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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1350 on: September 20, 2013, 02:11:57 PM »
I really wish all Popeye's were consistent with food quality.

I'm telling you their commercials look so mouth watery and when you get the food it tastes nothing like what's on TV.

Except there have been a few timed when its extremely good.

Shouldn't happen. Chains are supposed to have things regularized, so that it should taste the same from day to day, or from state to state for that matter.

But then Popeye always was a hard one to understand.
Chains do regularize, but the people and managment make or break the place.  Doesn't matter what restaurant.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1351 on: September 20, 2013, 02:12:00 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1352 on: September 20, 2013, 02:12:00 PM »
Actually pizzerias on top of each other
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1353 on: September 20, 2013, 02:28:29 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Being too thin is not a great idea, either.  If you get sick, especially with a wasting disease, you will vanish far more quickly than a chubby hobbit.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1354 on: September 20, 2013, 02:29:05 PM »
Actually pizzerias on top of each other

Wow!!  Got pics?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1355 on: September 20, 2013, 02:30:13 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1356 on: September 20, 2013, 03:00:17 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.

Is that paleo-meth or neo-meth?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1357 on: September 20, 2013, 03:01:33 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1358 on: September 20, 2013, 03:12:19 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.

Next stop, the tutu!

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1359 on: September 20, 2013, 03:48:43 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.

Next stop, the tutu!



Despite rooting for the wrong church and spouting nonsense from time to time, he looks quite svelte.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1360 on: September 20, 2013, 03:51:25 PM »
A methamphetamine diet works to get that sexy anorexic ballerina look that so many people admire.

Next stop, the tutu!



Despite rooting for the wrong church and spouting nonsense from time to time, he looks quite svelte.

Well, he's not a hobbit, you know  ::).
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1361 on: September 20, 2013, 04:01:47 PM »
I'm sure he uses appropriately sized doors.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1362 on: September 20, 2013, 04:12:34 PM »
I'm sure he uses appropriately sized doors.

 :o :o :o
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1363 on: September 20, 2013, 04:46:39 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Being too thin is not a great idea, either.  If you get sick, especially with a wasting disease, you will vanish far more quickly than a chubby hobbit.
Well I am naturally thin. Howvmever my consumption of carbs ballooned my gut weight and facial weight, it was just unhealthy. I was sort of skinny fat.

Marcs diet was really fast weight reduction but I have integrated other things in my diet that it lacks now.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1364 on: September 20, 2013, 06:31:18 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Try eating.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1365 on: September 20, 2013, 09:25:30 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Being too thin is not a great idea, either.  If you get sick, especially with a wasting disease, you will vanish far more quickly than a chubby hobbit.
Well I am naturally thin. Howvmever my consumption of carbs ballooned my gut weight and facial weight, it was just unhealthy. I was sort of skinny fat.

Marcs diet was really fast weight reduction but I have integrated other things in my diet that it lacks now.

You lost water. Period.

That's it. Maybe a little fat and lean tissue. Probably more of the latter than the former.

Been doing this longer than marc been yammering about it and know people who've been doing it for longer than he has been alive.

The amount of water weight you carry on a carb heavy diet can seem staggering to those who have never cut for real before.

marc is arguably the worst advocate I've have ever heard for eating this way "permanently" ever. Then again, most places where I discussed this with other, the folks had knowledge and experience about physical change. They weren't concerned about the vanities of a "wheat belly".

marc you ever squatted 2.5 times your body weight? Then went out and ran an easy sub 18 minute 5k and wrestled a few men into the dirt before having your first cigarette of the day?

Then we'll talk about how paleo you are then. Till then, keep at the make believe.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1366 on: September 20, 2013, 09:26:04 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Try eating.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1367 on: September 21, 2013, 05:51:53 AM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Try eating.
I don't eat on the weekends.

My lunch consists now of just a sandwich, apple sauce or a fruit cup and chips.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1368 on: September 21, 2013, 05:51:53 AM »
ortho, this guy is your hero:

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He eats almost nothing but Big Macs, except on Sundays, when his wife cooks and he sits down to a family dinner.

