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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1125 on: February 04, 2013, 01:17:26 PM »
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1126 on: February 04, 2013, 01:37:25 PM »
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I bet Lent is Very Much Not Fun for them. :P
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1127 on: February 04, 2013, 02:57:21 PM »
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I bet Lent is Very Much Not Fun for them. :P

Actually there is a thread about it.

Some compromises are hard to avoid but all in all it can be done
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1128 on: February 04, 2013, 04:26:16 PM »
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I bet Lent is Very Much Not Fun for them. :P

Actually there is a thread about it.

Some compromises are hard to avoid but all in all it can be done

During fasting time two diets need to be balanced, Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) / Weston Price.. and the Fasting rules.

For LCHF you eliminate all sugar and wheat and most grains and vegetable oils and highly refined junk food..

For the fast you eliminate meat, dairy, fish except on occasion, olive oil except on occasion.

What is left: Vegetables, Sweet Potato's or White Potatoes, COFFEE, teas, fruit, coconut oil ( high in fat), fish oil supplements, and Lentin seafood like shrimp, mussels, squid,crab etc.

I have needed to add back in something like brown rice and I eat lots of Yams. I eat figs when I get hungry and if I need more I eat grits ( corn mush) or potentially Oatmeal but I havent needed to just yet.

Compromises should be things not sugar and not Wheat.. So if you need to fall back, rise or Oats is better.

That's plenty, especially if you use coconut oil generously as it gives you enough fat to burn. I make a tea with hot water and a large spoonful of coconut oil. It's greasy and gross but it keeps you from getting too hungry. I also give in to Margarine but I try to get the kind that they jack up with Omega 3's.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1129 on: February 04, 2013, 04:30:20 PM »
And here is how you can beat the Ice Cream Jones.

Heavy Cream.. I go through lots of Heavy Cream. Half and half wont do. If you want an Ice Cream-like desert you can pour Cream over berries. If you need it sweeter use Splenda or Stevia... It's the butter fat you will like.. The sugar is secondary and can be substituted for .

Eat cream and berries or fruit every night and you will be able to break up with Ben and Jerry.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1130 on: February 04, 2013, 05:11:37 PM »
Thanks for listing the various foods during the fast, Marc. Appreciate that.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1131 on: February 04, 2013, 05:40:02 PM »
And here is how you can beat the Ice Cream Jones.

Heavy Cream.. I go through lots of Heavy Cream. Half and half wont do. If you want an Ice Cream-like desert you can pour Cream over berries. If you need it sweeter use Splenda or Stevia... It's the butter fat you will like.. The sugar is secondary and can be substituted for .

Eat cream and berries or fruit every night and you will be able to break up with Ben and Jerry.

One: Me and Ben & Jerry have a lifelong romance. Neither wants to break up.

Two: Splenda? Stevia? Are you advocating carcinogens now?

Three: Don't you ever switch off the evangelism? It's beyond tedious by now.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1132 on: February 04, 2013, 06:13:41 PM »
I've seen no evidence stevia is a carcinogen. It's not an artificial sweetener. That said, people who cut out wheat have increased sensitivity to sweetness and don't need a lot of sweetener (if they want something sweet without sugar--that is the sugar not in whole fruit, which comes with fiber).
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1133 on: February 04, 2013, 06:21:25 PM »
If God wants me to be healthy then why does Walmart keep selling me donuts at $1.50 for a half dozen?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1134 on: February 04, 2013, 06:50:38 PM »
I've seen no evidence stevia is a carcinogen. It's not an artificial sweetener.

If you have it straight for the plant, fine. But the stevia you're sold is processed, and the jury is out on how that processing affects the long-term influence of the substance.

Non-sugar sweeteners are also linked to diabetes, as the sweetness triggers the pancreas to produce insulin to deal with sugar that isn't there. (Diabetes is, as well, linked to pancreatic cancer, although the evidence is not conclusive yet.)

Really, the healthiest options are using good honest real sugar - and before I moved to the UK I had no idea how much better cane sugar is to beet sugar; demerara rules! - or going completely unsweetened.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1135 on: February 04, 2013, 06:51:23 PM »
If God wants me to be healthy then why does Walmart keep selling me donuts at $1.50 for a half dozen?

Free will?

Also, Walmart is teh evolz. :D
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1136 on: February 04, 2013, 07:20:03 PM »
And here is how you can beat the Ice Cream Jones.

Heavy Cream.. I go through lots of Heavy Cream. Half and half wont do. If you want an Ice Cream-like desert you can pour Cream over berries. If you need it sweeter use Splenda or Stevia... It's the butter fat you will like.. The sugar is secondary and can be substituted for .

Eat cream and berries or fruit every night and you will be able to break up with Ben and Jerry.

