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« on: November 13, 2002, 04:10:24 PM »

Has anyone heard of this individual?  He specializes in a most unusual form of Gregorian chant that on first hearing, would confuse one into thinking it was probably Serbian.  The ison is actually employed.

Serge, you would have the best input on this I am presuming.

Here are some comments from another list about this man and chant:

"We have proofs that the ison was used in France. In the 13th century, it was known in the Roman Church as Basilical Organum. One or several cantors sing a very long note when the melody is sung by others.

Marcel Peres recorded a lot of plainchant with ison. On the 1st of January, we sung mattins and had ison for all the responsories. It is nice when the cantors have the correct technique. Of course that could not be done with the "Methode de Solesmes", this is rather a
technique we use on big plainchant books. Solesmes imposed a "clean" version of a so called restored gregorian chant with its rythmical signs. Of course the gregorian chant of the Methode de Solesmes is nice, but it is certainly not the only way to sing plainsong. Quite nice in a benedictine abbey...........Marcel Peres is one of the best specialists of medieval music. I am proud to say he is a very good friend of mines and he enjoys singing at FSSP ceremonies.
He produced more than twenty records, all of them getting the highest rewards in France.  Some people do not like him as in is in favour of ornaments and micro intervals and they think he sings with an oriental way."


A sample of the music he conducts:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000027NUQ/qid

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2002, 02:47:01 PM »

SamB;

I just listened to the sample chants that you posted, and they really sound like our beautiful Greek Orthodox Chants. When the Ottomans invaded Constantinople in 15 century, many Byzantines moved to Europe and began the Renaissance movement. In all likelihood, these chants we are listening to are the influence of the Byzantines that took refuge in Europe and left their mark of Western church music.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2002, 05:34:13 PM »

Upon further reading I discovered this chant preceded the Gregorian chant with which today we are familiar.  This is first millenium chant, a sign of the Byzantine influence that was once in Italy.

It seems Marcel Peres works hand in hand at times with Lycourgos Angelopoulos (see the Mozarabic chant CD by the same two men), whose CD recording of the Divine Liturgy in Greek is the same one available online at the site of the GOA.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2003, 07:49:20 PM »

The Mozarabic chant is very eastern in its style, as well as the Bragan rite-Mass.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2003, 08:53:26 PM »


When the Ottomans invaded Constantinople in 15 century, many Byzantines moved to Europe and began the Renaissance movement.


hmmmmmmmm was Giotto, Cimabue, or later Botticelli, Byzantine?? Smiley


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