Interestingly enough, Rosenlof actually eats 700 calories fewer than the average American man on a typical day, and doesn't have high cholesterol.

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He's a man of habits; on Monday he eats one Big Mac, two on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, two on Thursday, one or two on Friday and two on Saturday. That's about 10 Big Macs every week.

Dennis Rosenlof, 64-Year-Old Man, Has Eaten 12,000 Big Macs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/dennis-rosenlof_n_3942184.html

He's actually healthy and no issues.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1369 on: September 21, 2013, 10:00:28 AM »
ortho, this guy is your hero:

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He eats almost nothing but Big Macs, except on Sundays, when his wife cooks and he sits down to a family dinner.

Interestingly enough, Rosenlof actually eats 700 calories fewer than the average American man on a typical day, and doesn't have high cholesterol.

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He's a man of habits; on Monday he eats one Big Mac, two on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, two on Thursday, one or two on Friday and two on Saturday. That's about 10 Big Macs every week.

Dennis Rosenlof, 64-Year-Old Man, Has Eaten 12,000 Big Macs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/dennis-rosenlof_n_3942184.html

He's actually healthy and no issues.
He also never eats any of the fries or the other products.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1370 on: September 21, 2013, 11:44:45 AM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Try eating.
I don't eat on the weekends.

My lunch consists now of just a sandwich, apple sauce or a fruit cup and chips.

Are you trying to eat like a first grader to get to the size of one?

What adult eats a "fruit cup'?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1371 on: September 21, 2013, 02:12:06 PM »
Most all diets begin with loss of water weight. However on a Low Carb High Fat Diet you can easily tell when you are past that point. You can test for the presence of Ketones in your system with a simple keto stick that you can by at any pharmacy that you urinate on. It turns dark if ketones are present.

The theory is this. You either have a metabolism that burns sugar ( glucose) for energy or you have a fat burning metabolism that burns the fat you eat and the fat you have stored for energy. A fat burning metabolism is more natural and far healthier.

Eating too many cheap carbs and sugary foods which is usual in the Standard American Diet ( S.A.D.) you have a sugar burning metabolism. if you cut the carbs way down you eventually switch to fat burning, using the ketones produced as your primary source of fuel.. Your body will like burning ketones and nearly every function will improve. 

Here is a terrific lecture by Nora Gedgaudas

 — The 'Holy Grail' of Primal Health: Benefits of a Fat-Based Caloric Intake for Body and Brain
 

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1372 on: September 21, 2013, 02:17:23 PM »
Lol this adult.

It's cheap and tastes good. I like the left over juice.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1373 on: September 21, 2013, 02:25:18 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1374 on: September 21, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1375 on: September 21, 2013, 04:05:26 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
A low fiber diet has its own problems.

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« Reply #1376 on: September 21, 2013, 04:18:02 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1377 on: September 21, 2013, 04:30:49 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
A low fiber diet has its own problems.

Low/no-carb diets tend to be low fibre as well.

If we were to go really primitive, we would eat anything that didn't run away faster than we could follow. Including plants. They may not have had bread in the Stone Age, but I bet there was no rationing of fruits, when they were available. We are omnivores by nature. Our teeth prove it.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1378 on: September 21, 2013, 04:33:43 PM »
I guess Marc never read my post.

But yeah his diet worked pretty well. Now I'm rail thin, instead of just being skinny

What post?
I think it was a thread. I'll have to get it later.

I lost 15 lbs so far.

Try eating.
I don't eat on the weekends.

My lunch consists now of just a sandwich, apple sauce or a fruit cup and chips.

Dang bro. How much do you weigh? 120?

I try and eat something with a chicken breast every lunch and dinner and add other stuff that looks high in protein (beans, pizzas, chilis, hamburgers, etc.). I'm still at 145ish though because I'm not dedicated enough to it.