One: Me and Ben & Jerry have a lifelong romance. Neither wants to break up.

Two: Splenda? Stevia? Are you advocating carcinogens now?

Three: Don't you ever switch off the evangelism? It's beyond tedious by now.

To Splenda or not to Splenda is a big question. Sugar is a clear danger and is ubiquitous. If you need Splenda to break a Sugar habit then I would go for it.But that's just me. So far Splenda and Stevia have not been shown to be carcinogens, but I would agree that they are candidates. 

Stevia is the best choice.

Too much Ben a Jerry's for too long and you may need to take a shot a couple times per day  :)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1137 on: February 04, 2013, 07:30:42 PM »
Too much Ben a Jerry's for too long and you may need to take a shot a couple times per day  :)

There are other options between 'too much for too long' and 'none at all'. ;)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1138 on: February 05, 2013, 03:09:33 AM »
And here is how you can beat the Ice Cream Jones.

Heavy Cream.. I go through lots of Heavy Cream. Half and half wont do. If you want an Ice Cream-like desert you can pour Cream over berries. If you need it sweeter use Splenda or Stevia... It's the butter fat you will like.. The sugar is secondary and can be substituted for .

Eat cream and berries or fruit every night and you will be able to break up with Ben and Jerry.

One: Me and Ben & Jerry have a lifelong romance. Neither wants to break up.

Two: Splenda? Stevia? Are you advocating carcinogens now?

Three: Don't you ever switch off the evangelism? It's beyond tedious by now.

To Splenda or not to Splenda is a big question. Sugar is a clear danger and is ubiquitous. If you need Splenda to break a Sugar habit then I would go for it.But that's just me. So far Splenda and Stevia have not been shown to be carcinogens, but I would agree that they are candidates. 

Stevia is the best choice.

Too much Ben a Jerry's for too long and you may need to take a shot a couple times per day  :)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1139 on: February 05, 2013, 12:42:56 PM »
Too much Ben a Jerry's for too long and you may need to take a shot a couple times per day  :)

There are other options between 'too much for too long' and 'none at all'. ;)

Moderation in all things is a good idea IMHO.

In this specific example though, the effect depends on your overall diet.

If you are eating a Low Carb High Fat type diet then the effect of just having a little Ice Cream is rather profound.  Here is why.

Your body can use three things for it's fuel 1. Sugar 2. Alcohol 3. Fat. The theory is that a fat burning metabolism is the most natural. You burn fat that you eat and also ( and here is the good news) and stored fat from your belly, thighs etc.  

A fat burning metabolism is referred to as "Ketongenic", you can access your own stored fat and use it as fuel. But to access your own fat stores you must get around the Sugar you have in your system. Your body will opt for the sugar before it will opt for the fat because in a natural setting sweet things were used for quick energy, a boost. Ever notice how young kids who have nice pristine insulin receptors spin like a top when they are given sugar? Your body is not designed to run on sugar as it's primary fuel 24-7.

So if you are in a Ketogenic metabolism and you eat some Ice Cream, you will drop out of Ketosis immediately and it will take about two weeks of strict eating to get you back to fat burning..

If you are already running yourself on a sugar metabolism you will just add something to your insulin load.Sugar also highly inflammatory and is a primary suspect in heart disease..


Here is another really good  You tube by a leading Physician in this field Dr. Stephen Phinny M.D. Phd. as I recall he addresses what happens if you slip and eat birthday cake etc. Not long. Very informative:

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1140 on: February 05, 2013, 01:56:33 PM »
Stevia is the best choice.

Maybe not.....  Stevia made me break out in hives, I had large red welts all over my chest and arms.  I wouldn't touch it again for the world.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1141 on: July 21, 2013, 02:34:42 PM »
If God wants me to be healthy then why does Walmart keep selling me donuts at $1.50 for a half dozen?

Free will?

Also, Walmart is teh evolz. :D

I just ate a nutty buddy bar. Well, two come in the package, so I guess I actually ate two.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1142 on: July 21, 2013, 07:56:31 PM »
I'm going to do GOMAD. *, orthonorm, do you approve?
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1143 on: July 22, 2013, 10:02:53 AM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1144 on: August 21, 2013, 12:06:25 PM »
My contribution to the "science" of nutrition:

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1145 on: August 21, 2013, 12:12:51 PM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.

Yes, you can.  No, they didn't.  Or if they did, they lifted the ban.  Just one product of many available: http://www.nowfoods.com/Stevia-Extract-Packets-100-packets-per-box.htm
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1146 on: August 21, 2013, 12:14:52 PM »
My contribution to the "science" of nutrition:



Indeed---pyramids have been scientifically proven to supply all essential and yummy nutrients that an asterisk would ever need.  They must, however, be carefully chewed, allowing for much mastication.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1147 on: August 21, 2013, 12:16:33 PM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.

