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« on: December 03, 2009, 05:35:58 PM »

What can we make of this news?  Is the ROC warming up" to the Pope?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/moscow-patriarchate-publishes.html

Thursday, December 03, 2009
Moscow Patriarchate publishes a collection of texts by Benedict XVI
Moscow Patriarchate Publishes Book of Pope's Words

Called Proof of Possible Catholic-Orthodox Cooperation

ROME, DEC. 1, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The Russian Orthodox Church has published a book in Italian and Russian with texts from Benedict XVI on the culture of Europe.
This is the first time the Moscow Patriarchate is publishing a compilation of texts from a Pope. It is titled "Europe, Spiritual Homeland," and includes addresses by Joseph Ratzinger during the course of more than a decade.
The presentation of the book will take place Wednesday in Rome during a round table on "The Role of the Churches in the Cultural Integration of Europe."
The volume will be introduced by the chairman of the Department of External Affairs of the Moscow Patriarchate, Archbishop Hilarion Alfeyev.
"This book is an event of unprecedented historic scope in the millennial history of Catholics and Russian Orthodox," explained the editor of the book, Pierluca Azzaro. "But before and above all, it is a great testimony of love of Christ and between Christians. From this love springs -- should spring -- European culture in all its manifold expressions: a living culture, imbued with an authentically creative moral energy, all together geared to the building of a good future for all."
The editor reflected on the way the volume presents the continent.
"Europe -- the Pope, and Archbishop Hilarion of Volokolamsk in the beautiful introduction, tell us -- is a cultural continent that with its two wings, the Church of the East and of the West, rises above the narrow duality Russia-Western Europe," he said. "Europe is thus presented to our eyes as the common 'spiritual homeland,' according to the beautiful expression used by the Pope in his last journey to the Czech Republic."
Azzaro contended that only by jointly rediscovering and reaffirming this "vital dimension of Europe" will a "downward decline" be warded off.
A vice-chairman of the patriarchate's department of external affairs, Hieromonk Philip (Riabykh), said the book is a "testimony of the absolute identity of views and positions between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church in regard to modern social processes."
He added that it is "at the same time proof of the enormous possibility of Catholic-Orthodox cooperation."

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 05:39:08 PM »

IS OUTRAGE!!!  EVEN MOSCOW PATRIARCH IS ECUMENIST NOW! 























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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 06:13:36 PM »

IS OUTRAGE!!!  EVEN MOSCOW PATRIARCH IS ECUMENIST NOW! 

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 08:30:16 PM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 08:34:56 PM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.
I highly doubt that the book being published is about theology. Isn't more about the Christian heritage and culture of Europe? Futher, I can't see how this action means that Moscow is recognizing the Pope's role as Vicar of Christ. I mean, I wish that's what it meant, but I can't see how it could mean that, expecially considering Moscow's conservative approach to ecumenism.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 09:21:21 PM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.

I don't think this book is "giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls". I think it recognizes Europe's Christian heritage, and is trying remind Europe of that heritage in a day and age where atheism and Islam threaten to take over Europe. Don't blow it out of proportion. It's not a big deal.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 10:21:38 PM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.
It shows that the Pope is looking East.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 10:32:52 PM »

The title of this thread and the article from zenit are misleading (no surprise as far as zenit is concerned). What is being published is a book about the Spiritual Culture of Europe, not a compilation of Pontifical statements. If you wanted to write a book about the Spiritual Culture of the US, it would be completely phoney to exclude Evangelical Protestant influences simply because you held their sources to be heretical, but you wouldn't call the book a "compilation of US Evangelical Protestant statements". It is a book about the Spiritual Culture of the US which contains some US Evangelical Protestant statements.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 10:53:15 PM »

Seems the Vatican is returning the favour:

http://www.zenit.org/article-27732?l=english

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Pope Thanks Russian Orthodox for Book

Vatican Plans to Return the Gesture

VATICAN CITY, DEC. 3, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI is expressing gratitude to the Russian Orthodox Church and all those who collaborated in publishing a book with texts from the Pontiff on European culture.

The book, "Europe, Spiritual Homeland," marks the first time the Moscow Patriarchate is publishing a compilation of texts from a Pope. It contains addresses that Joseph Ratzinger wrote over the past decade regarding Europe.

The presentation of the work, which was published in Russian and Italian, took place Wednesday in Rome in connection with the Italian-Russian Civil Society Dialogue Forum. A message from the Holy Father, sent through his Secretariat of State, was read at the event.