I should take advantage of the fact that I know a Papa John's guy who gives me anything I want for free, but I just hate their food.
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« Reply #1379 on: September 21, 2013, 04:53:24 PM »
Dang bro. How much do you weigh? 120?
I'm hovering around 144-ish? Maybe less now I haven't weighed since I went to the doc for my ear.

Chicken breast sounds pretty good, I like cooking it in olive oil and salt the hell out of it.

We pretty much weigh the same then, unless of course you are taller than me which you would have a 85% of being.

I don't go to Papa John's because the owner is an ******* to his own employees and the healthcare thing really magnified it.

But I do love their garlic dipping sauce for the pizza.

But since I'm in Pittsburgh, I got every pizza you could ever want.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1380 on: September 21, 2013, 05:29:28 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1381 on: September 21, 2013, 06:00:44 PM »
Dang bro. How much do you weigh? 120?
I'm hovering around 144-ish? Maybe less now I haven't weighed since I went to the doc for my ear.

Chicken breast sounds pretty good, I like cooking it in olive oil and salt the hell out of it.

We pretty much weigh the same then, unless of course you are taller than me which you would have a 85% of being.

I don't go to Papa John's because the owner is an ******* to his own employees and the healthcare thing really magnified it.

But I do love their garlic dipping sauce for the pizza.

But since I'm in Pittsburgh, I got every pizza you could ever want.

John Schnatter has done more for my community than you will ever do for anyone's.

It's a shame his pizza just tastes so bad.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1382 on: September 21, 2013, 06:05:01 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?

It doesn't matter.

I'm not saying everyone should get on the Atkins diet. I'm just saying that Atkins dying the most fit and healthy 120 year old wouldn't prove his ideas right, and him dying from 27 problems that can be linked to diet wouldn't disprove his ideas.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1383 on: September 21, 2013, 06:51:25 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?

It doesn't matter.

I'm not saying everyone should get on the Atkins diet. I'm just saying that Atkins dying the most fit and healthy 120 year old wouldn't prove his ideas right, and him dying from 27 problems that can be linked to diet wouldn't disprove his ideas.
I don't see it. If heart disease can be linked to a high fat low fiber diet, then why doesn't it matter?

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1384 on: September 21, 2013, 07:19:58 PM »
I don't see it. If heart disease can be linked to a high fat low fiber diet, then why doesn't it matter?

What demonstrates this link? Certainly not what happens to a single individual. Bring out a study that tracks thousands or hundreds of thousands of people --
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1385 on: September 21, 2013, 07:57:36 PM »
I don't see it. If heart disease can be linked to a high fat low fiber diet, then why doesn't it matter?

What demonstrates this link? Certainly not what happens to a single individual. Bring out a study that tracks thousands or hundreds of thousands of people --
What are the diseases associated with a low fiber diet?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1386 on: September 22, 2013, 06:29:10 AM »
Dang bro. How much do you weigh? 120?
I'm hovering around 144-ish? Maybe less now I haven't weighed since I went to the doc for my ear.

Chicken breast sounds pretty good, I like cooking it in olive oil and salt the hell out of it.

We pretty much weigh the same then, unless of course you are taller than me which you would have a 85% of being.

I don't go to Papa John's because the owner is an ******* to his own employees and the healthcare thing really magnified it.

But I do love their garlic dipping sauce for the pizza.

But since I'm in Pittsburgh, I got every pizza you could ever want.

John Schnatter has done more for my community than you will ever do for anyone's.

It's a shame his pizza just tastes so bad.
What has he done?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1387 on: September 22, 2013, 06:29:10 AM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?
Dude you can say that about anything.

But what information did the cardiologist not have where he/she made the wrong diagnosis?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1388 on: September 22, 2013, 05:11:09 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!


Actually the biggest and longest running randomized studies like the Framingham Heart Study found no link what so ever between dietary fat and heart disease. The lead researcher said fear of fat is a "persistent myth"..

