoes are the worst food that I eat, I don't see a huge problem. 

There is no dairy picture because I usually buy dairy on a separate trip to the market during the week.  Basically we eat meat on the weekends, dairy during the week.  I love local cheeses and making my own kefir.

I make my own sourdough bread, about 90% whole grain rye, 10% whole wheat.  A couple of slices of that with either cheese, творог (Quark according to wiki) or butter is my typical breakfast.  The other sort of staples I might make once or twice a week are brown rice, buckwheat or less often mamaliga (a Romanian corn porridge).  Pickled herring is a typical side dish a couple of times a week.  The only real luxury imported foods that I use are olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  I'd posit that my diet is perfectly healthy and not even close to paleo.         

You should probably read one or two of these books before commenting. The picture you posted is well within what they recommend. But you dont know that because you dont really know what they recommend.

I saw meat with lots of fat content, lots of vegetables no refined foods at all, no candy no sugar and some potatoes. They say 85% compliance is just fine. Now you know.

How old are you?

As I've said before, you've clearly never gathered wild fruit if you believe a basket of fruit is paleo.  Actually everything pictured is the result of agriculture.  Hence I reject the whole paradigm.   

The Russian interwebs are usually pretty decent for finding books to download, but I can't come up with anything from the paleo crowd.  From what I've scanned from google books and amazon, I get the picture. 

I'm 25, btw.   

Sadly for you, Marc doesn't consider anyone who is under the age of 30, and with atleast 1 child, an adult.

Oh I dont think the child part comes into consideration all that much. But in this case I was not speaking of juvinality but rather the physical effects of age. 

So for example, you are college age if I recall. You could say that you eat any old thing and it has no bad effects. Well Duh, youre 22. However these things tend to ware you down and only until some time later will you get paunchy, tired and diabetic.

I'm a biology major, but hey I have no idea about biology because I'm a child right. And the fact that I'm an athlete and don't/can't eat much junk food, I guess that doesn't matter either. But hey, you know me better than myself.

[Maria]

Pickles are made from cucumbers and those are vegetables.

Cucumbers are in the same family as melons, pumpkins, and squash. These are all considered to be fruits of the vine. In fact, a great summer fruit is watermelon.

Avocados are mistakenly called a vegetable as they are frequently tossed in with lettuce and tomatoes, but they are tree fruits.

Tomatoes are also considered to be fruits, which are very high in Lycopene, carotenoids, and other antioxidants.

Thank you. I learned something! 

You are very welcome. I made the same mistake once before.

What really gets me is how doctors can tell people to avoid eating avocados in order to lower their cholesterol. So, I went to a baptismal party, and a bunch of senior citizens looked dismal as they had to avoid most of the food served. What happened was worse. They were so hungry that they pigged out on super sweet and fatty CAKE. Sheesh.

Avocados have the good type of cholesterol. I stay away from those doctors who want to put me on "statins" and tell me to avoid eating avocados when my diet is already too restricted due to allergies. Besides, avocados satisfy my craving for fatty foods, which I do avoid.

[JamesRottnek]

If potatoes are the worst food that I eat, I don't see a huge problem. 

There is no dairy picture because I usually buy dairy on a separate trip to the market during the week.  Basically we eat meat on the weekends, dairy during the week.  I love local cheeses and making my own kefir.

I make my own sourdough bread, about 90% whole grain rye, 10% whole wheat.  A couple of slices of that with either cheese, творог (Quark according to wiki) or butter is my typical breakfast.  The other sort of staples I might make once or twice a week are brown rice, buckwheat or less often mamaliga (a Romanian corn porridge).  Pickled herring is a typical side dish a couple of times a week.  The only real luxury imported foods that I use are olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  I'd posit that my diet is perfectly healthy and not even close to paleo.         

You should probably read one or two of these books before commenting. The picture you posted is well within what they recommend. But you dont know that because you dont really know what they recommend.

