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But the Pope's legate had the right and authority to excommunicate the EP?  Based on what?

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Are you not reading what I wrote or are you really just looking for a fight? I already said that I don't believe that the Papal legate had the authority to excommunicate the EP.

Then why do you give 1054 a the date you think we Orthodox left what you identify as the Catholic Church?  Wasn't it a 'PAPAL BULL of EXCOMMUNICATION' the not so good Cardinal slapped on the Altar of Hagia Sophia?

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I believe that when the EP had the audacity to "excommunicate" the Pope, he effectively removed himself from the Church.

What about the audacity of the Pope to even issue a papal bull to execommunicate another Patriarch without the consent or approval of the other Patriarchates? 

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Considering my reading of the Father if the Pope chose to excommunicate a Patriarch there would be no audacity invovled.
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But the Pope's legate had the right and authority to excommunicate the EP?  Based on what?

Orthodoc

Are you not reading what I wrote or are you really just looking for a fight? I already said that I don't believe that the Papal legate had the authority to excommunicate the EP.

Then why do you give 1054 a the date you think we Orthodox left what you identify as the Catholic Church?  Wasn't it a 'PAPAL BULL of EXCOMMUNICATION' the not so good Cardinal slapped on the Altar of Hagia Sophia?

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I believe that when the EP had the audacity to "excommunicate" the Pope, he effectively removed himself from the Church.

What about the audacity of the Pope to even issue a papal bull to execommunicate another Patriarch without the consent or approval of the other Patriarchates? 

Orthodoc
Considering my reading of the Father if the Pope chose to excommunicate a Patriarch there would be no audacity invovled.

Which is the reason you were challenged.  This is an Orthodox Catholic website so you expect to be called on the carpet when you come in and expound on false doctrine such as Papal Supremacy, and Infallibilly.  You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.  But expect to be challenged whenever you proclaim what we Orthodox Catholics believe as false doctrine.

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But the Pope's legate had the right and authority to excommunicate the EP?  Based on what?

Orthodoc

Are you not reading what I wrote or are you really just looking for a fight? I already said that I don't believe that the Papal legate had the authority to excommunicate the EP.

Then why do you give 1054 a the date you think we Orthodox left what you identify as the Catholic Church?  Wasn't it a 'PAPAL BULL of EXCOMMUNICATION' the not so good Cardinal slapped on the Altar of Hagia Sophia?

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I believe that when the EP had the audacity to "excommunicate" the Pope, he effectively removed himself from the Church.

What about the audacity of the Pope to even issue a papal bull to execommunicate another Patriarch without the consent or approval of the other Patriarchates? 

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Considering my reading of the Father if the Pope chose to excommunicate a Patriarch there would be no audacity invovled.

LOL.  Pope St. Victor, stinging from the rebuke of "the entire Church," found out otherwise.
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But the Pope's legate had the right and authority to excommunicate the EP?  Based on what?

Orthodoc

Are you not reading what I wrote or are you really just looking for a fight? I already said that I don't believe that the Papal legate had the authority to excommunicate the EP.

Then why do you give 1054 a the date you think we Orthodox left what you identify as the Catholic Church?  Wasn't it a 'PAPAL BULL of EXCOMMUNICATION' the not so good Cardinal slapped on the Altar of Hagia Sophia?

Orthodoc


I believe that when the EP had the audacity to "excommunicate" the Pope, he effectively removed himself from the Church.

What about the audacity of the Pope to even issue a papal bull to execommunicate another Patriarch without the consent or approval of the other Patriarchates? 

Orthodoc
Considering my reading of the Father if the Pope chose to excommunicate a Patriarch there would be no audacity invovled.

LOL.  Pope St. Victor, stinging from the rebuke of "the entire Church," found out otherwise.
I didn't say that it was always prudent for a pope to excommunicate a particular person.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.