The Science that first indicated fat caused heart disease was never very solid. Today we have study after study that overturns this false idea.

For example, the study that got the whole thing started was the "Six Nation  Study" done by the Famous Bio-Chemnist Ansel Keys ( K Rations in WW 2 were named after him..)=

His study showed a direct correlation between high fat consumption in Six Countries and increased heart disease. The graph was almost straight up. The more people that ate a high fat diet, the higher the rate of heat disease.. This study was really central to what is called the "Heart Lipid Theory" of heart disease..

Just one little problem.... He faked the results. Dr. Keys didnt have data on just six countires, he studied 22 countries, and guess what. In some places the population ate lots of fat and had high heart disease but in other places they also ate lots of fat but had low rates of heart disease. In other countries people ate low fat diets but still had high rates of heart disease and in other place the reverse. LOL

So Keys simply threw out the data that didnt fit his agenda and only published the data from the six countries that did..

Recently researchers revisited the same countries and the data reconfirmed that there is absolutely no data correlating high fat consumption and heart disease..of any kind.

Funny stuff

Here is a cute video about it:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1389 on: September 22, 2013, 08:18:06 PM »
Dang bro. How much do you weigh? 120?
I'm hovering around 144-ish? Maybe less now I haven't weighed since I went to the doc for my ear.

Chicken breast sounds pretty good, I like cooking it in olive oil and salt the hell out of it.

We pretty much weigh the same then, unless of course you are taller than me which you would have a 85% of being.

I don't go to Papa John's because the owner is an ******* to his own employees and the healthcare thing really magnified it.

But I do love their garlic dipping sauce for the pizza.

But since I'm in Pittsburgh, I got every pizza you could ever want.

John Schnatter has done more for my community than you will ever do for anyone's.

It's a shame his pizza just tastes so bad.
What has he done?

If you emptied the average American's trash can into the middle of my street, you will have done a lot for my community.

Thanks.

Papa John's is the worst. Almost as bad as Scotland.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1390 on: September 22, 2013, 08:21:21 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?
Dude you can say that about anything.

But what information did the cardiologist not have where he/she made the wrong diagnosis?

No, you cannot say that about anything. Take for example, the Pythagorean theorem. Once the theorem has been diagnosed as proven, it is always correct. It is never false in Euclidean geometry.
In this particular case, the cardiologist said his death was due to an infection. But I thought that cardiologists were experts in diagnosing heart problems, not infections. I heard that there have  been cases when doctors gave incorrect diagnoses when working outside of their field of expertise.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1391 on: September 22, 2013, 08:22:39 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?
Dude you can say that about anything.

But what information did the cardiologist not have where he/she made the wrong diagnosis?

No, you cannot say that about anything. Take for example, the Pythagorean theorem. Once the theorem has been diagnosed as proven, it is always correct. It is never false in Euclidean geometry.
In this particular case, the cardiologist said his death was due to an infection. But I thought that cardiologists were experts in diagnosing heart problems, not infections. I heard that there have  been cases when doctors gave incorrect diagnoses when working outside of their field of expertise.

This post shows you don't understand much about either geometry, cardiovascular disease, or American.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1392 on: September 22, 2013, 08:25:32 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!


Actually the biggest and longest running randomized studies like the Framingham Heart Study found no link what so ever between dietary fat and heart disease. The lead researcher said fear of fat is a "persistent myth"..

The Science that first indicated fat caused heart disease was never very solid. Today we have study after study that overturns this false idea.

For example, the study that got the whole thing started was the "Six Nation  Study" done by the Famous Bio-Chemnist Ansel Keys ( K Rations in WW 2 were named after him..)=

His study showed a direct correlation between high fat consumption in Six Countries and increased heart disease. The graph was almost straight up. The more people that ate a high fat diet, the higher the rate of heat disease.. This study was really central to what is called the "Heart Lipid Theory" of heart disease..

