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Offline VladCatholic

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« on: December 12, 2003, 01:30:47 PM »
I do have a question for the so-called Orthodox that claim to such a title.

  "Can one be saved outside your communion?"


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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2003, 01:45:44 PM »
I do have a question for the so-called Orthodox that claim to such a title.

  "Can one be saved outside your communion?"


  VladCatholic  ;D

 
 
Vlad are you a Catholic? In communion with JPII? IF so please lighten up.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2003, 01:55:17 PM »
I do have a question for the so-called Orthodox that claim to such a title.

  "Can one be saved outside your communion?"


  VladCatholic  ;D

 
 
Vlad are you a Catholic? In communion with JPII? IF so please lighten up.
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Vlad posted in reply to "the schismatics" that:
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I am a Roman Catholic and follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and reject communion with heretics and schismatics and also do not acknowledge the so-called papacy of John Paul II.

And also reject SSPV, sooo what does that make you again, Vlad??
Cuz I thought there was ONE Roman Catholic Church. (Under JPII)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2003, 02:21:00 PM »
It's good Mor providentially stopped the thread (of the same subject) in the CathoDox board! ;)

Because I felt soooo hot upon reading it that thereafter involuntarily yelled:  "WOW!"

A budding ROAC, in reverse?

He could be SSPX, SSPV, or some other sedev!

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2003, 02:49:42 PM »
I do have a question for the so-called Orthodox that claim to such a title.

  "Can one be saved outside your communion?"


  VladCatholic  ;D

 
 
Vlad are you a Catholic? In communion with JPII? IF so please lighten up.
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Vlad posted in reply to "the schismatics" that:
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I am a Roman Catholic and follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and reject communion with heretics and schismatics and also do not acknowledge the so-called papacy of John Paul II.

And also reject SSPV, sooo what does that make you again, Vlad??
Cuz I thought there was ONE Roman Catholic Church. (Under JPII)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks for posting that. I was beginning to be concerned that he was a Catholic. I had a sneeking suspicion he may just be pretending to be a Catholic.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2003, 02:57:58 PM »
Salvation is ultimately up to God only, but true life and illumination happens within Orthodox Christianity.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2003, 03:03:59 PM »
Now I know how EO's feel when ROACers post. Only this is worse!

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2003, 08:53:48 PM »
It all makes me laugh.  Legalism legalism legalism.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2003, 10:15:45 PM »
Dear VladCatholic,

One of our members, Seraphim Reeves, used to be SSPX and now is joining the Orthodox Church. I am sure he would be happy to answer your questions as he saw the light.  Why not send him a private message?

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2003, 10:40:06 PM »
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One of our members, Seraphim Reeves, used to be SSPX and now is joining the Orthodox Church.


Rather, a sect founded by former Russian Orthodox that claims to be THE Orthodox Church but is not in the Orthodox communion.

So except by this sect's self-definition, he isn't joining the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2003, 10:41:55 PM »
LOL

I know Serge, I was trying to provoke something... ;)
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2003, 11:57:33 PM »
LOL

I know Serge, I was trying to provoke something... ;)

Now if we could just attract a fire-and-brimstone Fundie and a sour-puss atheist to this site, our collection would be nearly complete.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2003, 12:06:25 AM »
Don't say that so loud Linus, Berean(fiftywhatever) might just hear you.  If not him, there are some rabid Calvinists over at CF that might come over.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2003, 12:44:49 AM »
Vicki, maybe they could put it on pay-per-view, or put it on Orthodox TV.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2003, 02:18:47 AM »
Forgive me for that last remark.  I guess we should pray for Vlad Catholic and Seraphim that they find the truth the path where God is leading them to.  

In some ways it is so much easier to reduce God to canons and rules and obeying them perfectly.  This can be so much easier than relationships (whether with God or our neighbor).  If you allow yourself to have a relationship with a person, you make yourself vulnerable to all that relationships bring.