I saw meat with lots of fat content, lots of vegetables no refined foods at all, no candy no sugar and some potatoes. They say 85% compliance is just fine. Now you know.

How old are you?

As I've said before, you've clearly never gathered wild fruit if you believe a basket of fruit is paleo.  Actually everything pictured is the result of agriculture.  Hence I reject the whole paradigm.   

The Russian interwebs are usually pretty decent for finding books to download, but I can't come up with anything from the paleo crowd.  From what I've scanned from google books and amazon, I get the picture. 

I'm 25, btw.   

Sadly for you, Marc doesn't consider anyone who is under the age of 30, and with atleast 1 child, an adult.

Oh I dont think the child part comes into consideration all that much. But in this case I was not speaking of juvinality but rather the physical effects of age. 

So for example, you are college age if I recall. You could say that you eat any old thing and it has no bad effects. Well Duh, youre 22. However these things tend to ware you down and only until some time later will you get paunchy, tired and diabetic.

This is a rather odd view, given reality and all.

[Achronos]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

I love you.

[Maria]

This is a rather odd view, given reality and all.

The one-liner above is extremely odd.

Reality?

If we were to return to the diet of our ancesters and forget the fast food, we all would be healthier, wiser, and much more calm and reasonable.

[Maria]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

I love you.

Sweet potatoes are naturally sweet and packed full of nutrients. I was reading somewhere that some monks live almost exclusively on them. It is my opinion that sweet potatoes resemble squash in taste, so I suppose that one could make sweet potato bread, by substituting sweet potatoes for pumpkin.

[Asteriktos]

The attacks on the magnificent potato in this thread is disturbing, and the attempted promotion of sweet potatoes by these hairy-armed dissidents even more so.

[Achronos]

Um what? Both potatoes and sweet potatoes are starches. SPs do have more properties though.

lET'S BE REAL UP IN THIS HOUZE, sWEET POTATOES DON'T DESERVE THE NAME sWEET POTATO--THEY AIN'T EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

I love you.

Sweet potatoes are naturally sweet and packed full of nutrients. I was reading somewhere that many monks live almost exclusively on them.

Yeah it's a pretty complex carbohydrate.

I also must agree with you again on the fast food bit. One of the worst parts about it are the portion sizes people eat. The people who would supersize their means would gain 75% more calories than a regular portion. And those hidden costs of heatlh problems from weight gain added about 190% to the overall cost of the meal. The USDA put out an estimate saying if you put added healthcare costs from obesity, it would be $70 billion a year.

You just have to be extremely careful when eating fast food while being healthy. I think that movie Supersize Me was a little dishonest because Morgan ate about 5,000 calories per day, and I've seen people make way more intelligent choices than he did, while eating fast food and lose weight. There's just too many calories at fast food places for me.

I mostly stick to a strict Mediterranean diet and cook food all the time.

[Maria]

The attacks on the magnificent potato in this thread is disturbing, and the attempted promotion of sweet potatoes by these hairy-armed dissidents even more so.

Yes, the magnificent russet and red potatoes. I can enjoy almost any variety (over 200, I have been told).

However, the lowly sweet potato remains illusive, as I am allergic to it.
Nevertheless, hairy monks have been known to survive on them as they are easily grown.

[JamesRottnek]

The attacks on the magnificent potato in this thread is disturbing, and the attempted promotion of sweet potatoes by these hairy-armed dissidents even more so.

Yes, the magnificent russet and red potatoes. I can enjoy almost any variety (over 200, I have been told).

Finally the schismatic and I agree.

[Aindriú]

The attacks on the magnificent potato in this thread is disturbing, and the attempted promotion of sweet potatoes by these hairy-armed dissidents even more so.

Yes, the magnificent russet and red potatoes. I can enjoy almost any variety (over 200, I have been told).

Finally the schismatic and I agree.

[Maria]

Notice how the guy just flips his fingers and a piece of popcorn instantly materializes.