Just one little problem.... He faked the results. Dr. Keys didnt have data on just six countires, he studied 22 countries, and guess what. In some places the population ate lots of fat and had high heart disease but in other places they also ate lots of fat but had low rates of heart disease. In other countries people ate low fat diets but still had high rates of heart disease and in other place the reverse. LOL

So Keys simply threw out the data that didnt fit his agenda and only published the data from the six countries that did..

Recently researchers revisited the same countries and the data reconfirmed that there is absolutely no data correlating high fat consumption and heart disease..of any kind.

Funny stuff

Here is a cute video about it:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
Here is an abstract from a recent journal article on fats and heart disease:
J Intern Med. 2012 Jul;272(1):13-24. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2796.2012.02553.x.

Dietary fats and coronary heart disease.

Willett WC.


Source

Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA. walter.willett@channing.harvard.edu


Abstract


The relation of dietary fat to risk of coronary heart disease (CHD) has been studied extensively using many approaches, including controlled feeding studies with surrogate end-points such as plasma lipids, limited randomized trials and large cohort studies. All lines of evidence indicate that specific dietary fatty acids play important roles in the cause and the prevention of CHD, but total fat as a percent of energy is unimportant. Trans fatty acids from partially hydrogenated vegetable oils have clear adverse effects and should be eliminated. Modest reductions in CHD rates by further decreases in saturated fat are possible if saturated fat is replaced by a combination of poly- and mono-unsaturated fat, and the benefits of polyunsaturated fat appear strongest. However, little or no benefit is likely if saturated fat is replaced by carbohydrate, but this will in part depend on the form of carbohydrate. Because both N-6 and N-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids are essential and reduce risk of heart disease, the ratio of N-6 to N-3 is not useful and can be misleading. In practice, reducing red meat and dairy products in a food supply and increasing intakes of nuts, fish, soy products and nonhydrogenated vegetable oils will improve the mix of fatty acids and have a markedly beneficial effect on rates of CHD.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1393 on: September 22, 2013, 08:29:26 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?
Dude you can say that about anything.

But what information did the cardiologist not have where he/she made the wrong diagnosis?

No, you cannot say that about anything. Take for example, the Pythagorean theorem. Once the theorem has been diagnosed as proven, it is always correct. It is never false in Euclidean geometry.
In this particular case, the cardiologist said his death was due to an infection. But I thought that cardiologists were experts in diagnosing heart problems, not infections. I heard that there have  been cases when doctors gave incorrect diagnoses when working outside of their field of expertise.

This post shows you don't understand much about either geometry, cardiovascular disease, or American.
It may be true that you have a whole lot better understanding of these things than I do. However, it is also true that many American doctors have given diagnoses that later on prove to be deficient in one way or another. 

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1394 on: September 22, 2013, 08:32:28 PM »
Ah, high fat diets. Telling people what they want to hear. And resulting in thousands of heart attacks every year. Because as all the reputable doctors say, get really fat!

Considering Atkins died of a heart attack himself, I'm amazed anyone still follows his model.
Actually it was because of an infection which had nothing to do with his diet.

Ask his cardiologist. He had a healthy cardiovascular system even in his 70s.
That's what his cardiologist said, but are the diagnoses by cardiologists always correct?
Dude you can say that about anything.

But what information did the cardiologist not have where he/she made the wrong diagnosis?

No, you cannot say that about anything. Take for example, the Pythagorean theorem. Once the theorem has been diagnosed as proven, it is always correct. It is never false in Euclidean geometry.
In this particular case, the cardiologist said his death was due to an infection. But I thought that cardiologists were experts in diagnosing heart problems, not infections. I heard that there have  been cases when doctors gave incorrect diagnoses when working outside of their field of expertise.

This post shows you don't understand much about either geometry, cardiovascular disease, or American.
It may be true that you have a whole lot better understanding of these things than I do. However, it is also true that many American doctors have given diagnoses that later on prove to be deficient in one way or another. 

Once I took a drink of coffee and spat it out cause it was orange juice. But just for a second, it was in fact coffee.

Draw your own conclusions.
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