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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2003, 09:43:30 AM »
Vicki you said .but best to fight off absurdity with laughter than rage at it. Less soul-destroying.  

And whilst we all do that we are also coming closer together , working in a quiet sort of way towards  a form of union.

I probably haven't expressed that very well - but while we laugh and chuckle about the absurdites with which we are presented, and with which we do not agree - we also find common ground and that can't be anything but good.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2003, 10:56:31 AM »
Well said, Vicki.  Well, Fr. did get up here this weekend.  We had Vespers last night and have liturgy this morning.  As much as I would love to have a resident priest so that we could have liturgy every week, I'm thankful to have what we do have.  When I first started looking into Orthodoxy, we didn't have any Orthodox presence here in Helena.  We have typica services the weeks we don't have a priest to serve liturgy.  

The hardest time for me to not have the services is Lent.  We don't get the pre-sanctifieds and we may only get Liturgy once or twice during Lent.  Fr. works a full-time job on top of being a priest, so he is not able to come here during Lent.  The retired priest (who is attached to the church there) from Billings comes up to serve if he can come.  He is in his 70's, not in the best of health, and usually comes by bus, so we are thankful when he can come.  

Orthodox churches have to start somewhere.  It takes a lot to get a mission going, and hopefully, we'll start to get this mission established enough that we can get our own priest.  It will happen in God's own time.  

To all the Orthodox on this list, have a blessed feast day for St. Herman of Alaska.  I am off to Hours and Liturgy (yes!) ;D

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2003, 09:34:17 PM »
I think that the best answer is to say that God only knows, He in his all merciful charity know that there are good and nouble men and women outside the mainstram Orthodox faith.

The problem is that there's not still a definitioon about when our communion ends or finish. I would say that Catholics, Non Chalcedonians, schismatics and some vagantes are somewhat very close to Orthodoxy it but I don't really know.

About the language and attitudes used by VladCath I doubt he supports Archbishop Lefebvre's group because Lefebvre always believed in the visible Church and the hierarchy and the Pope of course.

On the other side, Vlad reminds me very much of the Trent Union in Mexico. The Trent Union is the equivalent of the Russian Old Believers. They hold very old local rites (jaculatories, rubrics, etc) and defend them thus rejecting the more recent tridentine missals. They are extremely milenarist, they believe that the antichrist has taken the world and that the modern Roman Church is graceless and hijacked by the devil. They do not recognize any Bishop or Pope and believe that they and their 11 or 12 chapels are the only true catholic church.

Sadly they and their breakaway groups who are more radical and milenaritsic, face the same problems faced by the Old Believers and the Protestants. By rejecting visible hierarchy they have had to deny other sacraments.

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2003, 10:49:46 PM »
Its obvious to all that this VladCatholic does is takes his shot and then hides and see what the fall out will be.  Then we all fall for it.  VladCatholis - get a life.

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I do have a question for the so-called Orthodox that claim to such a title.

  "Can one be saved outside your communion?"


  VladCatholic  ;D

 
 

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2003, 11:01:42 PM »
LOL

I know Serge, I was trying to provoke something... ;)

Now if we could just attract a fire-and-brimstone Fundie and a sour-puss atheist to this site, our collection would be nearly complete.

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If this was a year or two ago, I could have been that "fire-and-brimstone Fundie".  :o
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2003, 01:36:17 AM »
LOL

I know Serge, I was trying to provoke something... ;)

Now if we could just attract a fire-and-brimstone Fundie and a sour-puss atheist to this site, our collection would be nearly complete.

Linus,

If this was a year or two ago, I could have been that "fire-and-brimstone Fundie".  :o

Been there myself, brother.

Hopefully you've lost the fire-and-brimstone and die but have retained the Fun.

Anyway, most of the Fundies I have known have been decent folks with a genuine zeal for the Lord. Now if we could just make Orthodox Christians out of 'em!
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