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Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« on: December 01, 2009, 08:44:30 PM »
Could anyone tell me what the Orthodox Churches relationship to the Polish National Catholic Church is?  I understand that they are very similar to Orthodoxy in their theology (except that they use a western liturgy and wafer communion, statues, etc..  Has their ever been an attempt at intercommunion with hem by any local Orthodox Church?
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Re: Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 08:32:56 PM »
There is none.  At one time there was an official Orthodox/PNCC Commission but it was dissolved.  Not sure why.  I suspect the PNCC had no desire to renounce their post-1054 but pre-Vatican I past, even while they reject the Western Councils after the Seven, IC, Papal Infallibility, Purgatory, etc.  They also have practices Orthodox don't approve of: married bishops, marriage after ordination, general absolution for adults without private confession, Sacred Heart devotion etc.  Also a large number of their priests are former RCC priests whose only problem with the RCC is their not allowing married priests, so probably not a big voice for unity with the Orthodox there.  I think one of their parishes did leave and join the AWRV.  St Augustine's in Denver?
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Re: Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 08:37:31 PM »
There is none.  At one time there was an official Orthodox/PNCC Commission but it was dissolved.  Not sure why.  I suspect the PNCC had no desire to renounce their post-1054 but pre-Vatican I past, even while they reject the Western Councils after the Seven, IC, Papal Infallibility, Purgatory, etc.  They also have practices Orthodox don't approve of: married bishops, marriage after ordination, general absolution for adults without private confession, Sacred Heart devotion etc.  Also a large number of their priests are former RCC priests whose only problem with the RCC is their not allowing married priests, so probably not a big voice for unity with the Orthodox there.  I think one of their parishes did leave and join the AWRV.  St Augustine's in Denver?

I don't think they were PNCC, but Anglican.  Their retired pastor, Fr. David blessed our parish with retiring here.  Memory Eternal!

I remember talking to Fr. Keiser about the PNCC, and yes, he was bewildered by what the problem was.  But he was sure the dissolution came from the PNCC side.
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Re: Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 09:05:11 PM »
I could be wrong.  Or perhaps they were Episcopal and went PNCC for a short stop-over before joining the AWRV?  It would be interesting to know what the Commission discussed and what the sticking points were.  I know with Rome the sticky wickets are all the former RCC priests that left, married, and became PNCC priests. 
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Re: Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 09:48:06 PM »
I could be wrong.  Or perhaps they were Episcopal and went PNCC for a short stop-over before joining the AWRV?

Possible, I don't know all the details.  There is someone from that parish at our parish, but he is back in Denver for the holidays.  If I remember, I'll ask him.

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  It would be interesting to know what the Commission discussed and what the sticking points were.  I know with Rome the sticky wickets are all the former RCC priests that left, married, and became PNCC priests. 
It is interesting that when the Greek Orthodox hierarchy failed in Norway, the now Nordic Catholic Church went to the PNCC.
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Re: Orthodox relations with the Polish National Catholic Church?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 04:15:14 PM »
In 1920 several Parishes in Poland were received into the Orthodox Church as WRO Parishes. More here.
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