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I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #1 on: Today at 04:32:05 PM »
but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

It's the hats, isn't it? Eastern Orthodoxy loses so darn many potential converts to Oriental Orthodoxy because of that advantage. :(
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #2 on: Today at 04:36:29 PM »
I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What are the True Orthodox, precisely?
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:38:38 PM »
The True Orthodox are the people who refused to accept the New Calendar change in 1924. They strictly adhere to the Julian calendar.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #4 on: Today at 04:40:47 PM »
I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much? 
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #5 on: Today at 04:41:12 PM »
The True Orthodox are the people who refused to accept the New Calendar change in 1924. They strictly adhere to the Julian calendar.

The majority of Eastern Orthodox parishes use the Julian Calendar. But I assumed you weren't talking about us. What I meant is, Is there a particular schismatic synod or parish you mean?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are

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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #6 on: Today at 04:44:06 PM »
I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much?
The Oriental Orthodox have a "primitive" Christian basis such as they keep more of the Jewish laws. But the True Orthodox reject ecumenism (no meetings with the Pope etc).
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #7 on: Today at 04:45:56 PM »
Saint Mark of Ephesus met with the Pope. Is he guilty of "ecumenism"?
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #8 on: Today at 04:51:39 PM »
The True Orthodox are the people who refused to accept the New Calendar change in 1924. They strictly adhere to the Julian calendar.
Alot of the Slavic churches like the Russian church are still on the old calendar. So that is not enough reason to reject the canonical Eastern Orthodox churches.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #9 on: Today at 04:53:46 PM »
Saint Mark of Ephesus met with the Pope. Is he guilty of "ecumenism"?
(I'm still new to Orthodoxy) but I guess I could Compromise as long as there are no Joint prayer services.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much?
The Oriental Orthodox have a "primitive" Christian basis such as they keep more of the Jewish laws. But the True Orthodox reject ecumenism (no meetings with the Pope etc).

FWIW the Church has rejected Jewish dietary laws from early on. OO dietary customs are cultural not religious.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #11 on: Today at 05:30:11 PM »
I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much?
The Oriental Orthodox have a "primitive" Christian basis such as they keep more of the Jewish laws.
Which Mosaic ritual rule do you believe is more apostolic and should be followed by even gentiles Christians.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #12 on: Today at 05:48:03 PM »
Saint Mark of Ephesus met with the Pope. Is he guilty of "ecumenism"?
(I'm still new to Orthodoxy) but I guess I could Compromise as long as there are no Joint prayer services.

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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much?
The Oriental Orthodox have a "primitive" Christian basis such as they keep more of the Jewish laws. But the True Orthodox reject ecumenism (no meetings with the Pope etc).

The Ethiopian Church ticks both of your boxes here: not big on ecumenism as it pertains to Western confessions, keeps all of the dietary laws you like, etc.  I think you should be picking your jurisdiction based on who you believe has preserved the true Faith though.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\

What do you love about each?  What don't you care for so much?
The Oriental Orthodox have a "primitive" Christian basis such as they keep more of the Jewish laws. But the True Orthodox reject ecumenism (no meetings with the Pope etc).

The Ethiopian Church ticks both of your boxes here: not big on ecumenism as it pertains to Western confessions, keeps all of the dietary laws you like, etc.  I think you should be picking your jurisdiction based on who you believe has preserved the true Faith though.

I think in another post he said he was Jewish, so that may be a big part in the way he sees and computes things?   Not that I ought speak for him.  He could probably pick any Middle Eastern  jurisdiction though and the dietary customs are probably similar to Jewish dietary laws.  Though we do often serve bacon for breakfast at my Church for us younger whipper snappers.

But yeah, from the little I know of the Church, Ethiopian may be a uniquely nice fit for someone coming from a Jewish background
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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He could probably pick any Middle Eastern  jurisdiction though and the dietary customs are probably similar to Jewish dietary laws.

The Copts I know seem to eat a lot of pork.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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I love both churches I know that the TOC says that the Coptic are Monophysite, but I'm very attracted to the Coptic Church. Any thoughts?  :-\
So you probably already tried going to both services?

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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #17 on: Today at 09:02:40 PM »
Legend of the white cowl tells you that russian orthodox Church will be true until the end.
I read a vision of Last judgement and oriental orthodox were in deep trouble in my understanding.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
« Reply #18 on: Today at 09:04:45 PM »
People praying to God for true Church are led to Eastern orthodox Church.
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Re: Can't decide between Oriental Orthodox or True Orthodox
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Legend of the white cowl tells you that russian orthodox Church will be true until the end.
I read a vision of Last judgement and oriental orthodox were in deep trouble in my understanding.

The Legend of the White Cowl is a fraud based on another fraud (Donation of Constantine).
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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
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