Magic?

Well, the popcorn sold at many establishments is junk food that is loaded with salt, food additives, and trans-fatty acids. Definitely not magic for your heart or body.

[Asteriktos]

Some of you people would try to make even a plate of bbq pork ribs unappetizing. Crazy. 

[Maria]

Some of you people would try to make even a plate of bbq pork ribs unappetizing. Crazy.  

Well, if pork is improperly handled and not cooked to the proper temperatures, there could be the possibility of E.coli contamination as well as worms. Could make you quite sick.

One must have faith, and not forget the blessing before and after meals.

[Aindriú]

Some of you people would try to make even a plate of bbq pork ribs unappetizing. Crazy.  

Well, if pork is improperly handled and not cooked to the proper temperatures, there could be the possibility of E.coli contamination as well as worms. Could make you quite sick.

One must have faith, and not forget the blessing before and after meals.

And a stove will burn you. Moral of the story. Don't be retarded.

[orthonorm]

On the humble potato.

Vitamin and mineral rich with a ton of protein.

[Maria]

On the humble potato.

Vitamin and mineral rich with a ton of protein.

Gonna get some spuds and make them mashed.

I like the French term for potatoes literally translated: "apples of the earth."
Have you ever eaten a raw potato? It does taste somewhat like an apple.

[Asteriktos]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef? 

[JamesRottnek]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef? 

That looks really good.

[Maria]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef?  

That looks really good.

I am sure that it smells great while cooking. Cough. Cough. Cough.
And that it is loaded with MSG and other flavor enhancing ingredients.

Hey, did you know that Parmesan cheese, because it is aged, is a natural source of MSG?

[biro]

Wow... I had no idea. 

[orthonorm]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef? 

That looks really good.

I am sure that it smell great while cooking. Cough. Cough. Cough.
And that it is loaded with MSG and other flavor enhancing ingredients.

Hey, did you know that Parmesan cheese, because it is aged, is a natural source of MSG?

AWESOME!

Unfortunately, I don't think most Americans are eating much real parm.

[Asteriktos]

That looks really good.

Tastes good as well... I prefer the Stouffers TV dinners, but it's about the same price with about 33% less food, so...  

I am sure that it smell great while cooking. Cough. Cough. Cough.
And that it is loaded with MSG and other flavor enhancing ingredients.

Hey, did you know that Parmesan cheese, because it is aged, is a natural source of MSG?

My food budget works out to about $7.50 a day. There isn't much "real" food that I like that fits into that budget. But I do take donations  

[Achronos]

My lunch costs $.35 a day.

Beat that Asteriktos!

[Aindriú]

My lunch costs $.35 a day.

Beat that Asteriktos!

Ramen?

[Asteriktos]

I don't think I can ... is that good or bad?    I think the ramen noodles I often eat costs like 22¢, but I also usually have a half dozen crackers with it, which probably pushes it over 35¢.

[Achronos]

My lunch costs $.35 a day.

Beat that Asteriktos!

Ramen?

Actually a sandwich and a piece of fruit.

But most of the time I have leftovers so...

[celticfan1888]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef? 

No lie, looks gross. lol

[celticfan1888]

What I am craving:

[PeterTheAleut]

What I am craving:

Blech! You can have your stinking lutefisk!

[JamesRottnek]

What I am craving:

What I am craving:

[PeterTheAleut]

I'm also having potatoes tonight... in my Hungry Man dinner...



What better meal to eat while watching Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef? 

No lie, looks gross. lol

puke!

[Maria]

There is always some one who will post pictures of meat (no matter how gross) on the first day of a fast.
Yes, today is the beginning of the Apostles Fast.

[PeterTheAleut]

There is always some one who will post pictures of meat (no matter how gross) on the first day of a fast.
Yes, today is the beginning of the Apostles Fast.

However, bulimia is not an acceptable way of fasting.

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