Yes, you can.  No, they didn't.  Or if they did, they lifted the ban.  Just one product of many available: http://www.nowfoods.com/Stevia-Extract-Packets-100-packets-per-box.htm

Trader Joes also has pure Organic Stevia in tiny bottles with a tiny scoop.
You gotta watch those packets as they often contain other ingredients.
Bottom line: read the labels and get the pure unadulterated stuff.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1148 on: August 21, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.

Yes, you can.  No, they didn't.  Or if they did, they lifted the ban.  Just one product of many available: http://www.nowfoods.com/Stevia-Extract-Packets-100-packets-per-box.htm

Trader Joes also has pure Organic Stevia in tiny bottles with a tiny scoop.
You gotta watch those packets as they often contain other ingredients.
Bottom line: read the labels and get the pure unadulterated stuff.

Like paper.  While it is a form of fiber, it's generally not recommended for human consumption. ;D
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1149 on: August 21, 2013, 12:26:21 PM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.

Yes, you can.  No, they didn't.  Or if they did, they lifted the ban.  Just one product of many available: http://www.nowfoods.com/Stevia-Extract-Packets-100-packets-per-box.htm

Trader Joes also has pure Organic Stevia in tiny bottles with a tiny scoop.
You gotta watch those packets as they often contain other ingredients.
Bottom line: read the labels and get the pure unadulterated stuff.

Like paper.  While it is a form of fiber, it's generally not recommended for human consumption. ;D

That too! Paper with its added chemicals doesn't taste all that good. ::)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1150 on: August 21, 2013, 12:34:06 PM »
Can you even buy Stevia legally in the US? I thought the FDA banned it.

Yes, you can.  No, they didn't.  Or if they did, they lifted the ban.  Just one product of many available: http://www.nowfoods.com/Stevia-Extract-Packets-100-packets-per-box.htm

Trader Joes also has pure Organic Stevia in tiny bottles with a tiny scoop.
You gotta watch those packets as they often contain other ingredients.
Bottom line: read the labels and get the pure unadulterated stuff.

Like paper.  While it is a form of fiber, it's generally not recommended for human consumption. ;D

That too! Paper with its added chemicals doesn't taste all that good. ::)

Well...if you put crunchy peanut butter on it and some honey....mmmm, mmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmm ;D ;D
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1151 on: August 21, 2013, 12:59:43 PM »
My contribution to the "science" of nutrition:


Do I need to drink 8 glasses of water every day even if I drink other liquids? Will drinking so much water and liquids deplete the body of some minerals?

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« Reply #1152 on: August 21, 2013, 01:03:08 PM »
I love how "fruits" is represented by a pair of fig newtons.  Fig newtons are fruit and cake!
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« Reply #1153 on: August 21, 2013, 01:04:18 PM »
I love how "fruits" is represented by a pair of fig newtons.  Fig newtons are fruit and cake!

A (nearly) complete food!  ;D ;D
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« Reply #1154 on: August 21, 2013, 01:06:19 PM »
I love how "fruits" is represented by a pair of fig newtons.  Fig newtons are fruit and cake!

Well at least someone got my joke. Or maybe didn't. I dunno. I just like fig newtons :)
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« Reply #1155 on: August 21, 2013, 01:13:54 PM »
I just like fig newtons :)

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1156 on: August 21, 2013, 01:37:37 PM »
My contribution to the "science" of nutrition:


There is a good book coming out in January by Denis Minger. It's called "Death by Food Pyrimid"

 Death by Food Pyramid: How Shoddy Science, Sketchy Politics and Shady Special Interests Conspired to Ruin the Health of America  – January 1, 2014
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http://www.amazon.com/Death-Food-Pyramid-Interests-Conspired/dp/0984755128

You can search her name on you tube and watch several of her lectures.

Humans should not eat grains at all much less as the base of their diets.. They drive appetite, they are addictive due to opiate-like substances in them( probably one reason we started eating them), they are loaded with anti-nutireants, they cause gut/digestive damage and they are too high in carbs.

Probably the one biggest thing people can change in their diets to improve their health is to stop eating grains.
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« Reply #1157 on: August 21, 2013, 01:46:59 PM »
^Lol, literally seconds before I read that post I poured myself a bowl of cereal  ;D
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« Reply #1158 on: August 21, 2013, 01:47:29 PM »
Probably the one biggest thing people can change in their diets to improve their health is to stop eating grains.

This doesn't make sense because Japan has one of the highest, if not the very highest, life expectancy in the world today, and they eat a lot of rice.