It affirmed Benedict XVI's gratitude "for the devout and significant gesture, toward all those who have contributed, and for the sentiments that gave rise to it."

Pierluca Azzaro, professor of politics at the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan, and the book's editor, announced that the Vatican Publishing House now plans to publish a book by Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and of All Russia titled, "Liberty and Responsibility in the Search of Harmony" ("Liberta e Responsabilita alla Ricerca dell'Armonia).

The book will be presented next April at that university in Milan, in the presence of the chairman of the Department of External Affairs of the Moscow Patriarchate, Archbishop Hilarion Alfeyev of Volokolamsk.

At Wednesday's presentation, the Italian minister of culture, Sandro Bondi, affirmed that the newly published book shows how "the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are great sources of meaning, sources of the spiritual bread that man needs to live, so much more than material bread."

The Russian minister of culture, Mikhail Shvydkoi, said that "without the values of Christian humanism, Europe is lost."

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He added, "This book speaks to us of the importance of integrating into Europe the different ways in which one can and must honor the presence of God in society."

"Europe, Spiritual Homeland" affirms that "it is possible to honor God in society without the plurality of creeds and confessions of Europe becoming a reason for conflict," the Russian said.

Lorenzo Ornaghi, rector of the Sacred Heart university, pointed out that this volume indicates clearly the path to be followed so that a truly creative culture will again be able to make Europe flourish.

"Faith is the source of a living culture and of life, that which most corresponds with man's truest desires," he said.

Jesuit Father Milan Zust, secretary of the Catholic committee for cultural collaboration with Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches at the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said that the book is "a most important step for building that trust and mutual esteem that makes clear and limpid our common witness in Europe."

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 11:12:37 AM »

IS OUTRAGE!!!  EVEN MOSCOW PATRIARCH IS ECUMENIST NOW! 


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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 11:18:24 AM »

I highly doubt that the book being published is about theology.
Too bad. His Holiness writes excellent books.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 11:34:27 AM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.

Honestly, if you get this bent out of shape over the publishing of a book on the shared Christian heritage of Europe that includes some material by Pope Benedict XVI, you need to get off the internet (probably shut out most media alltogether) and get more comfortable with your Orthodox faith. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 11:38:57 AM »

I highly doubt that the book being published is about theology.
Too bad. His Holiness writes excellent books.
Agreed.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 06:13:44 AM »

I highly doubt that the book being published is about theology.
Too bad. His Holiness writes excellent books.
Agreed.

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 10:56:18 PM »

How do you think this makes me feel?  Here I am leaving the RCC and returning to Orthodoxy and a major Orthodox Patriarchate is publishing books by the Pope of Rome and thus giving some type of credence to his supposed role as a "universal pastor of souls".

Does this open support for the RCC's chief herarch somewhat scandalize those of us who seek a strong presentation of Orthodox truth (although with charity) from our chief sheper eds?  I understand that the "dialogue" between the RCC and the OCC is seen as important by some, but to others it is somewhat scandalous to some.

Honestly, if you get this bent out of shape over the publishing of a book on the shared Christian heritage of Europe that includes some material by Pope Benedict XVI, you need to get off the internet (probably shut out most media alltogether) and get more comfortable with your Orthodox faith. 

So if I have a problem with ecumenism then it is because I'm "spiritually immature" in your eyes?  Sounds an awful lot like what gays say to those who can't co exist with their "lifestyle" not being comfortable with their personal sexuality.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 11:05:41 PM »

Hey, you're the one who's having a hissy fit because of a book that says, "Hey, this Pope guy, who alot of people find intellectually stimulating, has said something on this and it is remarkably similar to what we have to say.  Here it is.  See, we're not just a bunch of crazy Russians!"

You're acting like the Patriarch Kirill is kissing the Pope's foot in the sanctuary of Trinity Cathedral.  All I'm saying is that maybe you should put things into perspective.
 
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 11:05:58 PM »

So if I have a problem with ecumenism then it is because I'm "spiritually immature" in your eyes?  Sounds an awful lot like what gays say to those who can't co exist with their "lifestyle" not being comfortable with their personal sexuality.

But this isn't ecumenism. It's a book about Europe's Christian heritage. It's a history book. To ignore Catholicism and it's role in Europe would be rather silly if not impossible.

Is the Moscow Patriarch not to speak to the Roman Pontiff at all about anything?
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