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Offline NewOrtho

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Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« on: December 05, 2009, 04:32:02 AM »
In Catholicism, there is the view that in certain sacraments, a non-priest/bishop can be the minister.  For example, deacons are able to baptize in ordinary circumstances, and laity and even non-Christians can baptize in emergency situations (i.e. imminent death).  A deacon can also be the witness of matrimony, since the man and woman are the ministers.  How does Orthodoxy view the ordinary ministers of the mysteries?  Can a deacon baptize?  Can lay or non-Christians baptize in extraordinary situations?  I know that Eastern Christianity views Matrimony differently, as far as it is something conferred by the priest (right?). 

Basically, who can and cannot celebrate the Mysteries of Orthodoxy?

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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 08:56:24 AM »
Each sacrament (apart from ordination) is done by a Presbyter. Ordinations are done by Bishops (at least 3 must participate). Baptism in emergency situations can be done by a lay person, but it must be a Christian. I've also heard that some monks, who weren't ordained, can confess.

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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2009, 12:07:37 PM »
Each sacrament (apart from ordination) is done by a Presbyter. Ordinations are done by Bishops (at least 3 must participate). Baptism in emergency situations can be done by a lay person, but it must be a Christian. I've also heard that some monks, who weren't ordained, can confess.

A slight correction to Heorhij's post: Ordination of a priest only requires one bishop, not three. Consecration of a bishop requires three bishops to participate.

Confessor-monks who are not ordained are indeed possible, and exist in reasonable numbers.
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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 01:39:10 PM »
A slight correction to Heorhij's post:

I'm sure you meant "Mike's post."
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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 01:40:31 PM »
I've also heard that some monks, who weren't ordained, can confess.

Confessor-monks who are not ordained are indeed possible, and exist in reasonable numbers.

Confess, yes - absolve, no.  IIRC, monks and nuns who have the blessing to hear confession then send the person to a priest (with whom they have an arrangement) for the prayers of forgiveness/absolution.

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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 01:41:16 PM »
Confessor-monks who are not ordained are indeed possible, and exist in reasonable numbers.
I have heard this before, but with the addition that a monk who is not a priest may often hear a confession, as a spiritual father, but only a priest can pray the prayers of absolution, which could be requested later. Is that correct?

moments later: should have waited a minute or two before posting! answer already there!
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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 01:53:50 PM »
moments later: should have waited a minute or two before posting! answer already there!

It's ok - that sort of thing happens to most of us (questions being answered as we type, and we don't realize it) at one point or another on here.
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Re: Who Performs the Sacraments/Mysteries?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 06:15:17 PM »
A slight correction to Heorhij's post:

I'm sure you meant "Mike's post."

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