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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1159 on: August 21, 2013, 01:53:09 PM »
3-4 servings of frui..er, I mean, Fig Newtons a day is how many? :P
I love how "fruits" is represented by a pair of fig newtons.  Fig newtons are fruit and cake!

Well at least someone got my joke. Or maybe didn't. I dunno. I just like fig newtons :)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1160 on: August 21, 2013, 01:54:30 PM »
Better eat the whole package, just to be safe. It's not like you can have too much fruit!  8)
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1161 on: August 21, 2013, 01:55:40 PM »
Better eat the whole package, just to be safe. It's not like you can have too much fruit!  8)

My physician would agree, but I don't care what he thinks. ;D  To the Newtons!
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« Reply #1162 on: August 21, 2013, 02:01:32 PM »
Probably the one biggest thing people can change in their diets to improve their health is to stop eating grains.

This doesn't make sense because Japan has one of the highest, if not the very highest, life expectancy in the world today, and they eat a lot of rice.

Rice is one of the less noxious grains, wheat is the worst. The Japanese know well that rice is fattening. They make no pretensions that it is health food. When they get chubby, they cut out the rice.
They also have fish consumption multiple times higher than in the USA and they eat less than half the sugar. They have lots of positives in their diet and just one or two negatives that they know to keep an eye on.

I have eaten dozens of meals with visiting Japanese due to a prior connection to Japan. It is clear to me that they are addicted to rice.. They are crazy for the stuff which anecdotally demonstrates to me the power of the addictive substances in all grains.  MMMMMM  More Rice please !!!

Also, the Japanese are a solidly homogeneous population. Traits that lend themselves to a longer life ( like being slender) can be inherited.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1163 on: August 21, 2013, 02:06:27 PM »
Better eat the whole package, just to be safe. It's not like you can have too much fruit!  8)

Ya ...no..Sorry...full stop

You should eat fruit very sparingly, mostly berries.. Fructose is nasty bad. Some fruits have good anti oxidants which are good, but you can get them from plants too without the big sugar hit.

Natural fruit in the days before agriculture were much smaller, very very fibrous and not nearly as sweet. We have engineered modern fruit to be soft and fluffy and very sweet..

Is no good.. Nyet !!!
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1164 on: August 21, 2013, 02:08:25 PM »
Better eat the whole package, just to be safe. It's not like you can have too much fruit!  8)

Ya ...no..Sorry...full stop

You should eat fruit very sparingly, mostly berries.. Fructose is nasty bad. Some fruits have good anti oxidants which are good, but you can get them from plants too without the big sugar hit.

Natural fruit in the days before agriculture were much smaller, very very fibrous and not nearly as sweet. We have engineered modern fruit to be soft and fluffy and very sweet..

Is no good.. Nyet !!!

I agree. Nyet to most fruit.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1165 on: August 21, 2013, 02:10:40 PM »
Nothing can make me turn away from fruit, much less their perfection in the form of fig newtons. My death-will-arrive-soon report from my doctor about my uncontrolled diabetes won't change my mind, why would I let you do so?  >:(
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1166 on: August 21, 2013, 02:33:43 PM »
Better eat the whole package, just to be safe. It's not like you can have too much fruit!  8)

Ya ...no..Sorry...full stop

You should eat fruit very sparingly, mostly berries.. Fructose is nasty bad. Some fruits have good anti oxidants which are good, but you can get them from plants too without the big sugar hit.

Natural fruit in the days before agriculture were much smaller, very very fibrous and not nearly as sweet. We have engineered modern fruit to be soft and fluffy and very sweet..

Is no good.. Nyet !!!

I agree. Nyet to most fruit.
High blood sugar is usually correlated with high blood pressure. It does not do a body good.
Between sugar from fresh fruit or highly processed junk, I'll choose fruit.  According to the food pyramid though, I am allowed several servings of Fig Newtons.
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Re: Nutrition and Diet
« Reply #1167 on: August 21, 2013, 02:42:55 PM »
Nothing can make me turn away from fruit, much less their perfection in the form of fig newtons. My death-will-arrive-soon report from my doctor about my uncontrolled diabetes won't change my mind, why would I let you do so?  >:(

Indeed.. It's a free will thing
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« Reply #1168 on: August 21, 2013, 03:01:08 PM »

Indeed.. It's a free will thing

Really I just disagree and don't have the interest or resources at hand to argue with you, so it's easier to eat my newtons in peace. Though they really are killing me. But then what isn't? :)
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« Reply #1169 on: August 21, 2013, 03:02:54 PM »

Indeed.. It's a free will thing

Really I just disagree and don't have the interest or resources at hand to argue with you, so it's easier to eat my newtons in peace. Though they really are killing me. But then what isn't? :)

Do you really have out of control diabetes?
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